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  1. fast lane's Avatar
    This goes to prove many things i stated ... certain carrier builds even though they are same name builds and YADA, YADA, YADA ..... remember like i stated certain carriers like ROGERS = Quality and time and effort into making sure the OS is the best they can provide for their customers.

    This OS is far superior then the Asian one..... don't ask me why as you may get an EAR full....
    Ok so I used to work for Nortel Networks and Sprint as an RF Engineer. My ears are open as to actual "facts" you have that support this. I can tell you that Sprint or any other Carrier do not have engineers that work on Manufacturer OS Code / firmware like you are implying. They do have a QA process but frankly they can simply feed back issues to RIM and wait for a further release from RIM and retest. Further, RIM does not want Carriers to tinker with their base code either. This could be destructive to the end-user experience and RIM does not want a carrier to "mess up" a releases core code (which would certainly hurt RIMs bottom line). Any release RIM gives the carrier for "review" could go final (RIM is satisfied with its QA process) -- but it is up to the carrier to approve it.

    Again, show me proof, not just subjective ideas. Have you done a binary delta on the code? That would be a good start. It would tell you if anything changed (even if the release # was the same).
    Last edited by fast lane; 07-06-09 at 01:22 PM.
    07-06-09 01:14 PM
  2. bcbold's Avatar
    I just updated the to the new Rogers OS (I'm on Rogers, so I didn't delete the vendor file). One thing I can attest to is a huge memory jump. I've always had memory problems (I think mostly because I've got a few apps on it, but not nearly as many as my wife has on her iPhone...that's one area that the Bold falls short in), but after installing the new OS a few hours ago, I saw my memory jump from 19 to 28 MB (although it fell to 26.5 very shortly). Still, on the last build I had (I think it was .262?), it would go from 19 to about 9 MB in less than a day, so this seems to be a big improvement.
    07-06-09 04:58 PM
  3. xamdam's Avatar
    Its very pleasing to see many getting better results over the asian version.

    Awesome, more people need to upgrade to .282 Rogers to see what it is like for them.
    07-06-09 07:13 PM
  4. xplode's Avatar
    Well theoretically a carrier could have made suggestions of modifications to the same version of software correct? Because according to what your saying rogers could have asked for certain modifications.
    07-06-09 07:27 PM
  5. pbflash's Avatar
    Well theoretically a carrier could have made suggestions of modifications to the same version of software correct? Because according to what your saying rogers could have asked for certain modifications.
    I don't think so. If RIM makes changes to the core OS it would get rebuilt with a new build number.
    07-06-09 07:33 PM
  6. bboy2143's Avatar
    Yep.. Battery life was way better than the one from .282 East Asia! Good job RIM!

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    07-06-09 08:59 PM
  7. dnitram's Avatar
    Seems like you have corrupted db files that you are carrying over from os to os.... try this thread
    http://forums.crackberry.com/f83/tho...-282-a-257888/

    I'll give it ONE more shot and let you know. I appreciate your help, but everything you've suggested, I've already done more than once.
    07-06-09 09:00 PM
  8. ACCC's Avatar
    Upgraded to .282 from the Vodaphone .266 build. Overall, there is a marked improvement in scrolling speed. Media player also appears to be more stable as I no longer experience the dreaded reboot when I skip media files. There also appears to be less memory leak. I used to run 30 mb free memory after a battery pull with .266 but I'm now at 45 - 48 mb. Battery life also appears to be marginally better than .266.
    07-06-09 09:13 PM
  9. dnitram's Avatar
    Seems like you have corrupted db files that you are carrying over from os to os.... try this thread
    http://forums.crackberry.com/f83/tho...-282-a-257888/
    KrisGT30,

    OK, I did it for the 4th time (2nd time to try the Rogers version). Only difference is that I used BBSAK and I didn't have my 8GB media card installed. This time it went well... BUT after inserting (the right way) the media card, it takes FOREVER for it to rescan the card (.247 and .266 don't take a fraction as long!). The time to display pictures is worse than watching paint drying on a wall and just about a show stopper. Also, in the motel room I'm in, I can tell you that .266 was significantly better with the signal (reception not as good as .266). I made an outline on the desk to be certain the location was the same. The only benefit that I can honestly see .282 has over .247 or .266 is the fact that an AT&T user can switch between 2G and 3G and that's all.

