- I fired up the 9900 again just to keep things going. Good to see my little provider still has BIS turned on.
Then I find the default AccuWeather app doesn't even work anymore? Just the endless spinning dots...Is this the same for everyone else?
I was wondering when I would be forced to put this thing away finally. I mean, weather is not the end of the world, but I'd hate to be out and about and be surprised by yet another outage of some service or app...
Sent from my BlackBerry 9900 using Tapatalk06-17-19 11:36 AMLike 0 - That happens when apps aren’t maintained. Things change on the service side and when they do this nobody on that QA team is pulling out an old 9900 to see if it still works.
This forum is probably the best place for the community to record what still works and what doesn’t. This is the largest community of people who care about BBOS. BB, Ltd has moved onTgeekB likes this.06-17-19 11:44 AMLike 1 - I fired up the 9900 again just to keep things going. Good to see my little provider still has BIS turned on.
Then I find the default AccuWeather app doesn't even work anymore? Just the endless spinning dots...Is this the same for everyone else?
I was wondering when I would be forced to put this thing away finally. I mean, weather is not the end of the world, but I'd hate to be out and about and be surprised by yet another outage of some service or app...
Sent from my BlackBerry 9900 using Tapatalk06-17-19 08:54 PMLike 0 - I fired up the 9900 again just to keep things going. Good to see my little provider still has BIS turned on.
Then I find the default AccuWeather app doesn't even work anymore? Just the endless spinning dots...Is this the same for everyone else?
I was wondering when I would be forced to put this thing away finally. I mean, weather is not the end of the world, but I'd hate to be out and about and be surprised by yet another outage of some service or app...
Sent from my BlackBerry 9900 using TapatalkBigBadWulf likes this.06-18-19 02:02 PMLike 1 -
However this whole mobile apps thing is kind of stupid in many ways. My car is over 10 years old. Nobody tells me it is 'unsupported ', nobody expects functions to stop working. They don't say 'Ah sorry, we changed the shape of the petrol refueling nozzle, just get a new car'. Or no, sorry we decided we don't support FM radios anymore, just because amplitude and frequency modulation are old school, let's switch to phase modulation because we can!
I have computers over 10 years old that still work. The programs I installed still function just fine as the day they were installed.
Accuweather still looks fine and has the same data even on those ancient browsers. Only on mobile apps do the server side arbitrarily change data access mechanisms and formats on a whim...ppeters914 likes this.06-18-19 05:54 PMLike 1 - I'm not suggesting BlackBerry, or my Bold, or anyone else 'owes' me anything. Just checking if I'm the only one seeing the borkage.
However this whole mobile apps thing is kind of stupid in many ways. My car is over 10 years old. Nobody tells me it is 'unsupported ', nobody expects functions to stop working. They don't say 'Ah sorry, we changed the shape of the petrol refueling nozzle, just get a new car'. Or no, sorry we decided we don't support FM radios anymore, just because amplitude and frequency modulation are old school, let's switch to phase modulation because we can!
I have computers over 10 years old that still work. The programs I installed still function just fine as the day they were installed.
Accuweather still looks fine and has the same data even on those ancient browsers. Only on mobile apps do the server side arbitrarily change data access mechanisms and formats on a whim...
Mobile devices have LOTS and LOTS of dependencies, which is why they are incredibly expensive to maintain over time (and develop in the first place), and they are designed with the idea that most people will use them for 2-3 years max and that after 5 years, they are EOL whether or not they are officially declared to be.
BBOS (v6 & v7) was officially EOL back in 2014. The failure of apps and services in 2019 should hardly be a surprise.bbfanfan and ppeters914 like this.06-18-19 06:33 PMLike 2 - I'm not suggesting BlackBerry, or my Bold, or anyone else 'owes' me anything. Just checking if I'm the only one seeing the borkage.
However this whole mobile apps thing is kind of stupid in many ways. My car is over 10 years old. Nobody tells me it is 'unsupported ', nobody expects functions to stop working. They don't say 'Ah sorry, we changed the shape of the petrol refueling nozzle, just get a new car'. Or no, sorry we decided we don't support FM radios anymore, just because amplitude and frequency modulation are old school, let's switch to phase modulation because we can!
I have computers over 10 years old that still work. The programs I installed still function just fine as the day they were installed.
Accuweather still looks fine and has the same data even on those ancient browsers. Only on mobile apps do the server side arbitrarily change data access mechanisms and formats on a whim...06-18-19 07:01 PMLike 4 - I'm not suggesting BlackBerry, or my Bold, or anyone else 'owes' me anything. Just checking if I'm the only one seeing the borkage.
However this whole mobile apps thing is kind of stupid in many ways. My car is over 10 years old. Nobody tells me it is 'unsupported ', nobody expects functions to stop working. They don't say 'Ah sorry, we changed the shape of the petrol refueling nozzle, just get a new car'. Or no, sorry we decided we don't support FM radios anymore, just because amplitude and frequency modulation are old school, let's switch to phase modulation because we can!
I have computers over 10 years old that still work. The programs I installed still function just fine as the day they were installed.
Accuweather still looks fine and has the same data even on those ancient browsers. Only on mobile apps do the server side arbitrarily change data access mechanisms and formats on a whim...
You made an assumption about arbitrary changes to services on a "whim". That's simply not supported by facts. These services are run by businesses who aren't going to make changes and spend money just for fun. Some reasons that service protocols and endpoints change:
- Scale. Most popular mobile services are used an order of magnitude (some 2 orders) more than they were 10 years ago. That necessitates changes in the backend.
