- I've had much better luck than 1 in 10, but I'm not posting pictures of my daughter here, even with her face pixelated. Yet since you have no such qualms, why not post a close up of your daughter's face taken from a foot away, and then with a straight face tell everyone again how the 9900 camera is an "improvement"?
Don't worry, you won't have to pixelate her face -- the 9900 will blur it just fine.
Edit- remember the photos upload here at 1/3 of the full size and quality.Last edited by belfastdispatcher; 09-07-11 at 10:31 AM.
kwalia71 and satanberry like this.09-07-11 10:28 AMLike 2 - Why are you removing the EXIF info from the pictures? The only way to know what camera and settings took the picture is to leave it in.09-07-11 10:35 AMLike 0
- Wow ... I didn't think I would get this much controversy out of one article and my own observations and thoughts.
There are two school of thoughts here....both with easy solutions.
You either like the camera and all if fine.
You don't like the camera and for this you make a decision not to purchase the phone. Fair enough. Solution = don't buy the phone.
Easy!
Picture samples will follow when I get a chance to upload them to my photo hosting site.mud314 likes this.09-07-11 10:41 AMLike 1 - I'm not removing anything, I just follow the upload steps in the forum. The maximum upload size is 500kb, the photo size is 1.64mbnso more then 1mb is missing from the picture you see in my post.09-07-11 10:43 AMLike 0
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For me a camera that I don't have to sit there and focus is the way to go, I am impatient and not that great of a photographer. I tried my photography phase a few years back....I bought a nice expensive camera that was used maybe three times for taking actual photographs.
Thanks for sharing !!!belfastdispatcher and [email protected] like this.09-07-11 10:43 AMLike 2 - Wow ... I didn't think I would get this much controversy out of one article and my own observations and thoughts.
There are two school of thoughts here....both with easy solutions.
You either like the camera and all if fine.
You don't like the camera and for this you make a decision not to purchase the phone. Fair enough. Solution = don't buy the phone.
Easy!
Picture samples will follow when I get a chance to upload them to my photo hosting site.09-07-11 10:46 AMLike 0 - Wow...you took those pics w/the 9900's camera? I have to say those are very impressive pictures for being a "downgrade".
For me a camera that I don't have to sit there and focus is the way to go, I am impatient and not that great of a photographer. I tried my photography phase a few years back....I bought a nice expensive camera that was used maybe three times for taking actual photographs.
Thanks for sharing !!!
Again, i want to stress that over 1mb is missing from the pictures as the upload limit is 500kb.09-07-11 10:48 AMLike 0 -
- Nice job OP....You had to stir up controversy....JK.
I messed with the 9930, and the camera @ a VZW store before purchasing the 9810.
I was totally satisfied, and actually quit impressed w/the pix. Even the ones I took of the display verbiage tag.
I, too, rely on "close up" text pix from time to time and the 9930 took great pix, I thought.
The only reasons I have the 9810 and didn't wait for the 9900 on ATT is:
-I like the bigger screen
-9900 is nowhere in sight
-the 9810 was $50
I'm actually glad I didn't have an option for both. I'd probably still be deciding.
Conclusion: If there is something about a device you just can't live without.....get another device.
My wish for device: A 9900 slider. AND, the EDoF camera would be an excellent component for this "ultimate" BB09-07-11 11:25 AMLike 0 - Dude.....good job. I was sooooooo hoping someone would post a snap shot of something like this.
As I mentioned in a prior post, I took pix like this from a 9930 in the 1st try using close up or macro mode....(can't remember exactly)
I can't wait to read other comments to this post.
Thanks belfast!!!!09-07-11 11:30 AMLike 0 - EDoF is not a down grade in quality at all. Its better in some situations and worse in others. It goes progressively more out of focus as you get closer to the subject from approx 1 metre. But if you have 3/4 people at differnt distances, ie group shot, then all will be in focus with EDoF, but auto focus would try to focus on the one in the middle of the picture and the rest would be slightly out of focus. Simply knowing the limitations of both EDoF and AutoFOcus will enable you to minimise the unwanted effects and maximise the positive ones.
If you take lots of close ups then maybe it's not for you, but lots of action shots of the kids running around then brilliant. For most people it will be fine.09-07-11 11:52 AMLike 2 -
I'm not pointing a finger at you but I bet if you follow some of the close-up tips provided in the forums and gave it another try you'd come up with equally impressive photos.
