1. CassidyXO's Avatar
    I am waiting the delivery of my new 9930 and have been reading up on the forums about the battery and how to charge and set your settings to get the longest battery. I am getting so confused, some people are saying that you should totally kill your battery, where as others are saying dont ever do that and to let it go to 10% then charge it.


    Sooooo, what do I do?
    fayskelley likes this.
    09-01-11 12:14 PM
  2. sj-performance's Avatar
    on 1st cycle i always let it die and then charge...after that u should be fine...read the article "Adam" wrote on 10 tips of how to get better battery life on the 9900/9930
    09-01-11 12:27 PM
  3. simsim's Avatar
    Sooooo, what do I do?
    How about NOT starting a new thread but reading the Sticky listing all the existing battery threads and getting tonnes of info from those?
    09-01-11 12:28 PM
  4. CassidyXO's Avatar
    How about NOT starting a new thread but reading the Sticky listing all the existing battery threads and getting tonnes of info from those?
    I read that thread and it all had contradicting information in it.. One person said to do this, another said dont do thatm do this.. So I figured I would make a new thread to clarify, I didnt know I couldn't do that?
    09-01-11 02:08 PM
  5. dadathepanda's Avatar
    whatever you do, just let the battery fully charge before the first use. Follow these steps:

    1. go home
    2. take the battery out of the device
    3. let it sit for 30 seconds or so
    4. put the battery back/do not turn the device on; it will do it by itself
    5. charge battery using wall charger (not USB as the current is not as strong as wall charger) until the plug symbol appears over the battery icon (100% full)
    6. enjoy new Blackberry
    Last edited by DadaThePanda; 09-01-11 at 03:38 PM.
    09-01-11 03:36 PM
  6. Accidental Post's Avatar
    For the OP and all of these battery wizzes:

    http://electronics.howstuffworks.com...n-battery2.htm

    Lithium-ion Battery Life and Death
    Lithium-ion battery packs are expensive, so if you want to make yours to last longer, here are some things to keep in mind:
    Lithium ion chemistry prefers partial discharge to deep discharge, so it's best to avoid taking the battery all the way down to zero. Since lithium-ion chemistry does not have a "memory", you do not harm the battery pack with a partial discharge. If the voltage of a lithium-ion cell drops below a certain level, it's ruined.
    Lithium-ion batteries age. They only last two to three years, even if they are sitting on a shelf unused. So do not "avoid using" the battery with the thought that the battery pack will last five years. It won't. Also, if you are buying a new battery pack, you want to make sure it really is new. If it has been sitting on a shelf in the store for a year, it won't last very long. Manufacturing dates are important.
    Avoid heat, which degrades the batteries.

    Another Source:

    Question: How do I take care of a Lithium Ion battery to prolong its life? Should I charge it frequently or drain it fully before charging it?

    Lithium ion batteries are particular about their operating conditions, and there are a lot of small things that can contribute to better quality of life. Li-ion batteries have a reasonably finite lifespan and can hold only a fraction of their original capacity after a few years, but things like operating temperature, how long the battery spends plugged in, how the battery is used, and the charge cycling you asked about can contribute to how long the battery lasts. If Michael Pollan had to sum up ideal Li-ion battery usage, he might say something like, "Use your battery. Not too much. Mostly for small apps."

    One of the worst things you can do to a Li-ion battery is to run it out completely all the time. Full discharges put a lot of strain on the battery, and it's much better practice to do shallow discharges to no lower than 20 percent. In a way, this is like people running for exercise— running a few miles a day is fine, but running a marathon every day is generally not sustainable. If your Li-ion powered device is running out of juice on a daily basis, you're decreasing its overall useful lifespan, and should probably work some charging stations into your day or change your devices' settings so that it's not churning through its battery so quickly.

    There used to be certain types of batteries whose "memory" of their total charge capacity seemed to get confused by shallow discharges. This is not, and never was, the case with Li-ion batteries. However, if you are using something like a notebook computer that gives you time estimates of how much longer the battery will last, this clock can be confused by shallow charging intervals. Most manufacturers recommend that you do a full discharge of the battery about once a month to help your device calibrate the time gauge.

    One common misconception is that Li-ion batteries will only count charge cycles if the battery is drained completely in one session; another is that the battery counts one charge cycle for every instance the device is unplugged and plugged in again. Neither of these is true—Li-ion batteries actually count charge cycles based on a 100 percent discharge even when it's summed over multiple sessions. For example, if you discharge a battery to 50 percent one day, charge it back to 100 percent, then discharge it 50 percent again the next day, that is counted as one "cycle" of the battery. So shallow discharges, in all these regards, are ideal for a Li-ion battery.

