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  1. Cobalt232's Avatar
    Ah wait.. No. I've patched BlackBerry OS10 to run on Android 6.0.1.
    tryfe likes this.
    04-13-16 02:22 PM
  2. Cobalt232's Avatar
    Uhm sorry, I'm confused... What are we talking about?
    04-13-16 02:32 PM
  3. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    I've patched Android 6.0.1 to work on BlackBerry OS10.

    Will upload in a few mins.

    Hope Bla1ze puts you in time out.
    04-13-16 02:50 PM
  4. joeldf's Avatar
    Okay, you're right - playstore isn't. That's a fact. But aren't there many other ways to get android apps on a phone running bb10?! Thought 'bout amazon. And the snap app isn't blackberry's fault, it's thirdparty - right? - so, why aren't they allowed to bring the newest android version to the runtime?? I don't understand.


    Posted via CB10
    If I'm understanding your question correctly, Amazon and Snap have nothing to do with updating the Android version itself. That's an OS thing. The android runtime in BB10 is simply an emulation of the Android OS. And solely a function of the BB10 OS. The Amazon App Store and Snap have nothing to do with the OS, can't change the OS, and can't modify parts of the OS.

    That's just not how it works.

    Simple fact is that BlackBerry made an agreement with Google that gives BlackBerry access to the latest Android OS with Google Play and Services, to use on the Priv. Right after the Priv went public, BlackBerry stated that the android runtime development on BB10 stops were it is and will NOT be updated further. End of story.

    From that, you can infer, regardless of whether BlackBerry is now in the OHA with Google or not, that an agreement was reached that prohibits BlackBerry from further development of the android runtime - which is considered a "fork" of Android. Anyone can run a fork of Android since it is open source - as Amazon does with their Fire tablets and phone. But not if you want access to Google Play and Services. Those things are proprietary to Google only and NOT open source.

    BlackBerry can tweak the current Android 4.3, but they can't update it to 4.4 or beyond.

    Amazon can update their fork because they continue to rely on their own services and shun Google. And, they still get some apps made for them that don't require Google Play Services. But, as more app developers fall in with Google, even Amazon has lost some newer versions of some apps.

    Posted via CB10
    04-13-16 02:54 PM
  5. anon(9607753)'s Avatar
    You know perfectly well that BB won't do that - they've said so themselves - and that they are contractually prohibited from doing so by their license with Google for Google Play.

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    Do us a favour and post your copy of BlackBerry's agreement with Google? You can probably tell that here at Crackberry, we are quite fond of BB10 fairy tales.

    Posted via CB10
    04-13-16 03:43 PM
  6. AllanQuatermain's Avatar
    Yes Troy was wrong when he said NO ONE.... should have clearly stated an insignificant few.
    soon to include Blackberry BB10 owners too.
    04-13-16 03:43 PM
  7. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Do us a favour and post your copy of BlackBerry's agreement with Google? You can probably tell that here at Crackberry, we are quite fond of BB10 fairy tales.

    Posted via CB10
    We are also fond of being spoon feed... many refused to believe that BB10 would not come to the PlayBook, even when they changed the developer Z10 to 2GB and we saw how much memory it was using.
    JeepBB likes this.
    04-13-16 04:01 PM
  8. Kryngle's Avatar
    U can find the 4.4 or higher Android runtime in any Android device.

    Posted via CB10
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    04-13-16 05:44 PM
  9. dman2009's Avatar
    My bank has upgrade there software with payment nfc and now it's not working anymore.

    Blackberry upgrade this.

    Posted via CB10
    Delete the new version, find the last known good APK and run it. That's what I had to do for Well Fargo. For now, the older version is still working fine.
    04-13-16 06:00 PM
  10. anon(9607753)'s Avatar
    From that, you can infer, regardless of whether BlackBerry is now in the OHA with Google or not, that an agreement was reached that prohibits BlackBerry from further development of the android runtime - which is considered a "fork" of Android.
    What does the agreement for Priv have to do with BB10...when did BB10 become a Google OS or subject to Google licensure?

    Anyone can run a fork of Android since it is open source
    Except BlackBerry, apparently...

    BlackBerry can tweak the current Android 4.3, but they can't update it to 4.4 or beyond.
    Why not? The newer versions are also open source...