We all know for close-ups the phone does not compare to a 5mp AF. Buuuuuuuuuut, if used properly its also not so terrible, and can still be used to 'scan' and 'forward' text documents... I know because I have a 9900, and I do use it from time to time for this purpose - its not as good as my 9700 was, but its certainly not terrible.
I will say this though, my 9900 takes beautiful photos of faster moving objects (things on side of road, buildings, animals, sports, etc.) So the edof has its advantages over the AF as well.
Truth be told, if the 97xx had edof and we were all used to its great motion, always in focus abilities, and then the 99xx had AF, we'd all be complaining about lag and blurry birthday photos - lol... Just sayin. Both types of cameras have their advantages.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com09-07-11 12:01 PMLike 0 - Dude this is the best post ever! I have the Bold 9900 and out of all the BlackBerry phones i have had this one kills them all. I have taken many pictures with the Bold and have no complaints what so ever! It takes great pictures (for a phone of course)!! If i want amazing pictures I'll use my Sony 10mp camera cause you know thats what it was made for but infortunately no BBM, phone calls or emails on it! Once again thank you for the great post explaining the differences. I think this should be a CrackBerry blog post!!!09-07-11 12:08 PMLike 0
- I am quickly learning that AF only matters up close.....I saw a video of Steve Litchfield comparing the EDoF camera on the Nokia E7 and the AF camera on the Nokia N8 and in video mode, the EDoF DESTROYED (and I mean *destroyed on every level*) the video from the AF model.
So everyone, if video is important, EDoF is far superior. I recall with my 9700's, Nexus One and Torch 9800 when taking videos, it would mess things up...but EDoF is fantastic for that.
For you sharpshooters out there, look, I am 100% not going to carry a camera with me, too many things to carry, but if my JOB required me taking pictures of something, then by all means, I probably should, or I suck at my job.
The EDoF camera does a fantastic job. There is enough proof in here to provide me comfort in the abilities of the camera. Now I/we simply need to learn how to use it better.
End of story.kwalia71 likes this.09-07-11 12:17 PMLike 1 - Great post
I actually prefer this camera to my 9520 as it takes pictures so much faster and smoother.
The auto focus was great but as you said in your initial post, if the object in focus movesn the picture is useless.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com09-07-11 12:18 PMLike 0 - (sorry i did not read all 7 pages so maybe this is already written).
the OP gives a very interesting beleivable explanation.
unfortunately it's plain NOT TRUE.
'Continuous Focus' means that the camera is mechanically able to adjust focus, and the software is directing the camera to contiusly focus so as soon as you press the shutter button it can take the picture right away without additional lag.
this feature is available on many cameras.
what the 9900/9930 have is a 'fixed focus' lens, it cannot focus. it's just designed in a way to be focused on almost any distance, so there is no need to focus.
that is great for anything over a few feet, but from close up, it will not focus, no matter what you do.
many posters commented that you can move a few feet a way and then zoom in, that makes sense (though I did not try it myself). but the OP is still untrue.
mgraystuff and chiefbroski like this.09-07-11 12:22 PMLike 2 - There has been talk about the camera on the new device. I recently replied in another post but I felt the subject and my response deserved its own little thread.
I've read some concern about how the removal of the autofocus feature on the new devices is somehow a downgrade in the camera. I made the analogy that people don't and shouldn't only by phones for the camera eluding to the fact pocket cameras don't have telephone call capabilities.
Total Lag = Autofocus Lag + Shutter Lag
AF lag is not Shutter lag
Here are a couple of links for you to learn the difference between AF lag and shutter lag:
ImpulseAdventure - Shutter Lag & Startup Time Comparison
AF Lag and Shutter Lag
First of all, to say that EDoF cameras "focus continuously" it would imply that the focal length can be changed which is NOT the case. EDoF cameras employ a fixed focus system = the focal length cannot be changed. Therefore, no "continuous focusing" and hence no AF.
which is best for still subjects. The autofocus mode as I just provided an example for is susceptible to focus errors for fast moving subjects or subjects that move before the shutter is fully pressed. Autofocus cannot anticipate subject motion. Auto focus is great when you have a perfectly still subject. The focusing requires a focus lock before the photograph can be taken. This is what people on their 9870 or os 6 devices notice when taking pictures. That slight freeze ....then "click" when the image is taken.
there are many, many kinds of AF systems. Just want to point out that AF is used for shooting fast moving objects as well.
I'm not picking bones here. I know that the 9780 is not capable of shooting fast moving objects because although it has a AF camera, it is poor in performance due to size and budget constraints. But it is a FALLACY to say that AF cannot shoot fast moving objects just because the 9780 AF camera fails to do so.
