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  1. Fool Guy's Avatar
    I was certain that you were being sarcastic all the up until I saw your signature and then I realized that you definitely wasn't.

    The only thing about the Z30 that was ever "high end" was its price. Even on release date, it was far behind the competition when it came to hardware.
    Some members here have a kind of Android syndrome.
    They always cry for Penta/Octa core 4/8 gb RAM, 1080p or even 4k screen with nuclear powerhouse. 5.5 inch screen etc etc...
    Yes Z30 doesn't have any of these so really Z30 is very very low end device.
    But still Z30 is best touch phone Blackberry made till date.
    03-04-15 07:00 AM
  2. anon1727506's Avatar
    Some members here have a kind of Android syndrome.
    They always cry for Penta/Octa core 4/8 gb RAM, 1080p or even 4k screen with nuclear powerhouse. 5.5 inch screen etc etc...
    Yes Z30 doesn't have any of these so really Z30 is very very low end device.
    But still Z30 is best touch phone Blackberry made till date.
    Some people just want the "best"... which is why most manufactures release new and improved products on a regular basis.

    This has long been a "BlackBerry" theme... and over the years I've found that when BlackBerry doesn't provide what the whiners want... they will eventually go away. Which is why BlackBerry is at less than 1% marketshare.
    03-04-15 07:19 AM
  3. cr4igora's Avatar
    The Leap is a Z10 in a different body and with a larger battery. That's all.
    nah. its a low-end device.
    So what is the point of it then, now the Z3 is available outside of Indonesia and now has OS 10.3 available to it?
    03-04-15 07:25 AM
  4. pbfan's Avatar
    Any high end devices must have return/home/menu buttons.
    03-04-15 07:35 AM
  5. kbz1960's Avatar
    So what is the point of it then, now the Z3 is available outside of Indonesia and now has OS 10.3 available to it?
    For enterprise and it has an LTE radio which the 3 does not.
    03-04-15 07:42 AM
  6. LuvULongTime's Avatar
    Exactly, well said. It's not the end of the world. May just be the end of bb for some.
    Or the end of BB.
    03-04-15 07:46 AM
  7. crazigee's Avatar
    No has even seen the device though. For all you know it could be as thin as a Z30 or thinner. I can see where you and other are coming from though. I think they only way for BlackBerry to satisfy everyone is to enable a virtual keyboard should the user not slide the device open. It's the only way to maintain the best of both worlds.

    Honestly though, in a market saturated by all touch devices, BlackBerry is really not going to make any money with all touch devices. I would love a new Z30 though, don't get me wrong.

    Posted via CB10
    Regardless of how thick or thin the device is, it would be thinner and lighter if it wasn't a slider. And you aren't going to be able to get highly protective cases the was you would if it was all touch.

    The reality is that BlackBerry aren't going to make any money by continually alienating people with their insistence on releasing nothing but PKB devices. That's what got them into trouble in the first place. PKB is a small niche, and sliders are even smaller market segment.

     Posted using my Z30 via CB10 
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    03-04-15 07:51 AM
  8. dguy123's Avatar
    Very disappointing that BlackBerry still hasn't figured out that all touch is what the majority want. No reason to abandon the PKB market, but solely focusing on one PKB device after another without a single high end touch device is madness.

    So sad. A high end device exactly like the new slider but without the keyboard would have sold very well.

     Posted using my Z30 via CB10 
    To consumers... and if history serves, not even to them.

    A lower cost all touch is much more appealing to a company supplying devices to a large number of employees. Many companies are discovering Byod has its challenges, so an all touch fleet phone makes more sense.
    Sorry.

    Posted via CB10
    03-04-15 07:56 AM
  9. crackberry_geek's Avatar
    With the three devices announced today, BlackBerry gave its faithful exactly what nobody was asking for.
    That's about as succinct as anyone can put it.

    Spot on... Chen is so clueless.

    Posted via CB10
    03-04-15 07:58 AM
  10. crazigee's Avatar
    Sorry but that's simply incorrect. Where are you getting the information that companies want cheap devices to give to their employees?

    Companies want their employees to carry one device and actually use the device they supply instead of their own. That doesn't happen when the device they are supplying is a cheap, low end phone.

    While companies aren't going to supply a Porsche Design phone, they are definitely willing to supply a high end device.

     Posted using my Z30 via CB10 
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    03-04-15 08:01 AM
  11. crazigee's Avatar
    That's about as succinct as anyone can put it.

    Spot on... Chen is so clueless.

    Posted via CB10
    Yup. Another device targeting a tiny segment of the market while all of us that switched to all touch are forgotten.

     Posted using my Z30 via CB10 
    03-04-15 08:02 AM
  12. cr4igora's Avatar
    For enterprise and it has an LTE radio which the 3 does not.
    When you say "for Enterprise", does that mean you cannot use Exchange ActiveSync on the Z3, or the Z3 cannot be managed on a BES platform? You've lost me.

