1. Brnkvc's Avatar
    I read an interesting article that puts forth the following extremely depressing possibility:

    "Yet it is possible that the device pictured on CrackBerry.com is a T-Mobile Germany unit running an English version of the BlackBerry OS"

    To read the article, hit the link below:

    BlackBerry Bold '9700:' T-Mobile USA's First 3G BlackBerry? - Network World

    AHHHHHH!!! Is this possible? Probable? Inevitable?
    08-13-09 09:51 AM
  2. fsshariq's Avatar
    Could be!..but from what ive seen in the past the tmo Europe logo usually has some extra dots in the beginning of it and the tmo USA logo does not. One can only speculate atm!
    08-13-09 10:35 AM
  3. TallyHo's Avatar
    ^^^^^ What he said.
    08-13-09 10:42 AM
  4. PDM's Avatar
    It is not a T-Mobile Germany phone as it has a QWERTY keyboard; otherwise it would be a QWERTZ keyboard.

    8800 and Bold never had the "extra dots". Just looked at 8900 and it has two "extra dots" before the T (on the back of the phone). I'm a tmo European consumer.

    The phone pictured in the blogs also has no "extra dots".

    T-Mobile BlackBerry 9700 Glimpsed in the Wild! | CrackBerry.com


    Why not ask Kevin if the person carrying the T-Mob branded 9700 had a heavy German accent or not...?


    Edit : Forgot to mention: Aren't the 3G bands in Europe are different from T-Mobile USA's????
    Last edited by PDM; 08-13-09 at 11:02 AM. Reason: Edit
    08-13-09 10:47 AM
  5. Brnkvc's Avatar
    Would be quite a relief if ya'll are right, although it makes me wonder what the person who wrote the article's knowledge base was?
    08-13-09 12:57 PM
  6. fsshariq's Avatar
    well there have been several comments made, by PG to be specific, that claim that both tmo and at&t are testing the devices and trying to get it pushed out asap! so ill put my money on it being a tmo US 9700 sir! But that's only because it's coming from some reliable sources since PG is an AT&T field tester!
    08-13-09 01:32 PM
  7. TaeKwonDonkey's Avatar
    the info was in English though and I can understand why TMO would want another blackberry, especially one with a decent keyboard
    08-13-09 02:04 PM
  8. Raptor464's Avatar
    I'm going to bet that was a T-mo Germany 9700 that was spotted. I have doubts that we will see in on T-mo USA anytime soon.
    08-13-09 05:10 PM
  9. jakrip's Avatar
    I looked at my pearl with the t mobile logo on it and it is the same. T mobile will have some version of this phone so I am not worried or switching carriers.
    08-13-09 06:10 PM
  10. PDM's Avatar
    I'm going to bet that was a T-mo Germany 9700 that was spotted. I have doubts that we will see in on T-mo USA anytime soon.
    So, how would you explain the QWERTY keyboard and 3G (as per my post earlier)??


    Edit :
    UMTS / HSDPA devices operate in UMTS frequency bands 850/1900/2100 or 850/1700/2100 MHz:

    * 2100 (downlink) / 1900 (uplink) for Europe and Asia (usually referred simply as W-CDMA 2100)
    * 1900 / 850 (independently, for both the uplink and downlink) for America (e.g. AT&T)
    * 2100 (downlink) / 1700 (uplink) for America (e.g. T-Mobile)
    * 850 for Australia (Telstra NextG)

    Perhaps, a European 3G phone could partially function on T-Mobile USA's network i.e. downlink. But, uplink would fail for sure.
    Which leaves the Q would it even establish a 3G connection then...?
    Last edited by PDM; 08-13-09 at 06:28 PM.
    08-13-09 06:18 PM
  11. cold war kid's Avatar
    As I posted in a different thread, you needn't worry. The T-Mobile branded 9700 that was spotted is in fact a T-Mobile USA device.