Check your 9780 ... in camera options go to "Autofocus" tou will see there is continuous listed first then "single shot".
The single shot is what has been removed.
I'll bet you a dollar that most people didn't even realize they have been shooting continuous focus all this time with their 9780 but are now making an issue out of a feature that they never used not being available...ie the "single shot" focus. Continuous focus was always an option on the 9780 .
Most people though barely used it and I'll bet never knew it was there.
The difference is this: In continuous AF mode, the focus is constantly readjusting depending on light conditions and focal points as I pan the 9780 camera around me without me pressing a single button. In single-shot AF mode, the camera will not focus on any thing as you move it around. It will autofocus only at the point you click the trackpad for a snapshot.
So, back to the cup. In continuous AF mode, I'll just point the camera at it, wait for it to focus automatically, then take a snapshot. In single-shot mode, I'll also point the camera at it, except this time the cup does not come into focus until I press my trackpad for a shot.
Most people don't even use the scene modes by the way ... believe me ... they help ... I can't tell you the number of times I've been a rock concerts and see people snapping images of the stage with a flash when they are 60 feet away from the stage! That's what night or party scene modes are for. Flash at that distance is going to illuminate the head of the guy standing in front of you...not the image. Get to know your scene modes for better images and don't blame the camera. I am veering off topic so my apologies.
Bank on point.....
(Not Nikon�s focussing system though but they just called it the same). Those with Canon cameras notice this referred to as AI Servo focusing.
Continuous focussing works by predicting where the subject will be slightly in the future based on an estimation of the subject velocity using focus distance and movement. The camera then focuses at this predicted distance in advance to account for the shutter lag (which is the delay between pressing the shutter button and the start of the exposure as we see in autofocus shots in the 9780). This greatly increases the probability of correct focus for moving subjects.
Try putting your own hand 2-3 inches away from your 9900 camera. Does it focus? No. So is it in continuous focusing mode? No.
Now do that in continuous focus and chances are you have a clear shot. Now, drop the preview picture setting down to as low as possible (I believe you can turn it right off on the 9900) and then you can snap away even quicker!
I shoot photography as an advanced hobby. I can tell you that even when shooting still subjects I utilize continuous focus (this is a $2,000 camera body) just in case I get some movement.
So to answer your question...you are not getting an inferior camera. With all due respect, people just need to know how to use the camera. As the old saying goes, the cost of the gear doesn't make you a better photographer...it is what you do with the equipment you have that does.
By the way, my $2,000 camera still doesn't make telephone calls or accept incoming email or BBM messages.
The excuse has been used many times before yes ... that other devices offer better cameras. Oh well ... the buyer needs to realize what he/she is buying the device for. Will they be buying it for the RIM reliability, security and fastest push services in the industry or are they buying it for entertainment purposes?
I hope this clears the air.
I have taken great shots with my 9900 .. clear and crisp ... arguably better than the 9780 on which I too used continuous focus extensively.
Learn when to use the proper scene modes and don't sweat the absence of "autofocus" or single shot focus as was known on the 9780. The camera is still focussing!! It is just focussing differently.
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Now, the 9900 camera can be argued to be either superior or inferior to the 9780's.
If I need to take macro shots, the 9900 is inferior to the 9780.
If I need to take fast moving shots, the 9900 is superior to the 9780.
And the list goes on.
End.09-07-11 12:24 PMLike 9 - Many Thanks! I actually posted a Q about this issue on a Thread I created yesterday.
But stilllll, Y try to snap a Picture with Text and the "Text" or "Close Up" modes still give me blurry images, have played with the Light and still NoGo.
Back with my 9650 it worked like a charm because text would come out so crisp.
Anyhow, I guess I can live with not being able to take pictures of Documents or close up paragraphs... I mean, you can still read some of it.
Many thanks for the Explanation it really helped me understand what was going on.
Brgds!09-07-11 12:42 PMLike 0 - 09-07-11 12:50 PMLike 0
- Many Thanks! I actually posted a Q about this issue on a Thread I created yesterday.
But stilllll, Y try to snap a Picture with Text and the "Text" or "Close Up" modes still give me blurry images, have played with the Light and still NoGo.
Back with my 9650 it worked like a charm because text would come out so crisp.
Anyhow, I guess I can live with not being able to take pictures of Documents or close up paragraphs... I mean, you can still read some of it.
Many thanks for the Explanation it really helped me understand what was going on.
Brgds!
Just took these now in the car, not at a desk with a steady hand.09-07-11 12:51 PMLike 4
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