1. idssteve's Avatar
    9900 has got a very weak battery unit. I gave my Bold to my mom, she phones a few times and sends sms maybe once or twice a day. And despite of this, she has to charge it every single day.

    Posted via CB10
    9900's small battery contributes to its compactness. They pulled all stops for "thin". (Camera suffered in the name of "thin" also.) 99's battery was sized barely adequately for a light use day with expectation that the battery pack is easily swapped out mid way of a heavy use day.

    Embedded battery handsets, however, can't be swapped out when they're drained and so must be sized to endure a hard day. That's fine for hard days but means your hand is handling and lugging around unnecessary bulk on lighter use days.

    99's swapable configuration permits smaller, lighter batteries, while also affording the versatile option to easily fit larger batteries when needed. Some of us rock a 3000mAh "Fat Boy" that provides DAYS of heavy use endurance. I still use my 5000 mAh "Horse" that has endured 4 days of pretty heavy use. Other days I feel like "trim & slim" and opt for compact oem JM1.

    In short, anyone who thinks 9900 needs a bigger battery simply needs to get a bigger battery! Lol. Or, carry a very compact JM1 as spare. I do both.
    Last edited by idssteve; 12-04-17 at 08:47 PM.
    12-04-17 08:34 PM
  2. Shuswap's Avatar
    Without a SIM card and a fully charged newer battery on wifi only I can go almost a full day if I don’t touch the device. (Like when I condition/exercise batteries now) When using it maybe 6-9 hours at the most. Of course that depends on useage and signal strength etc, age of battery.....

    I still watch the videos of when the 9900 was new and many reviewers were being generous when they would say “great battery life” despite the fact it was a downgrade from the 9780’s battery with 1500 mah. In reality we discovered and soon many complained that battery life was pretty terrible and that people would have to charge before suppertime. Many couldn’t make it to lunchtime on average useage.

    But of course this is why it is essential to be able to swap out batteries in 2 minutes flat and be up and running in about 2-3 minutes depending on how many apps you had on it.
    Either you need a new battery or an update to 7.1.0.1098. That's very poor battery life. On WiFi only, mine will go for days.
    12-04-17 10:29 PM
  3. littlebuff's Avatar
    Saw it on TV or youtube that they are making some new houses in the US with entire wall and roof from concrete with fine wire mesh. That must be terrible on the cell signals.

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    12-05-17 01:28 AM
  4. Shuswap's Avatar
    Saw it on TV or youtube that they are making some new houses in the US with entire wall and roof from concrete with fine wire mesh. That must be terrible on the cell signals.

    Posted via CB10
    But it must be a total relief not to have wear your tinfoil hat indoors!
    12-05-17 09:44 AM
  5. David Tyler's Avatar
    But it must be a total relief not to have wear your tinfoil hat indoors!
    Mine always messes up my hair.
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    12-05-17 04:40 PM
  6. idssteve's Avatar
    But it must be a total relief not to have wear your tinfoil hat indoors!
    Haha... Where does one find TIN foil, these days? Does Aluminum work? Lol.

    No worries, ELF might transmit thru finger flesh from phone's capacitive touch coupling anyway. Lol. But, why fight'em when you can join'em??

    https://www.elfemmit.com/last-chance...SAAEgLTA_D_BwE

    Lol...
    12-05-17 05:10 PM
  7. idssteve's Avatar
    Saw it on TV or youtube that they are making some new houses in the US with entire wall and roof from concrete with fine wire mesh. That must be terrible on the cell signals.

    Posted via CB10
    Wilson's WeBoost repeater/amplifiers can solve a lot of weak/shielded signal troubles. Gotta have at least a little signal outside for it to boadcast inside.
    12-05-17 05:15 PM
  8. RaybanRJ's Avatar
    Haha... Where does one find TIN foil, these days? Does Aluminum work? Lol.

    No worries, ELF might transmit thru finger flesh from phone's capacitive touch coupling anyway. Lol. But, why fight'em when you can join'em??

    https://www.elfemmit.com/last-chance...SAAEgLTA_D_BwE

    Lol...
    Nice cancer machine
    12-06-17 01:16 AM
  9. Nguyen1's Avatar
    I wanted to take a quick photo of a document, took out my 9300, opened camera app, and tapped the screen (my convenience buttons were set to something else). Nothing happened. I tapped the screen three more times, no photos taken!

    What!?! Then.... it hit me. the 9300 doesn't have a touch screen. I tapped the touchpad on the toolbelt, and voila, photo was taken. Duh.

    We are spoiled by our touchscreens, aren't we? Don't worry, little 9300, I still love you very much!

    Sent from my BlackBerry 9900!
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    12-06-17 03:45 PM
  10. idssteve's Avatar
    I wanted to take a quick photo of a document, took out my 9300, opened camera app, and tapped the screen (my convenience buttons were set to something else). Nothing happened. I tapped the screen three more times, no photos taken!

    What!?! Then.... it hit me. the 9300 doesn't have a touch screen. I tapped the touchpad on the toolbelt, and voila, photo was taken. Duh.

    We are spoiled by our touchscreens, aren't we? Don't worry, little 9300, I still love you very much!

