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  1. ryder55's Avatar
    Use greenify non root mode. For a non rooted phone, that's the best option to automatically manage your android apps. For permission management, always use "apk permission pro". You can get these files on aptoide market. Apk permission pro works great to deny apps permission you don't need. I use swiftkey keyboard but I removed the full Internet permission using apk permission pro as third party keyboards can be susceptible to key logging.

    Blackberrys 10 android apps run for sure on the background and I've tested this myself.

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    03-09-17 11:06 AM
  2. Thud Hardsmack's Avatar
    Well we decided to do this experiment due to the poor battery life as you said. He is now trying Greenify as an aid and tomorrow we will have a list of apps that restarted and more information to share.
    Thank you for sharing this info with us I will take that into account and let him know. It is possible he will be rooting his LG-G3 if he can't get a better grip on the battery and apps.

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    I gave Greenify a spin as well a while back, when I was still learning what works and what doesn't. Seriously, just let the system handle it - any software used without root is just going to backfire.
    03-09-17 11:10 AM
  3. The_Passporter's Avatar
    I gave Greenify a spin as well a while back, when I was still learning what works and what doesn't. Seriously, just let the system handle it - any software used without root is just going to backfire.
    Why do you say that? I know that after rooting my Samsung I was satisfied with my control over what apps were running and permanently disabled all the Samsung bloat-wear. I did not know of greenify then but we will discover this backfire theory you believe soon I hope.

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    03-09-17 11:41 AM
  4. The_Passporter's Avatar
    Use greenify non root mode. For a non rooted phone, that's the best option to automatically manage your android apps. For permission management, always use "apk permission pro". You can get these files on aptoide market. Apk permission pro works great to deny apps permission you don't need. I use swiftkey keyboard but I removed the full Internet permission using apk permission pro as third party keyboards can be susceptible to key logging.

    Blackberrys 10 android apps run for sure on the background and I've tested this myself.

    Posted via CB10
    Yes they do run in the background if left unchecked but once Force Stopped there is no issues until you restart them again.
    Again the only app I can't stop from restarting is Skype.

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    03-09-17 11:45 AM
  5. conite's Avatar
    On BB10 in android settings I am able to kill (force stop) any Android apps I don't want running until I open them. The only one I've found to be rogue is Skype.
    I use the android app Taskmanager to easily keep an eye on which open.

    Posted via CB10
    You're not paying attention.

    As I mentioned above, BB10 cannot run Android apps in the background unless it is one of the extremely rare headless apps - of which Skype is the only one I'm aware of.
    03-09-17 11:45 AM
  6. Thud Hardsmack's Avatar
    Why do you say that? I know that after rooting my Samsung I was satisfied with my control over what apps were running and permanently disabled all the Samsung bloat-wear. I did not know of greenify then but we will discover this backfire theory you believe soon I hope.

    Posted via CB10
    That's what I said - trying to control the system without rooting will backfire, those apps are doing nothing that a user can't already do, it's just like handing your phone to someone else so you don't have to take care of it yourself.
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    03-09-17 11:47 AM
  7. The_Passporter's Avatar
    You're not paying attention.

    As I mentioned above, BB10 cannot run Android apps in the background unless it is one of the extremely rare headless apps - of which Skype is the only one I'm aware of.
    Ok maybe I'm not understanding what your saying exactly. Let me expand on what I've experienced. If no apps are Force Stopped then even after a reboot I was experiencing a strange interruption in a BB10 music app or android Pocketcast app where the players stopped and paused. I would have to restart them many times. I downloaded Taskmanager and discovered many Android apps were firing up and causing the pausing interruption. After I discovered that Force Stop would keep them shut down I had no more issues when playing anything. If ever I get a pause I fire up the Taskmanager and there it is, an Android app I forgot to Force Stop.

    This tells me they do run in the background unless manually killed.

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    03-09-17 12:22 PM
  8. gizmo21's Avatar
    I said to give examples, because usually force stops actually works.