    That is in fact a US version. There is a subtle difference between the T-Mobile USA logo, and the T-Mobile EU logo.

    T-Mobile USA has 1 little square in front of the "T"
    T-Mobile EU has 3 little squares in front of the "T"

    You can notice the difference in the pictures below of the T-Mobile USA branded 9700, and the T-mobile Germany branded Bold.




    Also, as others have stated, a German 9700, would have a QWERTZ board not a QWERTY.
    08-14-09 02:26 AM
  12. Brnkvc's Avatar
    As I posted in a different thread, you needn't worry. The T-Mobile branded 9700 that was spotted is in fact a T-Mobile USA device.

    That is in fact a US version. There is a subtle difference between the T-Mobile USA logo, and the T-Mobile EU logo.

    T-Mobile USA has 1 little square in front of the "T"
    T-Mobile EU has 3 little squares in front of the "T"

    You can notice the difference in the pictures below of the T-Mobile USA branded 9700, and the T-mobile Germany branded Bold.




    Also, as others have stated, a German 9700, would have a QWERTZ board not a QWERTY.
    Nice post. I learn something everyday in these forums.
    08-14-09 10:14 AM
  13. fsshariq's Avatar
    I have been doing some research and even though i too observed and agreed with the "extra dots" difference in logos, some tmo Europe phones have the logo without the extra dots, same as the one here in the US. Therefore, that observation isn't 100% reliable but there is a high probability that the 9700 picture was a tmo US device since tmo US are the ones that usually use the logo w/o the extra dots. Here are some examples:



    08-14-09 10:52 AM
  14. ncbuckeye's Avatar
    If I'm not mistaken TMO USA tested the Bold also but never released it. So until someone with some "inside" information confirms it we really don't know.
    08-14-09 11:27 AM
  15. godzilla07's Avatar
    If I'm not mistaken TMO USA tested the Bold also but never released it. So until someone with some "inside" information confirms it we really don't know.
    Yes, I believe that's true. I wish to this day that T-Mobile picked up the Bold. 3G trumps UMA any day for me. T-Mobile could have sold the Bold as the 3G BlackBerry and the 8900 as the BlackBerry for everybody else that doesn't have 3G. Oh well, the Driftwood will finally be the BlackBerry that I'll keep for a while.
    08-14-09 03:09 PM
  16. cold war kid's Avatar
    If I'm not mistaken TMO USA tested the Bold also but never released it.
    Say what?!?!?!?

    I never knew that. I'm not gonna lie, that makes me kind of..... angry. BAD move on T-Mobile's part to not have released the Bold.
    08-15-09 09:44 AM
  17. rah33zy's Avatar
    Say what?!?!?!?

    I never knew that. I'm not gonna lie, that makes me kind of..... angry. BAD move on T-Mobile's part to not have released the Bold.
    if I remember correctly I think it was because ATT held onto the exclusivity rights to the Bold, and basically Tmo gave up because they didn't want to fork out the money for the rights. I think....
    08-17-09 11:54 PM
  18. mekmek86's Avatar
    I have been doing some research and even though i too observed and agreed with the "extra dots" difference in logos, some tmo Europe phones have the logo without the extra dots, same as the one here in the US. Therefore, that observation isn't 100% reliable but there is a high probability that the 9700 picture was a tmo US device since tmo US are the ones that usually use the logo w/o the extra dots. Here are some examples:



    This wouldn't surprise me, Europe seems to always have the leg-up when it comes to the latest mobile tech.......I think that's something iPhone has changed forcing the other carriers to invest in better devices to compete.
    08-18-09 11:25 AM
  19. DaPhoneking's Avatar
    This wouldn't surprise me, Europe seems to always have the leg-up when it comes to the latest mobile tech.......I think that's something iPhone has changed forcing the other carriers to invest in better devices to compete.
    They've been doing that LONG before the iPhone....
    08-18-09 08:54 PM
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