    Sent from my BlackBerry 9900!
    Check out ZOOM with trackpad... Scroll trackpad up/down to zoom in/out then snap shot without even lifting thumb. Smooth, fluid and addictive. It will spoil the best of us. Lol.

    Plus, I really like letting a little weight rest onto thumb on trackpad for added stability while snapping photo. Too bad 99's camera was so lacking but other legacy models really had pretty respectable cameras AND utilized BBOS's excellent single thumb zoom & snap...
    Last edited by idssteve; 12-06-17 at 04:38 PM.
    12-06-17 04:12 PM
  11. RaybanRJ's Avatar
    Yeah my 5MP autofocus camera on the 9780 and 9790 were excellent, especially for Macro shots but unfortunately I have zoom only on camera mode and NOT in Video mode. If I recall I THINK I had zoom on both with the others but not the 9900. Then again my 9900 runs a much earlier version of OS7.1.
    12-06-17 06:48 PM
  12. idssteve's Avatar
    Latest OS still has zoom on photo only. Not vid. Amazingly, Classic didn't utilize trackpad for photo zoom. Guess that's what happens when you have glass phreaks designing track devices. Lol.

    After all these years, I'll still take track over touch.
    12-06-17 11:13 PM
  13. RaybanRJ's Avatar
    Latest OS still has zoom on photo only. Not vid. Amazingly, Classic didn't utilize trackpad for photo zoom. Guess that's what happens when you have glass phreaks designing track devices. Lol.

    After all these years, I'll still take track over touch.
    Yeah I know every time I make a YouTube video you can see the pauses for when you can only pinch your fingers out so far to zoom it’s not as smooth as the trackpad that’s for sure. Better control of the trackpad for Minute zooms or big ones.
    12-06-17 11:15 PM
  14. idssteve's Avatar
    Glass has certainly proven itself a gentle learning curve for the masses. I, myself, suffer to identify a single thing it does better than trackpad. It's certainly not more precise. It slows ME down at least half. Obviously many others disagree, for now. BUT I can foresee a day where the masses might grow weary of taking longer for less precision and start seeking more advanced UI concepts. SOME of us grow out of finger painting and start seeking finely tipped brushes, at some point.. lol
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    12-06-17 11:30 PM
  15. littlebuff's Avatar
    ...like trying to place the cursor where it's needed to be with the big thumb blocking out all the letters. I always manage to put it one or two letters away, lol.
    @Nguyen1: try the convenient button next time you want to take a pic. I've always had the right ones for voice dialing but when in camera mode they always work as the shutter button.

    Posted via CB10
    12-07-17 08:41 AM
  16. Nguyen1's Avatar
    I rarely use camera. It's more convenient for me to assign one for kindle, the other for lock device.

    Speaking of trackpads, they work great on smartphones, no arguments there, but they make terrible, disastrous mouse replacements for desktop. My office has a Mac with a trackpad instead of normal mouse, and it slows me down 80% at least . I HATE it! I blame Apple for this terrible design over function trend of the past decade-plus.

    Heck, I'll challenge anyone to a good old-fashioned game of Doom, me on my decades-long mouse vs. them on a fancy Apple trackpad. It would be a massacre...
    12-07-17 09:09 AM
  17. idssteve's Avatar
    I rarely use camera. It's more convenient for me to assign one for kindle, the other for lock device.

    Speaking of trackpads, they work great on smartphones, no arguments there, but they make terrible, disastrous mouse replacements for desktop. My office has a Mac with a trackpad instead of normal mouse, and it slows me down 80% at least . I HATE it! I blame Apple for this terrible design over function trend of the past decade-plus.

    Heck, I'll challenge anyone to a good old-fashioned game of Doom, me on my decades-long mouse vs. them on a fancy Apple trackpad. It would be a massacre...
    Just for clarity, when you're in 7.1 camera app, convenience key snaps "shutter" no matter what else convenience is assigned to otherwise. I keep convenience key assigned to Messages. Which let's me check messages from ALMOST anywhere... Except camera... Lol. Shutter snap takes priority when camera app is up.

    Of course trackpad button also snaps shutter so... I typically prefer to zoom than to physically move my body for image framing... So once zoomed to desired frame by scrolling trackpad, thumb just presses trackpad... Quick, easy, simple & smooth... Not words I'd associate with my D60... Lol.

    Not sure what's on your Macs? Track pad? Or touch pad?? Totally agree about mouse and desktop... Solidly proven application... So long as you have a desk for the mouse. Lol. I've been experimenting with bluetooth mouse on K1 also. Still needs a surface. Mouse works great for presentations, also, unless you roam... Which I do... Lol.

    I've grown to really like BB's optical trackpad for presentations... Classic over Miracast or hdmi, or 99 thru Playbook's hdmi on to 100" display. BB's optical trackpad tames all size displays nicely. Far, far better than laptop touch pads, imo. Not as nice as mouse but... Far more portable... And far, far more single handed friendly while operated from a pocket...

