- Just fork the Playstore, or partner with Amazon and be done with it. That clause is anti-competitive and they know it. It would not pass in any court, but no one is going to court since they want to use Google for gain. Sorry, but ending with dead device, because of stupid pro-security stance, that doesn't bring the money at the moment at the consumer level but is totally fine at higher level, is essentially stupid. Do you know why Playbook is dead, even though the hardware is good? It's because BlackBerry being stupid about it. Oh security, yeah sure, but who the hell even uses it anymore? What are your security standards good for if you end on with device that no one wants and no one wants to use. Second, why do we even need you? Oh yeah right, sometime ago your server error caused the massive WiFi problems on every BlackBerry device on the planet. Why does the wifi need to be connected to your servers? It's your problem what you do with your devices, but it's another problem when people buy it. If you go down, we don't to end with devices that will be handicapped because of your stupid "design" and because we wouldn't be able to revitalize them by loading the Android or whatever the OS we want. You already gave your encryption keys to who knows how many governments, but are still complaining about not wanting to unlock bootloader. You need to get something BlackBerry, and that's the customer's freedom to do what the hell he wants with the device. You yourself are denying that freedom by lying about the OS, closing down all the routes for the development, and by not open sourcing it and unlocking the bootloader.
1. Unlock the bootloader for both PlayBook and BB10 phones
2. Open-source the entire OS stripped from licensed parts
3. Give us the ability to make custom signed keys for it.
Maybe then BlackBerry will finally do something for its customers. Looks what HP did, it isn't that hard. You can always sell the BlackBerry OS to more mobile development capable companyLast edited by Nikola Stojic; 04-14-16 at 07:34 PM.
04-14-16 11:05 AMLike 0 - Okay, now you're just being dense.
It's called "CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS". And they are very much "LEGALLY BINDING".
Ever hear of companies suing other companies over something called "Breach of Contract"? Amounts can be in the millions of dollars - something that BlackBerry has a limited amount of.
If BlackBerry wanted to be involved with Google, Google absolutely can dictate the terms of that agreement. If BlackBerry wanted to say "No" to terminating android runtime development further, Google would simply say "Well, we are out of here. Good luck with that BB10 thing all by yourself".
You are correct that Google can't arbitrarily force BlackBerry to stop the android runtime development out of thin air. But Google absolutely can say "If you want our Android OS with full Google Play Store and Play Services installed on your new device (the Priv), then you have to stop further development of your android runtime in your other OS". BlackBerry can either agree to that or not. BlackBerry was not forced to make the agreement. They choose to agree to it.
That's how Google deals with all of their device making partners. They can all sell other devices with other full OSs - Windows being the other primary OS that most Android device makers but on other devices. But NONE of them sell a device with a forked version of Android, nor are they allowed to sell dual-boot type devices that have both Android and some other OS. ASUS tried that several years ago - and Google raised that "Breach of Contract" thing. Lawyers called lawyers, and that idea died fast.
No, we are not ever going to actually see the agreement between Google and BlackBerry. Those things are always kept confidential. But just simple facts of events tells us all we need to know. Last October was when BlackBerry made the announcement on their developer blog that the runtime was stopping where it was. One month after the Priv was announced. They did say that the current android runtime was not being removed from the OS, only that the runtime would not go beyond the "current release", and that they will continue to support "the current release". An update for BlackBerry� 10 Developers | BlackBerry Developer Blog
I don't know how much clearer it can be.
Posted via CB1004-14-16 12:42 PMLike 0 - So in other words, you really can't think of a *single* company in the world who has a license for google play and also continues to develop their own AOSP fork. That may be a clue as to a provision Google requires for Play, isn't it? Why do you think Samsung has Tizen, and not just their own Android fork (which would be a heck of a lot smarter)?
Look, there will be no 4.4 and no new API levels available in BB10's Android runtime. There are a few people here trying to explain to you why. Happy to revisit this if that ever changes.
Posted via CB1004-14-16 12:57 PMLike 0 - The Google Play Store is a service, not a piece of open-source software. How do you propose forking it?
Get Android apps on your BlackBerry 10 smartphone! Download your favorite Android apps & games from the Amazon Appstore. - United States
That worked out well.
Nope, nobody here has any proof that such an agreement exists. But once again, it doesn't really matter why the Android Runtime won't be updated. What matters is the fact that it won't be updated.JeepBB and Maxxxpower like this.04-14-16 01:25 PMLike 2 -
The last item in the development environments list (Android Runtime for BlackBerry 10) in the link I provided in my previous post tells the story.
Posted via CB10JeepBB likes this.04-14-16 03:02 PMLike 1 - The Google Play Store is a service, not a piece of open-source software. How do you propose forking it?
Get Android apps on your BlackBerry 10 smartphone! Download your favorite Android apps & games from the Amazon Appstore. - United States
That worked out well.
What clause? What nonsense are you talking about, here?
Nope, nobody here has any proof that such an agreement exists. But once again, it doesn't really matter why the Android Runtime won't be updated. What matters is the fact that it won't be updated.04-14-16 07:39 PMLike 0 -
To what level could it be integrated? What do you mean by "native store?" Pretty sure the Amazon App Store counts as "Amazon infrastructure." What specific differences would any of this make?04-14-16 08:45 PMLike 0 - Okay, post the clause. Then we'll see whether it's anti-competitive, or whether it would hold up in court. Also, what , exactly, do you think "anti-competitive" means?
To what level could it be integrated? What do you mean by "native store?" Pretty sure the Amazon App Store counts as "Amazon infrastructure." What specific differences would any of this make?
Oh and here is your clause:Originally Posted by Google[3.4 You agree that you will not take any actions that may cause or result in the fragmentation of Android, including but not limited to distributing, participating in the creation of, or promoting in any way a software development kit derived from the SDK.app_Developer likes this.04-15-16 02:31 AMLike 1 -
And complain to the EU.
Class action lawsuits would not be out of place either.04-18-16 09:19 AMLike 0 -
- I hope you're a teenager. At least then you'd have an excuse for acting like one.DrBoomBotz likes this.04-18-16 02:52 PMLike 1
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- It's not about the BB10 runtime, it's about the PRIV and it having access to Google Play. Too be honest I've never seen or heard anything that confirmed that BlackBerry was contractual prohibited, or even a member of the OHA. But most likely in order to get access to Google Apps there was a contract that did put some limitations on both the runtime and "new" BB10 devices. (and I bet Chen didn't want it made public, as it would have confirmed an end to BB10 and BB10 devices at that time)05-11-17 12:56 PMLike 0
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