- Security. Most services have to support new security standards that were not available in BB0S or early android or iOS. It's often not worth supporting new standards for 99% of users who get a new phone every few years (or better) and also spend money supporting the <1% of users who are trying to use a phone OS from a decade ago
- Features. Most service support more features than they did 10 years ago. As features expand and supported formats expand, it makes sense to rethink your APIs from time to time. Again, once 99% of users are on the new APIs, why bother spending money on the old ones for the those few people who are left?ppeters914 and BigBadWulf like this.06-18-19 09:16 PMLike 2 - Imagine if tires were completely different every 10-15 years or so, and the roads resurfaced for the new tires so that the old ones couldn't use the roads anymore, and you'd have a good idea why mobile devices aren't supported indefinitely. Changes like that don't really happen in the car world, or when they do, older cars are able to be "grandfathered in" (with the costs born by the car owners). With mobile, the costs for service and support is borne by the developers, so they're not going to support old stuff forever.06-18-19 10:38 PMLike 0
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- I fired up the 9900 again just to keep things going. Good to see my little provider still has BIS turned on.
Then I find the default AccuWeather app doesn't even work anymore? Just the endless spinning dots...Is this the same for everyone else?
I was wondering when I would be forced to put this thing away finally. I mean, weather is not the end of the world, but I'd hate to be out and about and be surprised by yet another outage of some service or app...
Sent from my BlackBerry 9900 using Tapatalk06-19-19 06:18 AMLike 0 - I shocked that so much still works on BBOS phones at this point... in some markets where 3G will live on for years to come, I expect we will be still be getting questions on where to get apps or what works without BIS..... probably longer than BB10 users will hold out. At least with BBOS it's easy to archive and reinstall apps..
But then while I know many have tested using BB10 devices without a BBID activation, do BBOS device work without a BBID?06-19-19 07:26 AMLike 0 - If I recall, BBID came with version 2 of BlackBerry App World, but was not a part of BBOS itself. I only had to add the ID on my Torch 9800 when App World updated to v2. Beyond that, I don't recall much else.Dunt Dunt Dunt likes this.06-19-19 08:58 AMLike 1
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- As others have said, desktops and laptops are not evolving that quickly anymore. Phones have been.
You made an assumption about arbitrary changes to services on a "whim". That's simply not supported by facts. These services are run by businesses who aren't going to make changes and spend money just for fun. ...
OneDrive (that was BB10) died, ok, I get it, everybody has to refresh their app.
This weather thing in particular? Come on, is it delivering any new information? Has what people wanted for the forecast changed recently? BB10's weather app has not been updated in YEARS, yet it still works and it uses the same source as the BB7 one, so how come BB10 app didn't break?
Unsupported is fine (that's like trying to find parts for my Edsel). Changing the standard because it's better is fine (that's like pulling the lead from the gas). But what mobile apps do a lot of time is more like "Oh I see you're still running that 1957 Peugot, I'm sorry, you're not allowed to fill up here even though it takes the same gas and the nozzle still fits cause we just don't think you should run such an old car"
Anyways, it is what it is, just a minor rant, I've got phones to move on to that continue to work well.
Posted via CB10ppeters914 likes this.06-24-19 04:48 PMLike 1 - Sometimes true, but I think sometimes they do it just to spite some users.
OneDrive (that was BB10) died, ok, I get it, everybody has to refresh their app.
This weather thing in particular? Come on, is it delivering any new information? Has what people wanted for the forecast changed recently? BB10's weather app has not been updated in YEARS, yet it still works and it uses the same source as the BB7 one, so how come BB10 app didn't break?
Unsupported is fine (that's like trying to find parts for my Edsel). Changing the standard because it's better is fine (that's like pulling the lead from the gas). But what mobile apps do a lot of time is more like "Oh I see you're still running that 1957 Peugot, I'm sorry, you're not allowed to fill up here even though it takes the same gas and the nozzle still fits cause we just don't think you should run such an old car"
Anyways, it is what it is, just a minor rant, I've got phones to move on to that continue to work well.
Posted via CB10Last edited by conite; 06-24-19 at 06:21 PM.
06-24-19 05:22 PMLike 0 -
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- Sometimes true, but I think sometimes they do it just to spite some users.
OneDrive (that was BB10) died, ok, I get it, everybody has to refresh their app.
This weather thing in particular? Come on, is it delivering any new information? Has what people wanted for the forecast changed recently? BB10's weather app has not been updated in YEARS, yet it still works and it uses the same source as the BB7 one, so how come BB10 app didn't break?
Unsupported is fine (that's like trying to find parts for my Edsel). Changing the standard because it's better is fine (that's like pulling the lead from the gas). But what mobile apps do a lot of time is more like "Oh I see you're still running that 1957 Peugot, I'm sorry, you're not allowed to fill up here even though it takes the same gas and the nozzle still fits cause we just don't think you should run such an old car"
Anyways, it is what it is, just a minor rant, I've got phones to move on to that continue to work well.
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APIs don’t change only because of content changes. Examples of api changes that have nothing to with new information being transmitted:
- we moved to a CDN
- we had a CDN and moved to a different one
- we coalesced some calls for performance reasons
- OR we broke some calls down for perf reasons
- we went to a binary format
- OR we went to a text format because it’s wrapped in gzip downstream anyway
- we rewrote the backend to something more modern or performant and we took the opportunity to clean up regrets in the API (super common! How many people run exactly the same stack that they did 10 years ago?)
- we went serverless
- we moved to containers and we had to make some changes to endpoints
- etc, etc, etc.
Running a service at massive scale with millions of users is a constant process of improvement and optimization (Including cost optimization) and modernization (as more efficient and more secure and more scalable and easier to maintain technologies become available)TgeekB and ppeters914 like this.06-24-19 06:27 PMLike 2
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