    On the other end of the spectrum, keeping a Li-ion battery fully charged is not good for it either. This isn't because Li-ion batteries can get "overcharged" (something that people used to worry about in The Olden Days of portable computers), but a Li-ion battery that doesn't get used will suffer from capacity loss, meaning that it won't be able to hold as much charge and power your gadgets for as long. Extremely shallow discharges of only a couple percent are also not enough to keep a Li-ion battery in practice, so if you're going to pull the plug, let the battery run down for a little bit.

    From another source:

    http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/fiv...ttery-life/289

    1: Keep your batteries at room temperature

    That means between 20 and 25 degrees C. The worst thing that can happen to a lithium-ion battery is to have a full charge and be subjected to elevated temperatures. So don’t leave or charge your mobile device’s battery in your car if it’s hot out. Heat is by far the largest factor when it comes to reducing lithium-ion battery life.
    2: Think about getting a high-capacity lithium-ion battery, rather than carrying a spare

    Batteries deteriorate over time, whether they’re being used or not. So a spare battery won’t last much longer than the one in use. It’s important to remember the aging characteristic when purchasing batteries. Make sure to ask for ones with the most recent manufacturing date.

    3: Allow partial discharges and avoid full ones (usually)

    Unlike NiCad batteries, lithium-ion batteries do not have a charge memory. That means deep-discharge cycles are not required. In fact, it’s better for the battery to use partial-discharge cycles.
    There is one exception. Battery experts suggest that after 30 charges, you should allow lithium-ion batteries to almost completely discharge. Continuous partial discharges create a condition called digital memory, decreasing the accuracy of the device’s power gauge. So let the battery discharge to the cut-off point and then recharge. The power gauge will be recalibrated.

    4: Avoid completely discharging lithium-ion batteries

    If a lithium-ion battery is discharged below 2.5 volts per cell, a safety circuit built into the battery opens and the battery appears to be dead. The original charger will be of no use. Only battery analyzers with the boost function have a chance of recharging the battery.
    Also, for safety reasons, do not recharge deeply discharged lithium-ion batteries if they have been stored in that condition for several months.

    5: For extended storage, discharge a lithium-ion battery to about 40 percent and store it in a cool place

    I’ve always had an extra battery for my notebook, but it would never last as long as the original battery. I know now that it’s because I was storing the battery fully charged. That means oxidation of lithium-ion is at its highest rate. Storing lithium-ion batteries at 40 percent discharge and in the refrigerator (not freezer) is recommended

    And for good measure:

    Lithium-Ion — or Li-Ion — batteries are in everything, and while they may not last forever, they’ll benefit from a little tender loving care. This time, five strategies that will help your users get the most out of the rechargeable batteries in their laptops and portable devices.

    Device manufacturers categorize batteries as “consumables.” They’re expected to wear out; it’s how they do what they do. The warranties provided by computer companies usually have different coverage terms for a laptop’s battery than for the computer’s other components. Even if you take the best possible care of your battery, its performance will degrade over time, and I’ve found that batteries older than two or three years aren’t good for much runtime at all.

    Accept the fact that your battery won’t last forever, no matter what.

    Oxidation in the cells can prevent an old battery from discharging properly, so even when left on a shelf, a battery’s lifespan shortens with time. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t some steps that you can take to ensure the Li-Ion batteries in your laptop or cell phone last as long as possible.

    Batteries are made to be used, so use them.

    Just like couch potatoes, batteries need exercise. The chemicals in Lithium-Ion batteries respond best to regular recharging. So if you have a laptop, don’t keep it plugged in all the time; go ahead and let it drain to about 40 or 50 percent of capacity, and then recharge your computer.

    The life of a Lithium-Ion battery can be measured in charge cycles. A charge cycle occurs when 100% of a battery’s capacity is used. Let’s say you use 50% of your laptop’s battery one day, charge it overnight, and then you use 50% of the battery again the next day. Even after charging it back up again, you’ll have only had one charge cycle occur. Most laptop batteries are rated for a useful life of at least 300-500 charge cycles, but high-quality, properly maintained batteries can retain up to 80% of their original life, even after 300 cycles.

    Periodically calibrate your battery.

    Most batteries that have a “fuel gauge”, like those in laptops, should be periodically discharged to zero. This can be accomplished simply by letting your computer run until it reports a low-battery state and suspends itself. (Do not let your computer deep discharge, as I’ll explain in the next item.)

    The gauge that measures the remaining power in your laptop is based on circuitry integrated into the battery that approximates the effectiveness of the battery’s chemical compounds. Over time, a discrepancy can develop between the capacity that the internal circuitry expects the battery to have and what the battery can actually provide. Letting your computer run down to zero every month or so can recalibrate the battery’s circuitry, and keep your computer’s estimates of its remaining life accurate.

    Don’t practice so-called deep discharges.

