1. grahamf's Avatar
    PINs are eight characters long (try adding a 9 character pin to your contacts)
    PINs are hexidecimal (Base 16, or 0-9 +A-F)
    All P'9981 PINs start with 2AA
    That leaves five characters to identify each device
    16^5=1,048,576

    RIM may never make than many, but they cannot make more without changing the first three digits; which would ruin the prestige of this device.

    There you go.
    Last edited by grahamf; 11-05-11 at 01:27 PM.
    11-05-11 01:22 PM
  2. Fubaz's Avatar
    my buddy has one, he works at RIM
    says its a great looking phone, but a waste of engineering money.
    11-05-11 02:42 PM
  3. JR A's Avatar
    PINs are eight characters long (try adding a 9 character pin to your contacts)
    PINs are hexidecimal (Base 16, or 0-9 +A-F)
    All P'9981 PINs start with 2AA
    That leaves five characters to identify each device
    16^5=1,048,576

    RIM may never make than many, but they cannot make more without changing the first three digits; which would ruin the prestige of this device.

    There you go.
    You must've been one of those kinda kids in school. You know, the Rainman kinda kids.

    You lost me at hexadecimal...
    11-05-11 03:38 PM
  4. rcheung135's Avatar
    my buddy has one, he works at RIM
    says its a great looking phone, but a waste of engineering money.
    Gotta serve those wealthy individuals. It's a good thing that RIM is trying to penetrate the foreign market. I'd be interested to see some frequent people from Dubai on CrackBerry.
    11-05-11 03:43 PM
  5. robtanz's Avatar
    This is still too many
    11-05-11 04:07 PM
  6. oldtimeBBaddict's Avatar
    PINs are eight characters long (try adding a 9 character pin to your contacts)
    PINs are hexidecimal (Base 16, or 0-9 +A-F)
    All P'9981 PINs start with 2AA
    That leaves five characters to identify each device
    16^5=1,048,576

    RIM may never make than many, but they cannot make more without changing the first three digits; which would ruin the prestige of this device.

    There you go.
    As a former math and stats tutor, I fully understand you LOL. IMHO, there should have been 16^0 manufactured.
    11-05-11 04:15 PM
  7. grahamf's Avatar
    And who would get that 16^0? You?

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    11-05-11 04:26 PM
  8. grahamf's Avatar
    You must've been one of those kinda kids in school. You know, the Rainman kinda kids.

    You lost me at hexadecimal...
    Not really, basic computer mathematics.

    hexadecimal is basically a base 16 number system.

    think of it this way:

    we normally use a base 10 number system, where there are ten different states a digit can be: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9.

    on the base 16 number system, a digit can be in an additional 6 states: A, B, C, D, E, and F giving you: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, A, B, C, D, E, and F

    The reason why we use hexadecimal is because it makes it easier for us to work with binary numbers (what computers use)
    because it's easier for us to remember 539 in base 16 then 010100111001 in base 2
    Last edited by grahamf; 11-05-11 at 04:34 PM.
    11-05-11 04:31 PM
  9. kevinnugent's Avatar
    It's still about 1,048,000 too many!
    11-05-11 05:23 PM
  10. grahamf's Avatar
    It's still about 1,048,000 too many!
    True, it would be more elitist if you had one of only 576 devices in existence...
    11-05-11 05:35 PM
  11. kill_9's Avatar
    Not really, basic computer mathematics.

    hexadecimal is basically a base 16 number system.
    Hexadecimal *is* a base-16 number system. There is no need to qualify your comment with the word "basically." It simply is a base-16 number system. Consequently, your degree has been voided and the university expects you to return the diploma without further delay.
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    11-05-11 07:04 PM
  12. kill_9's Avatar
    True, it would be more elitist if you had one of only 576 devices in existence...
    Elitist would be if Research In Motion only manufactured 10(base-16) BlackBerry 9981 smartphones. It would like 10 (decimal) to the masses and quite probably the elite owners of the device.
    11-05-11 07:06 PM
  13. JR A's Avatar
    Not really, basic computer mathematics.

    hexadecimal is basically a base 16 number system.

    think of it this way:

    we normally use a base 10 number system, where there are ten different states a digit can be: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9.

    on the base 16 number system, a digit can be in an additional 6 states: A, B, C, D, E, and F giving you: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, A, B, C, D, E, and F

    The reason why we use hexadecimal is because it makes it easier for us to work with binary numbers (what computers use)
    because it's easier for us to remember 539 in base 16 then 010100111001 in base 2


    Even for "basic" computer mathematics, my brain still doesn't get it.
    11-05-11 07:53 PM
  14. chaddeus's Avatar
    I am wondering.. Why only A, B, C, D, E, F.. Why not from A - Z? In that case, they can have more possible key combination
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    11-05-11 09:51 PM
  15. ignites's Avatar
    I am wondering.. Why only A, B, C, D, E, F.. Why not from A - Z? In that case, they can have more possible key combination
    because 16 is 2^4. Everything computer related is binary (ie a power of two) since that how computers/technology work.
    11-05-11 09:59 PM
  16. grahamf's Avatar
    I am wondering.. Why only A, B, C, D, E, F.. Why not from A - Z? In that case, they can have more possible key combination
    Because then it will be base 36 (10 numbers + 26 letters), which doesn't convert to binary as easily.

    The closest would be Base32 (2^5), which would be 0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUV

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    Last edited by grahamf; 11-05-11 at 10:46 PM.
    11-05-11 10:39 PM
  17. oldtimeBBaddict's Avatar
    And who would get that 16^0? You?

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Actually, I would gladly let you have it. I think it's fugly.
    11-05-11 10:57 PM
  18. Deathcommand's Avatar
    As a former math and stats tutor, I fully understand you LOL. IMHO, there should have been 16^0 manufactured.
    I'm wondering if you know that's one. :P

    I'm thinking 16 x 0 is better. :P

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    11-05-11 11:51 PM
  19. up488's Avatar
    wow, talk about over my head!
    11-06-11 12:57 AM
  20. salexs11's Avatar
    As a former math and stats tutor, I fully understand you LOL. IMHO, there should have been 16^0 manufactured.
    lol. still one too many.
    11-06-11 01:14 AM
  21. kill_9's Avatar
    For homework solve the equation for x:

    Ax + Cx - E - 1 = 0FFF

    Hint: Base 16
    11-06-11 02:06 AM
  22. oldtimeBBaddict's Avatar
    I'm wondering if you know that's one. :P

    I'm thinking 16 x 0 is better. :P

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    I do indeed. I think that 16^0 is the correct number so that it can serve as an object lesson of how not to design phones.
    Last edited by oldtimeBBaddict; 11-06-11 at 09:43 AM. Reason: trying to post before coffee
    11-06-11 09:42 AM
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