Google collects locations even when location services are disabled
- Google collects Android users’ locations through cell tower data even when location services are disabled and our DTEK does not tell us.
https://qz.com/1131515/google-collec...-are-disabled/
This is the another point that shows you can't trust DTEK as
1: they don't monitor BlackBerry and google preloaded apps
2: they perhaps even can't monitor such now revealed hidden background functions in the OSanon(8679041) likes this.11-21-17 11:42 PMLike 1 - And Google explains all this if you look it up. As I recall, if you turn off Location Services, you will get a warning that some apps may not work well without it. There is also a notification icon that shows when an app is accessing your exact location information.11-22-17 12:16 AMLike 0
- This is happening behind the scenes, regardless of your Location Services settings.gizmo21 and anon(8679041) like this.11-22-17 08:31 AMLike 2
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- There are many ways the Internet can pay for itself, some ways are more or less ethical than others.i_plod_an_dr_void and anon(8679041) like this.11-22-17 07:50 PMLike 2
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- what a load of crap
it's like saying if my WiFi is disabled it will still show nearby hotspots
ridiculous!!!i_plod_an_dr_void likes this.11-22-17 08:42 PMLike 1 - I have great confidence in DTEK / Integrity Detection. I've just always understood that BlackBerry and Google are exempt. Somewhat understandable when owning a BlackBerry/Google device - if I wasn't willing to live with them, I would be buying something else.11-22-17 09:26 PMLike 0
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- Yep, and even if you don't care about some apps not working, and still turn off Location Services, they keep tracking you without you even knowing about it, until someone exposed it, and then they stopped doing that.gizmo21 and anon(8679041) like this.11-22-17 09:59 PMLike 2
- If the allegations above are true then....
I guess that's what the power-off button is for (turning off location tracking -undocumented feature) .....highly inconvenient though. (and very likely not limited to Android)
Is that why they stopped designing removeable batteries in most smartphones? Because you could be certain of no longer being tracked?...unless of course there are embedded rfid tags in the devices as well. Seems like it should be a user's choice, maybe the premium devices should get removeable batteries, while the masses can continue to be tracked like the tagging of animals in the wild? a little ant-farm? hmm sometimes it makes you wonder where this is all leading to, and what abuse of information (personal data groping) could be happening now or in the future. Gosh for that matter I might be afraid to go for surgery if there was a possibility of implanting an rfid pill in the body......oh wait....I shouldn't worry because retinal scanners (like on the iphone ) will be tracking me, when the traffic and security camera's get an update...unlesss I buy the bb10 retinal dispersion contacts that randomly create one of a trillion unique retinal patterns every few minutes or so to confuse the scanners...well that or some really good sunglasses (lol - well maybe)...
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or maybe its like this, if you can "innoculate" >95% (or whatever) of the population with smartphone trackers, you can easily track the rest by satellite imagery or a nextgen of traditional security camera software, whether they have a tag on them or not. WoW! We're all in the petri dish now. Creepy! Kirk: Computer where is Dr. McCoy? Computer: He is on level 3 deck 12....(though at least in Star Trek if you removed the communicator from your uniform, it couldn't find you on the planet....but anyone could be tracked on the ship whether they wore one or not. I don't think Mars has any cellular networks yet....any volunteers?Last edited by i_plod_an_dr_void; 11-23-17 at 12:50 AM.
11-23-17 12:04 AMLike 0 - They will keep collecting your data. They all will. Even BB collected your data. It's how companies accomplish many tasks for many reasons good or bad. Participate in society, or don't. You leave a footprint either way. Like the eye of a hurricane, the storm and the calm are both visible....11-23-17 09:39 AMLike 0
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They will keep collecting your data. They all will. Even BB collected your data. It's how companies accomplish many tasks for many reasons good or bad. Participate in society, or don't. You leave a footprint either way. Like the eye of a hurricane, the storm and the calm are both visible....cyberdoggie and i_plod_an_dr_void like this.11-23-17 10:09 AMLike 2 - This isn’t even a smartphone issue. This is exactly the data that carriers capture on every mobile phone ever, including every single BlackBerry ever made.