    Most laptops will suspend operation if the battery drains too low. Even if your computer goes to sleep, though, most batteries that are in good working order will still have a reserve charge available. This reserve will hold the computer’s working memory in state for a little while. A deep discharge has occurred when even that percentage of reserve power is used up. The computer will have turned off completely, and sometimes you’ll notice that it will have lost track of the correct date and time. Deep discharges will strain your batteries, so try to charge them frequently.

    Avoid exposing your battery to heat (when possible).

    Heat can overexcite the chemicals in your battery, shortening its overall lifespan. In fact, it’s been speculated that the biggest cause of early battery expiration is the heat that batteries can be exposed to when they’re stored in computers that are running off AC power. Laptops — especially modern multi-core machines — can get very hot when they’re plugged in, easily over 100 degrees Fahrenheit. That’s hot enough that extended exposure will negatively affect your battery. If you want to be really protective, there’s nothing saying that you can’t pop the battery out of your laptop if you’re going to be within reach of a power outlet for a while.

    There may be times that you can’t help but expose your laptop battery to heat; you may live in a warm climate, for instance. You can, however, try and avoid exacerbating the issue. Make sure your laptop is well ventilated and that you’re not operating it on a surface that retains heat, even when you’re not plugged into mains power.

    Store your batteries properly.

    If your laptop or portable device isn’t going to be used for a while, you should remove its Lithium-Ion battery, if possible. Even if the battery can’t be separated from the device, it should be stored in a cool environment at about one-half charge. Cool temperature is recommended by experts because that can slow the natural discharge that batteries will undergo even when they’re disconnected from their device.

    I’ve seen some people go even further and recommend that spare batteries be stored in the refrigerator. I don’t think this is a very good idea; I’m concerned about condensation that might build up. Don’t put your batteries on ice, but keep them out of the sun.

    Ultimately, I believe that buying spare Li-Ion batteries is a losing game, because the batteries start degrading as soon as they’re manufactured. Usually those spare batteries spend most of their time sitting in a charger, losing useful life. If you need to be really mobile, you’re better off purchasing an adapter cable you can use with the power sources available in planes, trains, or autos. And, of course, by taking good care of the battery you already have.

    And yet another article on dischargin Lithium ION:
    Over-discharging Lithium-ion

    Li-ion should never be discharged too low, and there are several safeguards to prevent this from happening. The equipment cuts off when the battery discharges to about 3.0V/cell, stopping the current flow. If the discharge continues to about 2.70V/cell or lower, the battery’s protection circuit puts the battery into a sleep mode. This renders the pack unserviceable and a recharge with most chargers is not possible. To prevent a battery from falling asleep, apply a partial charge before a long storage period.
    Battery manufacturers ship batteries with a 40 percent charge. The low charge state reduces aging-related stress while allowing some self-discharge during storage. To minimize the current flow for the protection circuit before the battery is sold, advanced Li-ion packs feature a sleep mode that disables the protection circuit until activated by a brief charge or discharge. Once engaged, the battery remains operational and the on state can no longer be switched back to the standby mode.
    Do not recharge lithium-ion if a cell has stayed at or below 1.5V for more than a week. Copper shunts may have formed inside the cells that can lead to a partial or total electrical short. If recharged, the cells might become unstable, causing excessive heat or showing other anomalies. Li-ion packs that have been under stress are more sensitive to mechanical abuse, such as vibration, dropping and exposure to heat.

    I never ever let my battery completely discharge and here it is about 2:45 and I have 77% left.......made 4-5 calls multiple emails and about 40 texts......

    I think the articles speak for themselves.....
    jwang217, Fnord, mssca and 3 others like this.
    09-01-11 03:41 PM
  7. CassidyXO's Avatar
    Thanks for the information! I obviously know nothing about batteries and all, thats why I come here and ask and read here. And in the battery sticky there were some people saying to run it to 0 then charge it, so I got confused and just wanted to clarify.

    Thanks so much guys!
    fayskelley likes this.
    09-01-11 03:57 PM
  8. fayskelley's Avatar
    I just opened my new 9930 and it is on the charger now .... thanks for asking as I just came over to get the same info! good thread !
    09-06-11 05:30 PM
  9. greggebhardt's Avatar
    I read that thread and it all had contradicting information in it.. One person said to do this, another said dont do thatm do this.. So I figured I would make a new thread to clarify, I didnt know I couldn't do that?
    This is why we do not need ANOTHER thread on the battery as you will get the same multiple opinions!
    simsim likes this.
    09-06-11 05:49 PM
  10. Eric Kane's Avatar
    I'm sure you'll all have great luck with your new phones as far as battery life goes. Especially if you download OS .353.
    09-06-11 07:44 PM
  11. mevolcom3's Avatar
    great thread!
    09-08-11 02:19 PM
  12. WJF84's Avatar
    So much bad advice. As has been the way for years, the batteries in BB and most other devices operate differently to traditional batteries so you don't have to worry about fully charging and discharging.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    simsim likes this.
    09-08-11 02:30 PM
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