    Admittedly the better network capability is a bonus but surely that, plus the improved storage capacity and the better battery life, just make this a slightly better budget phone? It has such fractionally better specifications over the Z10 (except it's much thicker and heavier) that it hardly seems worth producing at all.

    I'm with pttptppt on this one. We didn't need another keyboard-laden device and we didn't need a new clunky version of the Z10. I hope they bring out a flagship all-touch replacement to the Z30 soon to counter the disappointment of these new devices.
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    03-04-15 08:11 AM
  13. gg bb's Avatar
    I can already sense the numerous small components that could wear out and break with repeated keyboard removal and attachment.

    Posted via CB10
    Like what the keyboard would have a short range radio contactless communication, no wires no silly contacts

    Posted via CB10
    03-04-15 08:39 AM
  14. George Guirguis's Avatar
    Any high end devices must have return/home/menu buttons.
    Passport, Porsche p9983. It doesn't need to have these buttons to be high end. These phones are innovative and got rid of the need for these buttons.

    Posted via CB10
    03-04-15 08:48 AM
  15. George Guirguis's Avatar
    Sorry but that's simply incorrect. Where are you getting the information that companies want cheap devices to give to their employees?

    Companies want their employees to carry one device and actually use the device they supply instead of their own. That doesn't happen when the device they are supplying is a cheap, low end phone.

    While companies aren't going to supply a Porsche Design phone, they are definitely willing to supply a high end device.

     Posted using my Z30 via CB10 
    True but not all companies want to pay for high end devices, so they buy the cheap 'low end' devices that have sufficient specs and power to get the job done. The leap may be a low end cheap phone but it can definitely get the job done. It has just enough specs that are needed for work.

    Posted via CB10
    03-04-15 08:51 AM
  16. birdman_38's Avatar
    True but not all companies want to pay for high end devices, so they buy the cheap 'low end' devices that have sufficient specs and power to get the job done. The leap may be a low end cheap phone but it can definitely get the job done. It has just enough specs that are needed for work.
    The question now is why would a company buy a fleet of $275 BlackBerry handsets with limited app selection when they could buy a $200 Android with similar specs and far greater app selection, secured by BES 12?
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    03-04-15 09:31 AM
  17. rbtg's Avatar
    They can build there own app and also they don't need any apps with permissions

    Posted via CB10
    03-04-15 10:00 AM
  18. anon(8982767)'s Avatar
    You're right I want a higher end device and blackberry won't be getting my money any time soon until I see a z40 or z50 sorry blackberry I will be holding on to my z30 and I really would buy a new touch screen phone for 500-600 I don't mind just make the device and my money is yours this is really not fair a lot of people want a higher end device so why not make one blackberry needs to listen to their customers because if they don't then they will leave to either the iPhone 6/6 plus or the Samsung galaxy note 4 or samsung s6 so blackberry you want us to stay or leave because I know I won't leave ever buy a lot of people will
    03-04-15 12:20 PM
  19. anon(8982767)'s Avatar
    You're right and I really want a z40 or z50 and I believe they will make one to make u happy I know you're upset but just stay positive and think positive u never know they might come out with a z40 or z50 at Christmas time so we can be happy
    03-04-15 12:29 PM
  20. tufcustomer's Avatar
    Regardless of how thick or thin the device is, it would be thinner and lighter if it wasn't a slider. And you aren't going to be able to get highly protective cases the was you would if it was all touch.

    The reality is that BlackBerry aren't going to make any money by continually alienating people with their insistence on releasing nothing but PKB devices. That's what got them into trouble in the first place. PKB is a small niche, and sliders are even smaller market segment.

     Posted using my Z30 via CB10 
    Because the Z10 and Z30 sold well enough to justify a new all touch? Remember BB10 launched with an all touch device,not a PKB. Said device (Z10) sold miserably. Touch screens maybe the largest segment, but thus far BlackBerry hasn't proven it's one they can be successful in. That's the reality. This coming from someone who would love a Z30 successor, hell I don't even have a problem with my Z30.

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    03-04-15 12:43 PM
  21. kbz1960's Avatar
    Because the Z10 and Z30 sold well enough to justify a new all touch? Remember BB10 launched with an all touch device,not a PKB. Said device (Z10) sold miserably. Touch screens maybe the largest segment, but thus far BlackBerry hasn't proven it's one they can be successful in. That's the reality. This coming from someone who would love a Z30 successor, hell I don't even have a problem with my Z30.

    Posted via CB10
    How many more have the PKB ones sold?
    03-04-15 01:02 PM
  22. joeldf's Avatar
    Because the Z10 and Z30 sold well enough to justify a new all touch? Remember BB10 launched with an all touch device,not a PKB. Said device (Z10) sold miserably. Touch screens maybe the largest segment, but thus far BlackBerry hasn't proven it's one they can be successful in. That's the reality. This coming from someone who would love a Z30 successor, hell I don't even have a problem with my Z30.