    I'll try it outside the hotel this week to see how it does, however, I do suspect I'll change back to .266 in a day or two. Sorry!
    07-07-09 12:43 AM
  10. h3rb's Avatar
    going to install this tonight, i cant wait
    07-07-09 01:00 AM
  11. chriseng's Avatar
    Complete list here:
    pastebin.com/m7b974a50

    In short, the vast majority of the difference is that certain language resources appear only in one release or the other. For example:

    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__ar.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__ca.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__cs.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__eu.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__gl.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__he.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__hu.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_CSL/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__id.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_CSL/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__ja.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_CSL/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__ko.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__nl.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__pl.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__pt.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__pt_BR.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__ru.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_CSL/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__th.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__tr.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_CSL/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__zh_CN.cod
    Only in 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_CSL/Java: net_rim_secureemail_resource__zh_TW.cod

    The only files that appear in both releases where the file contents differ are as follows:

    Files 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_CSL/PkgDBCache.xml and 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/PkgDBCache.xml differ
    Files 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_CSL/UMTS/rim9000.sfi and 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/UMTS/rim9000.sfi differ
    Files 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_CSL/specification.pkg and 9000-v4.6.0.282_P4.0.0.235_Rogers/specification.pkg differ

    The CSL version of rim9000.sfi is 13289760 bytes and the Rogers version is 17819088 bytes. That seems like a pretty significant difference. So while all of the Java-based packages are essentially the same, maybe the difference in the .sfi file accounts for the different behaviors that people are observing. Anyone know exactly what is in the .sfi file?

    I haven't installed the Rogers build yet myself -- this was an exercise to figure out whether or not I should bother. :>
    07-07-09 09:46 AM
  12. bmwmpower's Avatar
    installed Rogers .282 last night. Runs well. Browser is noticably quicker. (jumped from .247) pics do load faster. maybe it is that they're cached and don't actually load quicker because the first time loading took forever--one pic at a time. every time after that was really fast.
    07-07-09 10:34 AM
  13. capitaaah's Avatar
    Installed rogers .282 last night. Browser seems a little snappier. App mem has jumped from 35mb to 49mb free after a batt pull. This is coming from east asia .266 beta. Happy so far.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    07-07-09 10:44 AM
  14. dnitram's Avatar
    KrisGT30,

    OK, I did it for the 4th time (2nd time to try the Rogers version). Only difference is that I used BBSAK and I didn't have my 8GB media card installed. This time it went well... BUT after inserting (the right way) the media card, it takes FOREVER for it to rescan the card (.247 and .266 don't take a fraction as long!). The time to display pictures is worse than watching paint drying on a wall and just about a show stopper. Also, in the motel room I'm in, I can tell you that .266 was significantly better with the signal (reception not as good as .266). I made an outline on the desk to be certain the location was the same. The only benefit that I can honestly see .282 has over .247 or .266 is the fact that an AT&T user can switch between 2G and 3G and that's all.

    I'll try it outside the hotel this week to see how it does, however, I do suspect I'll change back to .266 in a day or two. Sorry!


    I've had about all the fun I can handle from one OS, namely BOTH versions of .282 Like I said before, CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THAT ARE ON .282 AND ARE HAPPY! After having done this FOUR TIMES, that's it! It's enough to make me go BUY A IPHONE! Between the poor RF signal reception to the slow show time for pictures, I'M HAPPILY BACK ON .266 AND VERY HAPPY!!! Why do we all beat ourselves to death trying to get the very latest operating systems anyway? My boss has a Bold and is on the original AT&T with the original operating system and raves about his Bold ALL THE TIME! This may have been the last update that I do for a long time (and it's really the first that I was NOT HAPPY WITH)... I've got work to do, a family and a LIFE! What am I doing this all for? Am I NUTS? (Please don't answer that!!!) Hey folks, the Bold is a GREAT phone and it's hard to improve on that!! I think I'll just enjoy it for a while and use the spare time that I'm not using to upgrade OS and have a beer, or maybe a LOT OF BEERS!! Good evening!
    07-07-09 03:23 PM
  15. joemecu's Avatar
    THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ASIAN BUILD AND ROGERS
    If this is true, then why does the Escalating volume for an alarm work on the CSL release, but not on the Rogers release? It can't be hardware, as it works on one, and not the other.

