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  1. AWB70's Avatar
    Where is the option for decrypting the memory card? My usb port had packed up and not charging do I need to get my encrypted card out before I lose all charge. Wheres the setting to decrypt?
    07-10-17 06:29 PM
  2. conite's Avatar
    SD cards set up as portable storage are not encrypted.

    SD cards set up as extended internal storage are encrypted and become an integral part of the device storage - as such it can't be removed or decrypted.
    07-10-17 06:38 PM
  3. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    07-10-17 06:51 PM
  4. AWB70's Avatar
    Oh right, was back in bb10 days there. To be fair when I was sitting thinking what I needed to get off the memory card first, what was most important I realised that most stuff was already backed up via various means.
    Strange thing happened, plugged the phone in while knocked off and the phone charged up. Knocked the phone on again and it seemed to charge fine, came home tonight and again it still appears to be charging. That would suggest that the charger was at fault by not putting out enough power to charge the phone whilst switched on. I find it hard to believe that though with three different chargers that I've never had issues with before, two of them being genuine dtek50 chargers that came with the phones.
    BlackBerry have sent me out a ticket number and what my address is to send the phone back for repair. Dilemma is do I send it just in case it happens again. Out of curiosity, does anybody know if you have charge level set to on on the home screen does the line refresh now and again? Trying to work out if the phone is constantly charging and not disconnecting at any point.
    Also wondering if this may be software related rather than hardware as it seemed to charge without issue when the os wasn't running, worth a wipe maybe?
    07-11-17 05:20 PM
  5. anon(10268214)'s Avatar
    SD cards set up as portable storage are not encrypted.

    SD cards set up as extended internal storage are encrypted and become an integral part of the device storage - as such it can't be removed or decrypted.
    For a BlackBerry, yes. But it's not a typical Android thing which is worth pointing out. For example, on my S7 I can encrypt and decrypt an SDcard (exactly the same as BB10) but I cannot format as system memory and install apps on it.
    07-11-17 07:19 PM
  6. AWB70's Avatar
    The ability to do both would be handy but because of the dtek50 relatively low storage you really need to use as extended storage.
    07-12-17 03:23 AM
  7. crackberry_geek's Avatar
    I have to ask... and this is not intended to be snarky... but I have to ask... you mean on the most secure Android in the world it's not possible to encrypt the SD card when used as portable storage... like it is possible on many others?
    07-22-17 03:44 PM
  8. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    I have to ask... and this is not intended to be snarky... but I have to ask... you mean on the most secure Android in the world it's not possible to encrypt the SD card when used as portable storage... like it is possible on many others?
    It wouldn't make a ton of sense to do so, since the whole POINT of having portable storage is to be able to move the card from device to device at will. An encrypted card would be useless outside the phone, and that's not how the vast majority use removable storage.

    SD cards can be encrypted, but only if you use them as adoptable storage - where encryption makes far more sense.

    Point being: it was a design choice, made to accommodate the vast majority who prefer it this way.
    07-22-17 06:29 PM
  9. crackberry_geek's Avatar
    It wouldn't make a ton of sense to do so, since the whole POINT of having portable storage is to be able to move the card from device to device at will. An encrypted card would be useless outside the phone, and that's not how the vast majority use removable storage.

    SD cards can be encrypted, but only if you use them as adoptable storage - where encryption makes far more sense.

    Point being: it was a design choice, made to accommodate the vast majority who prefer it this way.
    There are all kinds of reasons why one would want to encrypt portable storage... not the least of which is the limited read/write cycles before failure of such flash storage. Of course some would want to encrypt data that is backed up for recovery in case of failure... but not immediately available to someone picking up a lost or stolen phone.

    That's exactly why it was an option on BB10... as well as many current Android phones for that matter.

    I'm astonished it's not available on the most secure Android on the planet... but that's because it's not.
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    07-22-17 07:47 PM
  10. crackberry_geek's Avatar
    After further thought and study, it is utterly unbelievable that BlackDroids don't allow SD card encryption.

    For this reason alone I have moved on... first time in 15 years I'm now non BlackBerry.

    Turns out many of my client's NDA's require encryption if I store any of their data.

    Shame on me for naively violating such requirements when I bought into johnny's lies of "most secure Android". I dumbly assumed my SD card was encrypted with the Encrypt feature... my bad.