    From my tests 6 months ago, I force stopped Facebook and looked if it started its processes again for a full day and it didn't.

    BB10 has background processes as well. They are known as headless apps and last time I checked they were non-manageable by the user (but my BB10 development knowledge is pretty old at this point in time)
    Usually yes, but not on WhatsApp e.g., but could be Hub integration that let's it start-up again. Haven't tried to kick it out of Hub and force stop it then.
    03-09-17 12:22 PM
  9. conite's Avatar
    This tells me they do run in the background unless manually killed.

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    Well they don't. Period.
    03-09-17 12:29 PM
  10. Emaderton3's Avatar
    You're not paying attention.

    As I mentioned above, BB10 cannot run Android apps in the background unless it is one of the extremely rare headless apps - of which Skype is the only one I'm aware of.
    Perhaps they are not "running" but still open and using some RAM? If I open 3 apps from Amazon, close them, then go into ghost commander, they will show as running. Then I have to force close. If I open ghost commander again, the apps are not running.

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    03-09-17 12:31 PM
  11. conite's Avatar
    Perhaps they are not "running" but still open and using some RAM? If I open 3 apps from Amazon, close them, then go into ghost commander, they will show as running. Then I have to force close. If I open ghost commander again, the apps are not running.

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    Yes. They will occupy ram. But this doesn't not affect battery life.
    03-09-17 12:35 PM
  12. The_Passporter's Avatar
    Well they don't. Period.
    Well I think your wrong with what I described. it's ok to be wrong ya know.
    ....................

    Besides I'm not here to debate BB10

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    03-09-17 12:44 PM
  13. conite's Avatar
    Well I think your wrong with what I described. it's ok to be wrong ya know.
    ....................

    Besides I'm not here to debate BB10

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    https://developer.blackberry.com/and..._software.html
    "Apps can run services only while the user runs them, either in full screen or in thumbnail mode."
    03-09-17 12:52 PM
  14. ryder55's Avatar
    Haha he has sent that link before. They do run in the background using system resources as they bloat up the android runtime, that's why you experience lag whenever you don't foreclose apps or you're able to receive email through an android app or a notification. They can start processes in the background whenever. Conite has the penchant to believe anything he sees written out on paper for some reason.

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    03-09-17 01:10 PM
  15. conite's Avatar
    Conite has the penchant to believe anything he sees written out on paper for some reason.

    Posted via CB10
    Umm, that's the developer spec for the Runtime.

    If you don't believe me, but how about Cobalt?

    "Oh I love this question about Android apps eating up battery in the background. What I'm telling you now is backed up by the Blackberry Developer Site and is valid for ANY Android app on your device:

    From the Blackberry developer docs about the Blackberry Android runtime (Jelly Bean):
    * Apps can run services only while the user runs them, either in full screen or in thumbnail mode.
    * https://developer.blackberry.com/and..._software.html

    What does that mean? The Blackberry Android runtime does NOT allow Android apps to run any services in the background. Period. As soon as the screen goes off (battery saving mode, sleep mode), ANY Android app will stop working in the background. A good example to explain this may be light in your fridge. Everytime you open the door of your fridge, the light is on, right? So we must assume, that the light in the fridge is permanently on? No, it's not. It's triggered when you open the door and it goes off when you close the door.

    The only way to get an Android app to run permanently in the background is to implement Blackberry Headless mode. This must be requested from blackberry, and usually those apps are then ONLY avaliable on Blackberry World as a ported Android app (an example is Skype). All other Android apps that you download from anywhere else do NOT incorporate Headless mode and CANNOT run in the background.

    Now I already hear all the "specialists" that are saying "Hey, but I'm running task manager xyz and there are a lot of services running on my device and I cleaned them and now everything is great"

    Well, that simply isn't true. Running a task manager app is just like opening the door on the fridge. The light is now on. But if you close the taskmanager and the device goes to sleep, all services are stopped again.