And yes, carriers have been selling this same data for years.11-23-17 10:15 AMLike 0 - I don't believe DTEK monitors this permission anyway. It would be interesting if BlackBerry used this as an opportunity to expand DTEK's capabilities.
Certainly nothing like this where a users permissions are secretly ignored. BlackBerry was never interested in data like Google is anyway, they made their money from BIS and enterprise. Telemetry and data collection was usually opt in by default on BB devices while many Google services are opt out.
The Internet, mobile or not, changed everything as we know it. Right?11-23-17 10:23 AMLike 0 -
Yes, but if you didn't opt-in, you couldn't benefit from many device features that required things like your location. Bulk or anonymous user data has been collected for years and I'm certain that BB hands are not clean. That's ok because clean hands would suggest laziness at improving user experience.
The Internet, mobile or not, changed everything as we know it. Right?i_plod_an_dr_void and cyberdoggie like this.11-23-17 10:33 AMLike 2 - What carriers do with Cell ID data depends on the carrier and country but there are legitimate uses for it as well (911 calls for example). Why does Google need to bypass user permissions to get access to it?
Sure but this type of tracking circumvents Android itself. Google was taking this data and sending it to their servers without user consent (opt in or not, it didn't matter). That's why there's such an uproar.Deer Hunteroops....Deliverance (cue banjo).Last edited by i_plod_an_dr_void; 11-23-17 at 01:12 PM.
11-23-17 12:44 PMLike 0 - ...and now home-despot takes your picture when you use some of their self-check out lines. That goes into a database along with your purchases. What happens after that? one can only imagine...Do you have any say in that? Sir Can I take your picture....No....Too bad, I'll take it anyways. Can we then go and stalk the board of directors and record their every move? What do you think? No you would get your a** whipped if you tried. But its okay really, I'm just anonymizing his name, where's the harm? In the data world your picture is your name/id, your retina is your name/id, your fingerprint is your name/id....etc...you are now possibly in the eyesights of the Deer Hunter (cue banjo).G_Unit MVP and cyberdoggie like this.11-23-17 01:04 PMLike 2
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Google does circumvent their own permission system to collect data for a more than fishy reason
It's the same Apple did several years ago where I guess many of the former BB10 users laught cause of the insecurity of apple devices.G_Unit MVP likes this.11-23-17 01:05 PMLike 1 - Well, you're being recorded anyway in many stores by security cameras and you have the option of just using a cashier or shopping online so it's not really the same thing. In this case a user could opt out of Google's telemetry program, disable location services, permissions and Google will still send back location data in secret.
I have the name for the next version of Android.....P....it should be called Pandora's Box .CrackNutRun likes this.11-23-17 01:27 PMLike 1 - They will keep collecting your data. They all will. Even BB collected your data. It's how companies accomplish many tasks for many reasons good or bad. Participate in society, or don't. You leave a footprint either way. Like the eye of a hurricane, the storm and the calm are both visible....11-23-17 01:58 PMLike 3
- I posted this in the other thread on this subject:
No third party gets access to your private data. Google "sells" the data, but doesn't release the data.
But you do understand that in return you get access to a ton of apps and services, right? It's an agreed upon mutual relationship.
My location data has little value to me. This is a way that I can CHOOSE (by buying a Google phone and accepting the TOS) to monetize that information for MY benefit. I look at it as Google purchasing that data from ME.
If not for Google and others like them, the services that I now have access to would cost me many thousands of dollars - if I could even get them at all. Quite a bargain for my location and browsing habits.Fastmarc likes this.11-23-17 02:19 PMLike 1 - I posted this in the other thread on this subject:
No third party gets access to your private data. Google "sells" the data, but doesn't release the data.
But you do understand that in return you get access to a ton of apps and services, right? It's an agreed upon mutual relationship.
My location data has little value to me. This is a way that I can CHOOSE (by buying a Google phone and accepting the TOS) to monetize that information for MY benefit. I look at it as Google purchasing that data from ME.
If not for Google and others like them, the services that I now have access to would cost me many thousands of dollars - if I could even get them at all. Quite a bargain for my location and browsing habits.11-23-17 02:31 PMLike 0
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