    Amazon can update their fork because they continue to rely on their own services and shun Google.
    Once again, anyone can update their fork of Android...except BlackBerry?

    Full of contradictions. A fork is a fork. If BlackBerry ART is a fork and does not support Google services anyway, why would they need Google's permission to update it to a higher API level? No one has ever proven such a restriction exists or is even necessary...now if you want to talk about whether or not BlackBerry has the resources, the justification, or even the will to update the ART on BB10, that's another question entirely.

    Posted via CB10
    valtter likes this.
    04-13-16 06:08 PM
  11. brookie229's Avatar
    I've patched Android 6.0.1 to work on BlackBerry OS10
    It's about time! (sarc)
    04-13-16 06:25 PM
  12. joeldf's Avatar
    What does the agreement for Priv have to do with BB10...when did BB10 become a Google OS or subject to Google licensure?



    Except BlackBerry, apparently...



    Why not? The newer versions are also open source...



    Once again, anyone can update their fork of Android...except BlackBerry?

    Full of contradictions. A fork is a fork. If BlackBerry ART is a fork and does not support Google services anyway, why would they need Google's permission to update it to a higher API level? No one has ever proven such a restriction exists or is even necessary...now if you want to talk about whether or not BlackBerry has the resources, the justification, or even the will to update the ART on BB10, that's another question entirely.

    Posted via CB10
    Wow. Are you really not understanding?

    I'm not contradicting anything.

    BlackBerry AS A DEVICE MAKER/SELLER is making and selling the Priv.

    Google is ALLOWING BlackBerry to load their android OS WITH Google Play and Services on the Priv.

    To do that, BlackBerry will not update their forked Android runtime on their BB10 devices any further.

    That's it. That's the gist.

    What's so flipping hard to understand about that?

    It's company to company, not device to device.

    Amazon has no agreement with Google in any way. Amazon can update to the latest open source version of Android all they want. But they do not have and will not get Google Play and Services.

    If Amazon were to decide to go with Google, they would then be able to use Google's services, but Amazon would have to abandon their own forked version across all their devices with the possibility of only maintaining existing devices up to a certain point (and, admittedly, that's speculation). Amazon could still skin their OS similar to what they do now, but the backend services would have to all be Google.

    Posted via CB10
    Last edited by joeldf; 04-13-16 at 10:59 PM.
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    04-13-16 07:52 PM
  13. app_Developer's Avatar
    Once again, anyone can update their fork of Android...except BlackBerry?
    So how many companies can you name who sell phones with full Google Play support and at the same time also sell phones with their own fork of Android?
    JeepBB and Elephant_Canyon like this.
    04-13-16 09:03 PM
  14. DrBoomBotz's Avatar
    I will be really surprised if you can get this horse to drink.
    04-13-16 10:37 PM
  15. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    What does the agreement for Priv have to do with BB10...when did BB10 become a Google OS or subject to Google licensure?
    Any company can take AOSP Android code and build a device, or even make a runtime on another OS - as long as that company has no interest in licensing Google Play Services and the Play Store. Amazon, for example, doesn't want either, so they're free to do what they like with Fire OS.

    But if a company chooses to license GPS and the Play Store - which are not open-source and never have been, then that company has to go to Google and agree to the licensing terms. One of those terms is that the company gives up their right to make devices with non-Google-Certified Android code.

    As long as BB didn't want official access to the Play Store, they could do whatever they liked with the Android Runtime on BB10, but since they needed Play Store and GPS access for the Priv, they had to sign Google's license, and that means BB - the company - can no longer make devices that contain any Android code unless that device is fully Google-compliant. That restriction affects BB10 as long as BB10 contains any Android code. If BB removes all Android code from BB10, then they can do whatever they like with BB10.

    It's really not that complicated. Google isn't stupid - they're fine with other companies using Android, but they're not going to let other companies use GPS and the Play Store, which Google has spent billions developing, to compete against Google's official Android. The Play Store and Google Services are the big draw of Android - the "keys to the kingdom" if you will - and Google keeps tight control over them and the companies who license them.

    This link might help a little more, if you're still having trouble:

    http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...-store-953753/
    johnny_bravo72 and JeepBB like this.
    04-13-16 11:16 PM
  16. TGIS's Avatar
    U can find the 4.4 or higher Android runtime in any Android device.