    More importantly... shame on johnny for the lies!
    08-10-17 07:56 AM
  11. AWB70's Avatar
    But the card can be encrypted. They will then be decrypted if you say uploaded the files to cloud storage so I guess it does work. Would just be handy to be able to decrypt and remove if you want so as such it probably is the safest option.
    08-11-17 02:11 PM
  12. crackberry_geek's Avatar
    But the card can be encrypted. They will then be decrypted if you say uploaded the files to cloud storage so I guess it does work. Would just be handy to be able to decrypt and remove if you want so as such it probably is the safest option.
    Incorrect. It can only be encrypted if formatted as adoptable storage... a very risky choice given that SD cards can and do fail. And in the adoptable storage mode your entire phone would then be fritzed.

    SD card as external storage cannot be encryped on BlackDroids... something that just by itself should knock them off of any list of secure phones.

    johnny said he would only go Android if it could be secured.

    He lied.
    09-11-17 11:37 AM
  13. Thud Hardsmack's Avatar
    Incorrect. It can only be encrypted if formatted as adoptable storage... a very risky choice given that SD cards can and do fail. And in the adoptable storage mode your entire phone would then be fritzed.

    SD card as external storage cannot be encryped on BlackDroids... something that just by itself should knock them off of any list of secure phones.

    johnny said he would only go Android if it could be secured.

    He lied.
    Is this unique to BlackBerry Android? Everybody else can encrypt the SD card separately because most devices have adoptable storage disabled.

    Edit: indeed it's true. Utter fail, BlackBerry.
    Last edited by Fret Madden; 09-11-17 at 11:52 AM.
    09-11-17 11:41 AM
  14. AWB70's Avatar
    I suppose it's up to the end user but BlackBerry have provided the facility so as such like all things it's up to you.
    We all know hardware can fail including the mem card so where do you back that up and how secure is that?

    If you store stuff on a mem card and say for arguments sake that it was decrypted should you smash your phone which is the most likely scenario you still couldn't get your stuff back anyway because like in bb10 days you need that phone to decrypt that card so it's a double edge sword I guess.

    Most people auto backup contacts through whichever email client they use , photos and vids to Google or One Drive and because of limited storage on the dtek50 important docs I personally use Dropbox.

    Essentially my worry would be loss of my phone and what access the finder has to its contents and with the mem card as adoptable storage I know they have very little if anything.

    If people go down the route of putting important stuff on an unencrypted mem card when they have the option of not for the sake of easiness then they're in the same league as people who use 1234 as a password.

    Basically BlackBerry have gave you the choice and if you choose not to use it then that's not their fault really I guess.

    That's not an insecure phone but an insecure end user, everything is only as secure as you are.
    09-11-17 11:53 AM
  15. conite's Avatar
    BlackBerry UEM can enforce the Adoptable storage rule for SD cards. Otherwise, they are locked out.
    09-11-17 12:02 PM
  16. AWB70's Avatar
    "Edit: indeed it's true. Utter fail, BlackBerry"

    There maybe a reason for this, I'm not sure. BlackBerry has a way of securing the device and makes it impossible to get access to. Adopting the mem card means that as such the mem card becomes part of the device and as such under the BlackBerry os umbrella.

    Obviously other brands have went down the route of keeping the card as a separate entity but the device can be hacked so if the device can be hacked and the card can be decrypted by a hackable device then how secure is that?

    Furthermore I see plenty of complaints that people want to make extra storage available but can't so once they load up with apps they have no mem left for installing more.

    Doesn't seem to matter how phones do it, they seem to rob Peter to pay Paul but on BlackBerry droid you have the choice of all three options.
    09-11-17 12:02 PM
  17. Thud Hardsmack's Avatar
    I suppose it's up to the end user but BlackBerry have provided the facility so as such like all things it's up to you.
    We all know hardware can fail including the mem card so where do you back that up and how secure is that?

    If you store stuff on a mem card and say for arguments sake that it was decrypted should you smash your phone which is the most likely scenario you still couldn't get your stuff back anyway because like in bb10 days you need that phone to decrypt that card so it's a double edge sword I guess.

    Most people auto backup contacts through whichever email client they use , photos and vids to Google or One Drive and because of limited storage on the dtek50 important docs I personally use Dropbox.

    Essentially my worry would be loss of my phone and what access the finder has to its contents and with the mem card as adoptable storage I know they have very little if anything.

    If people go down the route of putting important stuff on an unencrypted mem card when they have the option of not for the sake of easiness then they're in the same league as people who use 1234 as a password.