    The second thing that you should know about background services is, that against the common believe, they do not RUN in the background. They register a trigger in the Android runtime. The registering service itself is not running. Now if the Android runtime receives an Intent, it will look if a services was registered for the intent and THEN will start the service. The service will do its work (i.e. sync data) and then close again. On a Blackberry device, this will only happen if:

    a) The device is NOT in sleepmode
    b) The app is open OR running in an active Frame

    If those conditions are not met, nothing happens. No services is started.*"
    03-09-17 01:15 PM
  16. The_Passporter's Avatar
    Umm, that's the developer spec for the Runtime.
    Regardless if what it says I don't see how you can logically argue what is happening with the Android apps popping up sucking Resources.

    It's plain as day what I and the other fellow with the Whatsapp APK had described. Why don't you try and explain it to us if your so sure that they are not doing what they appear to be doing instead of stopping your feet that your right

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    03-09-17 01:19 PM
  17. conite's Avatar
    Why don't you try and explain it to us if your so sure that they are not doing what they appear to be doing instead of stopping your feet that your right

    Posted via CB10
    Well, if you don't believe me, Cobalt, or the Android Runtime developer Blog, then I don't know what to say.
    03-09-17 01:21 PM
  18. The_Passporter's Avatar
    Well, if you don't believe me, Cobalt, or the Android Runtime developer Blog, then I don't know what to say.
    Well that's a relief. Maybe now we can discus the Android side of this lol

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    03-09-17 01:23 PM
  19. conite's Avatar
    Well that's a relief. Maybe now we can discus the Android side of this lol

    Posted via CB10
    All I did was make a quick statement of fact. It was you who decided to argue the matter. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me what you believe. I just wanted to clear it up for anyone else that was reading this thread. But yes carry on to the original topic.
    03-09-17 01:25 PM
  20. The_Passporter's Avatar
    All I did was make a quick statement of fact. It was you who decided to argue the matter. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me what you believe. I just wanted to clear it up for anyone else that was reading this thread. But yes carry on to the original topic.
    All I did was provide proof that your incorrect so I'm ok with getting back to topic yes thanks.

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    03-09-17 01:27 PM
  21. conite's Avatar
    All I did was provide proof that your incorrect so I'm ok with getting back to topic yes thanks.

    Posted via CB10
    There can be any number of other technical possibilities for stuttering music. It is very possible that those apps are looking for other services to connect with, and momentarily wake those other services while searching - much like a task manager.
    03-09-17 01:32 PM
  22. The_Passporter's Avatar
    There can be any number of other technical possibilities for stuttering music. It is very possible that those apps are looking for other services to connect with, and momentarily wake those other services while searching - much like a task manager.
    Which apps are you referring to?

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    03-09-17 01:36 PM
  23. ryder55's Avatar
    How can an app register an intent without starting a process thread? If say I install k9 browser android app to check my mail every 30 minutes, and it sends me mail without being on full operation mode, or minimized, how is that not running in the background? Or how do apps tie up system processes when already closed and are not headless? Man!

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    03-09-17 01:37 PM
  24. conite's Avatar
    How can an app register an intent without starting a process thread? If say I install k9 browser android app to check my mail every 30 minutes, and it sends me mail without being on full operation mode, or minimized, how is that not running in the background? Or how do apps tie up system processes when already closed and are not headless? Man!

    Posted via CB10
    As Cobalt describes it, the intent is registered in the Android Runtime when the app is first opened.

    When the Android Runtime receives an intent, it will check to see what service was registered to that intent, open it, allow it to sync, and then close it. Notifications are provided directly through the Runtime itself, without having to wake a service and having an app open.
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    03-09-17 01:44 PM
  25. ryder55's Avatar
    An android runtime registering an intent. Haha you mean running a process in the background but calling it a different name lol. Hmm

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    03-09-17 02:23 PM
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