    Posted via CB10
    BlackBerry's problem with sales has nothing to do with the device itself, or what format they chose to make them. After all, the Z10 had great initial interest.

    The problem was - and still is to this day - marketing.

    At the Z10 launch, the marketing message was so confusing and misguided, that no one knew what really differentiated it from any other phone. Then, in the U.S., the carriers delayed the launch for so long that what brief interest there was, was totally lost. The new Samsung phones were announced, and speculation of the next iPhone had everyone's attention.

    The Q10 IS a physical keyboard device, came out soon after, and it didn't do any better - maybe worse.

    People here get hung up on one format being a favorite of so-called "BlackBerry enthusiasts". Yet, again and again - sales are proving otherwise.

    Are there fans of the PKB? Sure.

    Are there fans of the full touch? Sure. And they should be no less important to BlackBerry.

    BlackBerry now has to actually sell the phones. Even to the enterprise/corporate customer. At this point, many in corporate and the enterprise are now already on all touch phones. They've moved on.

    BlackBerry now has to sell what makes them special. And if they do it right, it won't matter what format they make their phones in. As long as it does what's expected. You can have your PKB, and the all touch, and the slider. Sell the BlackBerry Service.

    Apple didn't sell the fact that their phone was an all touch device back in '07. They sold an experience. It just happened to be done on an all touch device. BlackBerry needs to do something similar. I don't know what that is, but they need to get off their arses and market BlackBerry. When done right, the devices will follow that message.

    I think it would be okay to even mass market their corporate/enterprise-centric aspects to the general public. Make them seen again. Not everyone is the intended target, but cast a wide enough net, and actual corporate/enterprise interested parties will take notice.

    Not everyone needs a ***** pill, yet they market the heck out of Viagra and similar meds all over various media outlets. I realize I'm comparing the advertising budget of Major Pharmaceutical to that of BlackBerry. But i think the general idea still applies.



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    03-04-15 02:34 PM
  23. DaedalusIcarusHelios's Avatar
    Sorry but that's simply incorrect. Where are you getting the information that companies want cheap devices to give to their employees?

    Companies want their employees to carry one device and actually use the device they supply instead of their own. That doesn't happen when the device they are supplying is a cheap, low end phone.

    While companies aren't going to supply a Porsche Design phone, they are definitely willing to supply a high end device.

     Posted using my Z30 via CB10 
    My company, the US office anyway, has decided to have the Note 4 as their standard. That's a $299 phone on contract (but we do get $50 off). They used to just have $199 phones they'd pay for and the rest the employee had to pay, but since the Note 4 does well with our online products and is great for demonstrations, they've decided to pay the extra money for it.

    I'm sure in larger companies, cost is a factor for non-executives, but I think the Leap isn't quite what is needed in the US. I think a $400 device with better specs would have been more appropriate for the mid-range market, but maybe they realized they couldn't really compete there either.
    03-04-15 02:36 PM
  24. Anthony Roberts5's Avatar
    Ughh I'm so angry right now. I want a high end touch device - something comparable to iPhones - but instead, we get a slider.

    I DON'T WANT A PKB!!! I don't like pkb and that's why there's all those pkb devices such as the passport.

    Why can't BlackBerry just yank off that keyboard and sell it as an all touch. It'd sell much better.

    And finally, to end my rant, why make the screen curved? What does that help with????

    Posted via CB10
    You say that now but I can guarantee you at the launch event you will be all over that phone. Also you can use the touch screen virtual keyboard...you are NOT forced to use the keyboard.
    03-04-15 03:00 PM
  25. crazigee's Avatar
    Because the Z10 and Z30 sold well enough to justify a new all touch? Remember BB10 launched with an all touch device,not a PKB. Said device (Z10) sold miserably. Touch screens maybe the largest segment, but thus far BlackBerry hasn't proven it's one they can be successful in. That's the reality. This coming from someone who would love a Z30 successor, hell I don't even have a problem with my Z30.

    Posted via CB10
    Did the Q5 sell any better? That was a budget PKB device. Terrible sales.

    How about the Q10? High end PKB device. Also miserable sales.

    Going by your logic they shouldn't release any new PKB devices since those aforementioned devices sold miserably and don't justify a new device.

    Reality is that the Z10 sold better than any other BB10 device. The reality is also that the Z10 and Z30 both over promised and under delivered, which is definitely a contributing factor in the sales numbers. Releasing a touch device that is actually competitive is key.

    You also have to accept that it will take several good devices in a row before people accept that BlackBerry is back. The first few competitive devices aren't going to cause people to come running, aside from the BlackBerry faithful.

     Posted using my Z30 via CB10 
    Last edited by crazigee; 03-04-15 at 03:23 PM.
    03-04-15 03:06 PM
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