    Basically BlackBerry have gave you the choice and if you choose not to use it then that's not their fault really I guess.

    That's not an insecure phone but an insecure end user, everything is only as secure as you are.
    You're missing the key point that, unless I'm not aware of them, all other Android devices include the option to encrypt the SD card, just the same as BB10, and post Android 6 the internal storage is encrypted by default. Someone with blueprints neglected to include SD card encryption along with the SD card slot. Or they should not have included the SD card if they were intentionally leaving encryption out.

    So yes, it's not as secure a device as they're claiming.
    09-11-17 12:04 PM
  18. AWB70's Avatar
    But they have haven't they? Use it as extended storage and encrypt it no?
    09-11-17 12:12 PM
  19. conite's Avatar
    But they have haven't they? Use it as extended storage and encrypt it no?
    You can't encrypt portable storage on BlackBerry Android. Only adoptable.

    BlackBerry UEM, as I mentioned above, can lock out the SD card unless it's configured as adoptable.

    It seems BlackBerry is not sufficiently confident in the security of external encryption.
    09-11-17 12:14 PM
  20. AWB70's Avatar
    So can someone explain the benefit of the card not being adopted? That's what I'm struggling with.

    Adopted you can install apps, save files there. Still needs backed up preferably to the cloud. Card or phone fails happy days.

    External storage you can't install apps but get more storage for files but still needs backed up somewhere.

    If you want to back up the card you could just use a USB stick with USB micro adapter for quickness if cloud isn't your thing.

    Sorry if I'm missing the point I just don't see what the big deal is, just roses of a different colour to me that both have the same net results.
    09-11-17 12:20 PM
  21. conite's Avatar
    So can someone explain the benefit of the card not being adopted? That's what I'm struggling with.

    Adopted you can install apps, save files there. Still needs backed up preferably to the cloud. Card or phone fails happy days.

    External storage you can't install apps but get more storage for files but still needs backed up somewhere.

    If you want to back up the card you could just use a USB stick with USB micro adapter for quickness if cloud isn't your thing.

    Sorry if I'm missing the point I just don't see what the big deal is, just roses of a different colour to me that both have the same net results.
    As a consumer, portable storage makes it easy to move your documents and media between devices.

    You also need a very fast, high quality card for adoptable storage - which is more expensive.
    09-11-17 12:23 PM
  22. Thud Hardsmack's Avatar
    So can someone explain the benefit of the card not being adopted? That's what I'm struggling with.

    Adopted you can install apps, save files there. Still needs backed up preferably to the cloud. Card or phone fails happy days.

    External storage you can't install apps but get more storage for files but still needs backed up somewhere.

    If you want to back up the card you could just use a USB stick with USB micro adapter for quickness if cloud isn't your thing.

    Sorry if I'm missing the point I just don't see what the big deal is, just roses of a different colour to me that both have the same net results.
    Internal, external, adopted - it all needs backed up locally and/or remotely. Always.

    That being said, SD cards weren't designed for the application of adoptable storage. Good idea, but it's too risky at the moment. Using adoptable storage means users must make absolutely sure the card is fast enough, even though it's not going to be anything close to internal flash transfer speeds. Also, it will wear the card out sooner than it would being used as it was designed, plus the device itself can freak out with errors if the card is removed because its owner forgot the card can't be removed anymore.
    09-11-17 01:03 PM
  23. crackberry_geek's Avatar
    So can someone explain the benefit of the card not being adopted? That's what I'm struggling with.

    Adopted you can install apps, save files there. Still needs backed up preferably to the cloud. Card or phone fails happy days.

    External storage you can't install apps but get more storage for files but still needs backed up somewhere.

    If you want to back up the card you could just use a USB stick with USB micro adapter for quickness if cloud isn't your thing.

    Sorry if I'm missing the point I just don't see what the big deal is, just roses of a different colour to me that both have the same net results.
    If your configuration is adopted storage and your SD card goes on the fritz... your entire phone is hosed. Complete wipe and reload of everything then required. Not a risk I can afford to take when I need my phone at a moments notice.

    If external SD goes bad you simply pop a new one in and reload all your data to it from a backup.
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    09-11-17 02:57 PM
  24. AWB70's Avatar
    OK, I can see the downside of that. Not a big deal though with everything in the cloud, for me I guess anyway.
    09-11-17 02:59 PM
  25. AWB70's Avatar
    So, when you wipe the phone the card gets wiped too?
    09-11-17 05:14 PM
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