    Posted via CB10
    That's Android 4.4. It isn't a runtime as it's the actual OS.

     Z10 STL100-3/10.3.2.2876
    04-14-16 06:46 AM
  17. TGIS's Avatar
    Any company can take AOSP Android code and build a device, or even make a runtime on another OS - as long as that company has no interest in licensing Google Play Services and the Play Store. Amazon, for example, doesn't want either, so they're free to do what they like with Fire OS.

    But if a company chooses to license GPS and the Play Store - which are not open-source and never have been, then that company has to go to Google and agree to the licensing terms. One of those terms is that the company gives up their right to make devices with non-Google-Certified Android code.

    As long as BB didn't want official access to the Play Store, they could do whatever they liked with the Android Runtime on BB10, but since they needed Play Store and GPS access for the Priv, they had to sign Google's license, and that means BB - the company - can no longer make devices that contain any Android code unless that device is fully Google-compliant. That restriction affects BB10 as long as BB10 contains any Android code. If BB removes all Android code from BB10, then they can do whatever they like with BB10.

    It's really not that complicated. Google isn't stupid - they're fine with other companies using Android, but they're not going to let other companies use GPS and the Play Store, which Google has spent billions developing, to compete against Google's official Android. The Play Store and Google Services are the big draw of Android - the "keys to the kingdom" if you will - and Google keeps tight control over them and the companies who license them.

    This link might help a little more, if you're still having trouble:

    http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...-store-953753/
    It states that BlackBerry can't make a fork of Android. Does that BlackBerry can't make a new Android Runtime, or does it mean that the current one is going to be deleted?

     Z10 STL100-3/10.3.2.2876
    04-14-16 06:50 AM
  18. anon(9607753)'s Avatar
    So how many companies can you name who sell phones with full Google Play support and at the same time also sell phones with their own fork of Android?
    Two different OS. Google agreement applies to implementation of Android OS, not BB10. Google has no legal jurisdiction to tell BlackBerry what it can put on BlackBerry's own OS, unless it were a copyright infringement or license issue, which it is not because Android source code is open source and secondly, BlackBerry ART has no access to Google services. If you have proof, cough it up.

    Posted via CB10
    04-14-16 07:51 AM
  19. anon(9607753)'s Avatar
    Any company can take AOSP Android code and build a device, or even make a runtime on another OS - as long as that company has no interest in licensing Google Play Services and the Play Store. Amazon, for example, doesn't want either, so they're free to do what they like with Fire OS.

    But if a company chooses to license GPS and the Play Store - which are not open-source and never have been, then that company has to go to Google and agree to the licensing terms. One of those terms is that the company gives up their right to make devices with non-Google-Certified Android code.

    As long as BB didn't want official access to the Play Store, they could do whatever they liked with the Android Runtime on BB10, but since they needed Play Store and GPS access for the Priv, they had to sign Google's license, and that means BB - the company - can no longer make devices that contain any Android code unless that device is fully Google-compliant. That restriction affects BB10 as long as BB10 contains any Android code. If BB removes all Android code from BB10, then they can do whatever they like with BB10.

    It's really not that complicated. Google isn't stupid - they're fine with other companies using Android, but they're not going to let other companies use GPS and the Play Store, which Google has spent billions developing, to compete against Google's official Android. The Play Store and Google Services are the big draw of Android - the "keys to the kingdom" if you will - and Google keeps tight control over them and the companies who license them.

    This link might help a little more, if you're still having trouble:

    http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...-store-953753/
    Once again BB10 is a proprietary OS owned by BlackBerry. Google has no jurisdiction over it. What I am talking about has nothing to do with licenses for Google Services because that agreement applies to BlackBerry's implementation of Android OS, not BB10. If you can prove otherwise, post BlackBerry's agreement with Google and back up these assumptions with facts.