    This is after several wipes, and with/without 3rd party applications installed. Either way, I've found myself back at .266, yet again.

    Everything else about this release is great, but I depend on the alarm for home, and travel purposes.
    07-07-09 06:28 PM
  16. Krisgt30's Avatar


    I've had about all the fun I can handle from one OS, namely BOTH versions of .282 Like I said before, CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THAT ARE ON .282 AND ARE HAPPY! After having done this FOUR TIMES, that's it! It's enough to make me go BUY A IPHONE! Between the poor RF signal reception to the slow show time for pictures, I'M HAPPILY BACK ON .266 AND VERY HAPPY!!! Why do we all beat ourselves to death trying to get the very latest operating systems anyway? My boss has a Bold and is on the original AT&T with the original operating system and raves about his Bold ALL THE TIME! This may have been the last update that I do for a long time (and it's really the first that I was NOT HAPPY WITH)... I've got work to do, a family and a LIFE! What am I doing this all for? Am I NUTS? (Please don't answer that!!!) Hey folks, the Bold is a GREAT phone and it's hard to improve on that!! I think I'll just enjoy it for a while and use the spare time that I'm not using to upgrade OS and have a beer, or maybe a LOT OF BEERS!! Good evening!
    Im sorry youve had all this trouble. Honestly I do not know why everyone's blackberry reacts differently to different os's. This is really prominant in the storm and I guess the same issues carry over somewhat to the bold. For myself 282 has seen the best results. I assume its because everyone utilizes their blackberries differently. My own brother just bought a bold and his battery life on .266 is horrendous. Good luck and I would hold out until official releases from now on if I were you. It really isnt worth the headache nor the wasted time.
    07-07-09 06:36 PM
  17. xamdam's Avatar
    I do, however, notice one thing on the version of 282 from Rogers. The volume isn't as high as on 266.
    I noticed this a little as well, but i still can hear people really well at 90% volume level, just it does seem a little lower then .266, maybe this is a tweak to help in better reception as .282 has way better reception then .266 i find. I have not have had a lot of failed calls or dropped calls on .282 like maybe 5 so far sicne having it installed a few days back, but with .266 i would get at least 3-4 a day.
    07-07-09 09:23 PM
  18. thejgeffect's Avatar
    I haven't had one dropped call since I got my Bold two weeks ago and that was/is .167/.282. As opposed to my iPhone which was every call.
    07-07-09 09:37 PM
  19. xamdam's Avatar
    I haven't had one dropped call since I got my Bold two weeks ago and that was/is .167/.282. As opposed to my iPhone which was every call.
    I live in a low signal area 1-2 bars, so its can be expected where i live, i mean my house not the city.

    With .266 it was bad, but with .282 it is awesome.
    07-07-09 09:48 PM
  20. jemelanthony's Avatar
    And holding the menu key is now the app switcher

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    07-07-09 09:55 PM
  21. thejgeffect's Avatar
    And holding the menu key is now the app switcher

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Nice find.
    07-07-09 09:57 PM
  22. eskimochaos's Avatar
    And holding the menu key is now the app switcher

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Been that way since .247

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    07-07-09 10:04 PM
  23. wirelessgal's Avatar
    A few people have complained about the volume being lower since they upgraded to .282. Are you guys referring to the loud speakers or the earpiece call volume?
    07-08-09 12:34 PM
  24. vbev84's Avatar
    Well I was down loading the rogers .282 os last night, just when it was about to finish on my dm an error message came up "fatal error", etc.etc. Well I took my phone to att and rthey said my phone was dead and because I bought it an an authorized dealer my warranty was null. Now I'm hot so I called att and they helped me out. I get a warranty replecement phone and all is good. But man what a crock of **** this was @ the store. Soery just getting my 2 cents out there and look out for the rogers os down load.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    07-08-09 12:41 PM
  25. weblou's Avatar
    A few people have complained about the volume being lower since they upgraded to .282. Are you guys referring to the loud speakers or the earpiece call volume?
    I find the volume to be the same like the .266 b4 I went to the .282. One thing<, I don't get an echo any more (some times i use to hear my echo on the .266) but i only used .282 for one day. so far so good
    07-08-09 12:55 PM
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