    I've spec'd, provided, installed, programmed and commissioned well over 1000 industrial touch screen hmi over the past 30 years. Their single greatest attribute is versatility. For the system designer. Try as we have, they are rarely as comfortably intuitive for the operator-user as old fashioned physical PBs, in my experience. Which is why there's ALWAYS a big red PHYSICAL "Emergency Stop". And frequently other physical switches. Just to safely optimize operator-user efficiency and comfort. Every tool has its task. BB's Optical Trackpad, as implemented on 9900, remains unchallenged for UI experience, imo. Touch UI can't touch it, imo. For mobile UI precision, at least. Imo. Fwiw.

    This monster sized K1 really, really NEEDs trackpad... and toolbelt as well... Instead of that phreaking capacitive home button that disrupts what EVER you're doing with the slightest accidental brush... I'm SO fatigued of handling handsets like porcupines!!! Lol.
    12-07-17 12:31 PM
  18. Nguyen1's Avatar
    I have a random question. Resistive touch screens are extinct now but used to be quite commonplace. Were they all plastic? I can't imagine pushing to deform a glass screen would have been a great idea... Just a random thought.
    12-07-17 07:25 PM
  19. Shuswap's Avatar
    I have a random question. Resistive touch screens are extinct now but used to be quite commonplace. Were they all plastic? I can't imagine pushing to deform a glass screen would have been a great idea... Just a random thought.
    The vast majority of resistive touchscreens have a plastic resistive layer on top, with an underlying screen with a glass or plastic surface. Apparently a glass over glass resistive touchscreen is possible, but I've never seen one, and for the top layer to be flexible enough to work, it would likely be fairly fragile.
    12-07-17 07:57 PM
  20. idssteve's Avatar
    Vast majority of industrial hmi I've worked with were resistive. To my recollection, all had a flexible "plastic" overlay. Actual durability can't hold a candle to capacitive glass. We've all likely seen capacitive glass function with spiderweb cracks... resistive tends to wear and degrade, over time. Becoming less and less responsive to "dead spots" in the grid. I've programmed around such deadspots to get a customer out of a bind. Resistive's advantage, imo, is that it doesn't register an input with just a tiny brush from a stray finger. Capacitive doesn't HAVE to be so "touchy" , tho. Overly touchy touch is a choice Apple embraced and everyone has embraced it since. Probably great for some things. Not conducive to error free precision, imo.
    12-07-17 09:52 PM
  21. Shuswap's Avatar
    Vast majority of industrial hmi I've worked with were resistive. To my recollection, all had a flexible "plastic" overlay. Actual durability can't hold a candle to capacitive glass. We've all likely seen capacitive glass function with spiderweb cracks... resistive tends to wear and degrade, over time. Becoming less and less responsive to "dead spots" in the grid. I've programmed around such deadspots to get a customer out of a bind. Resistive's advantage, imo, is that it doesn't register an input with just a tiny brush from a stray finger. Capacitive doesn't HAVE to be so "touchy" , tho. Overly touchy touch is a choice Apple embraced and everyone has embraced it since. Probably great for some things. Not conducive to error free precision, imo.
    Another resistive advantage: cold weather. I can use the resistive touchscreen in my car with a glove on.

    That being said, I'd really rather have buttons on the car stereo.
    12-07-17 11:06 PM
  22. Nguyen1's Avatar
    I just obtained a good condition palm pixi plus. Oh.my.god. The process to activate this unactivated phone without the required HP servers, now all defunct, are very daunting! It's like translating Egyptian hieroglyphics without the rosetta stone! This is the very opposite of Apple's "it just works." But gosh darnit, I'm going to crack this thing because I've always heard how brilliant webOS is, next to BBOS, so I want to get it up and running.
    12-08-17 04:58 AM
  23. idssteve's Avatar
    Another resistive advantage: cold weather. I can use the resistive touchscreen in my car with a glove on.

    That being said, I'd really rather have buttons on the car stereo.
    Haha... No virtual steering wheels for me. Lol.

    Btw, BB's optical trackpad can play nice with gloves.
    12-08-17 05:39 AM
  24. Shuswap's Avatar
    I just obtained a good condition palm pixi plus. Oh.my.god. The process to activate this unactivated phone without the required HP servers, now all defunct, are very daunting! It's like translating Egyptian hieroglyphics without the rosetta stone! This is the very opposite of Apple's "it just works." But gosh darnit, I'm going to crack this thing because I've always heard how brilliant webOS is, next to BBOS, so I want to get it up and running.
    Bypassing activation is a bit of a hassle. But once you get past it, you'll find that you have a very hackable phone.

    In addition to the information on the webOS Nation forums, Pivotce.com has a number of useful guides.
    12-08-17 09:20 AM
  25. Nguyen1's Avatar
    Yes, I grabbed a devicetool.jar program which should help. It took me a bit of time just to figure out how to put the pixi into USB mode. Not intuitive at all. Good thing I like to tinker. Nice looking device, though. Holding the palm pixi plus and my 9900 in my hands, I can only imagine "what could have been..." In a more sane world, webOS and BBOS should have ruled the cellphone market. But now, everyone just wants to carry around some Ipad mini clone that takes pictures; actually making calls is not a priority at all anymore on smartphones.
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    12-08-17 11:24 AM
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