    Posted via CB10
    04-14-16 07:56 AM
  20. app_Developer's Avatar
    Two different OS. Google agreement applies to implementation of Android OS, not BB10. Google has no legal jurisdiction to tell BlackBerry what it can put on BlackBerry's own OS, unless it were a copyright infringement or license issue, which it is not because Android source code is open source and secondly, BlackBerry ART has no access to Google services. If you have proof, cough it up.
    So in other words, you really can't think of a *single* company in the world who has a license for google play and also continues to develop their own AOSP fork. That may be a clue as to a provision Google requires for Play, isn't it? Why do you think Samsung has Tizen, and not just their own Android fork (which would be a heck of a lot smarter)?

    Look, there will be no 4.4 and no new API levels available in BB10's Android runtime. There are a few people here trying to explain to you why. Happy to revisit this if that ever changes.
    JeepBB likes this.
    04-14-16 09:11 AM
  21. Elephant_Canyon's Avatar
    Look, there will be no 4.4 and no new API levels available in BB10's Android runtime. There are a few people here trying to explain to you why.
    Does it really matter why? It's not going to happen, and there's nothing anyone on this forum can do to change that.
    04-14-16 09:40 AM
  22. DrBoomBotz's Avatar
    Does it really matter why?
    The why is important to me.
    I am curious like that.
    Always have been.
    04-14-16 10:30 AM
  23. joeldf's Avatar
    Once again BB10 is a proprietary OS owned by BlackBerry. Google has no jurisdiction over it. What I am talking about has nothing to do with licenses for Google Services because that agreement applies to BlackBerry's implementation of Android OS, not BB10. If you can prove otherwise, post BlackBerry's agreement with Google and back up these assumptions with facts.

    Posted via CB10
    Okay, now you're just being dense.

    It's called "CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS". And they are very much "LEGALLY BINDING".

    Ever hear of companies suing other companies over something called "Breach of Contract"? Amounts can be in the millions of dollars - something that BlackBerry has a limited amount of.

    If BlackBerry wanted to be involved with Google, Google absolutely can dictate the terms of that agreement. If BlackBerry wanted to say "No" to terminating android runtime development further, Google would simply say "Well, we are out of here. Good luck with that BB10 thing all by yourself".

    You are correct that Google can't arbitrarily force BlackBerry to stop the android runtime development out of thin air. But Google absolutely can say "If you want our Android OS with full Google Play Store and Play Services installed on your new device (the Priv), then you have to stop further development of your android runtime in your other OS". BlackBerry can either agree to that or not. BlackBerry was not forced to make the agreement. They choose to agree to it.

    That's how Google deals with all of their device making partners. They can all sell other devices with other full OSs - Windows being the other primary OS that most Android device makers but on other devices. But NONE of them sell a device with a forked version of Android, nor are they allowed to sell dual-boot type devices that have both Android and some other OS. ASUS tried that several years ago - and Google raised that "Breach of Contract" thing. Lawyers called lawyers, and that idea died fast.

    No, we are not ever going to actually see the agreement between Google and BlackBerry. Those things are always kept confidential. But just simple facts of events tells us all we need to know. Last October was when BlackBerry made the announcement on their developer blog that the runtime was stopping where it was. One month after the Priv was announced. They did say that the current android runtime was not being removed from the OS, only that the runtime would not go beyond the "current release", and that they will continue to support "the current release". An update for BlackBerry 10 Developers | BlackBerry Developer Blog

    I don't know how much clearer it can be.
    Troy Tiscareno and JeepBB like this.
    04-14-16 10:51 AM
  24. ohaiguise's Avatar
    BB10 devices are still being actively sold and BlackBerry claim on their website that they will run Android apps through the Amazon App Store.

    If the ART is too old to run most apps in Amazon App Store, they should stop selling all BB10 devices immediately or take back their claim that it can run Android apps through Amazon App Store.

    I don't give a crap about Google Play, and you can flush your Privvy down the toilet for all I care!
    04-14-16 10:54 AM
  25. kvndoom's Avatar
    BB10 devices are still being actively sold and BlackBerry claim on their website that they will run Android apps through the Amazon App Store.

    If the ART is too old to run most apps in Amazon App Store, they should stop selling all BB10 devices immediately or take back their claim that it can run Android apps through Amazon App Store.

    I don't give a crap about Google Play, and you can flush your Privvy down the toilet for all I care!
    They DO still run Android apps. Never once has Blackberry said they will run ALL Android apps FOREVER. Nobody in their right mind would make that blanket statement.
    04-14-16 10:59 AM
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