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  1. Bla1ze's Avatar
    If you throw it hard enough, then yes, a BB10 phone will defeat windows.

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    I dunno, my Lumia 920 is pretty darn hefty.
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    05-24-14 08:05 PM
  2. fschmeck's Avatar
    I have a Lumia and Z10:

    Z10:
    + Infinitely better keyboard. There is really no comparison IMO.
    + Hub is fantastic.
    + Swipe gestures are great though they do take getting used to. Once you do, everything else seems a little clunky IMO.
    + Picture password is great, and very secure when unlocking in public
    + I personally find the email and calendar integration flawless. No need for a Microsoft account as it works with what I have.
    + Install Android apps directly from Amazon app store. Sure, they don't run as well as a native Android phone, but at least the option is there.
    - battery is not great
    - not as many apps. Key stuff is there, but there are certainly omissions and apps that are just quick ports. Skype, for instance, is terrible on the Z10.
    - Camera is just "ok"
    + Web browser is absolutely excellent.
    +/- Still early days, so each release brings new features and big improvements. From 10.0 to 10.2.1 in a little over a year has seen quite a diff.

    Lumia:
    + Great interface. The start screen and Live tiles are sharp, colourful and customizable.
    + The dedicated camera button makes taking pics a breeze
    + Lumia devices (at least those on the higher end) have excellent cameras and great camera software
    + Very easy to use.
    + Xbox Live support and Smart Glass
    + lots of good games if that's your thing
    + Skype, Outlook, Office, One Drive all integrated and work well.
    + Panorama and Pivot apps are ideal for "content consumption". If you do a lot of reading on the phone (reddit for example) they are really intuitive.
    -/+ The truly great models of Windows Phones (ie. Lumia 1020) cost much more than Z10
    + Voice control works!
    - Oh that keyboard. I wrote this on my Z10. Would never have attempted on my Windows phone.
    - Still a little "basic" IMO. Sure, it does everything it needs to, but I'm still learning new tricks with BB10 whereas with Windows Phone it just seems like it is "less deep". It's subjective I guess.
    + Here maps are fantastic and work offline.


    Honestly, Windows Phone is my second pick for a platform, but since I spend most of my time reading, browsing, emailing and messaging BB10 meets my needs very well.

    Hope this helps!




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    05-24-14 08:17 PM
  3. aha's Avatar
    Pretty sure windows phone s are great... just haven't seen one around here yet.

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    05-24-14 08:53 PM
  4. Adam Fox2's Avatar
    I had a Windows Phone last year before I got my Z10. I HATED it. Everything about it was awful. When i got my Z10, I was SOOO happy and its the only phone I've owned for this long that even to this day, I love using it as much as I did the day I got it! HOWEVER, since the Windows Phone 8.1 "Preview" version became available, I was interested in giving it a shot, so I started checking out "used" Nokia Lumia 520 devices. I didn't want to pay the full $100 for a phone just to play around with Windows Phone 8.1. I checked eBay and found one for $43 including tax and shipping. I cashed in my FeaturePoints and out of pocket cost was $5.57. Right after getting it, I tried loading the 8.1 preview on it. I had some problems. Everytime I tried accessing a Microsoft site, it failed to load (One Drive & Hotmail)...I went to WPCentral to see if I could get help there. No one could answer my question so I kept looking around. About an hour later, I looked at my phone and noticed the time was wrong on it....so I went to change it....but it was on automatic! I was in the wrong time zone, with the wrong date and the wrong time! I set the date/time option to manual and changed it to the right one. After that, I tried again to load hotmail. I thought maybe the page was just down or something, but after changing the date/time, Hotmail loaded and so did One Drive! Also, about 15 apps started updating! That actually fixed the problem! Auto time set doesn't work and the date/time has to be right or it will act goofy! But, I got to say....Windows Phone 8.1 is a HUGE improvement! After my experience with Windows Phone 8 last year, I wouldn't have taken a Windows Phone device if you GAVE it to me with a big ole Chocolate Cake with it! But they have made SOOO many worthwhile improvements! Cortana is a huge improvement over Siri and Google Now, but I rarely use it.....to me, Google Now, Siri and Cortana are just novelties that you will use and show to friends/family but thats it! So, story aside, i'll get to what i see as pros and cons of both of these platforms:

    WINOWS PHONE 8 PROS:
    You can get an unlocked off-contract phone BRAND NEW for $100 or less!

    VERY easy to use and get used to

    All Nokia devices come with FREE Turn-by-Turn off-line GPS (once you download the maps)

    It's got some nice games on it with achievements with Xbox Live Integration with your current Xbox Live account if you have one!

    Not power-hungry at all. Don't let less than 2Ghz and 512MB RAM scare you, its not an Android device!

    WINDOWS PHONE 8 CONS:
    VERY limited app selection: Apps I "need' but are not there: Hit it Rich Casino, DoubleU Casino, Slotomania, FeaturePoints, HBOGo, MaxGo, Showtime Anytime, BBM

    It isn't that great unless you get the 8.1 preview! IF you are on Windows Phone 8, be sure its FULLY up to date or you're going to have a slow time closing off opened apps if you are a neat-freak with your phone like me!


    BB10 PROS:
    Thin, sleek, powerful device with a beautiful interface

    The Hub - NOTHING comes CLOSE!!! If you get a message on FaceBook and you want to read it real quick, you can do it right from the hub, other mobile OS' will open the FB app, have to refresh & takes longer.

    60 FPS 720p recording looks SOOO smooth (its on the 10.3 beta)

    Easy access to "bedside mode" for keeping your phone silenced from all notifications while still having an alarm clock set.

    Do not have to press any physical buttons to get to the home screen.....just make a swipe up, you only have to type in your password if you are idle for like 30 minutes!

    Blackberry 10 apps AND Android apps....you got your choice! I have MORE Android apps that work perfectly fine on BB10 than I do my actual Android device!

    Despite they say it only works with 64GB MicroSD, alot of reports are saying it will even take 128GB cards!! Alot of devices seem to max out at 64GB cards!


    BB10 CONS:
    .......um.....in all honesty, i can't think of anything to complain about except it does take a bit longer to boot up than other phones...
    05-25-14 02:21 AM
  5. CrackberryQ's Avatar
    In our household we got:

    BlackBerry z30 and q10 ( me n wife)
    I pads n iphone. ( grandma n kids)
    Samsung note 2 n 3 ( Bro n wife)
    And a 6"lumia ( homeless roaming between us)

    The Nokia has the best build, and screen, and cam and simply feels like the superior phone.

    Windows is amazing to synchronise everything! It's got decent apps, and good customisation, and the best navigation experience of all, that said I don't know why we don't like it, no one uses it, maybe it's good at everything but not great at anything that we use in the household. Just feels dull.

    So op I guess best way is you trying out the device yourself, it's very subjective.







    Q10 On Steroids running on pure Awesomeness
    05-25-14 02:49 AM
  6. spacemanZ10's Avatar
    I too have a Z10 for personal use and a lumia for work. The lumia is not intuitive, I still can't be bothered to set up an account to download apps!
    Windows
    Cons back key, no swiping, home button,
    Pros offline maps, office,
    Bb10
    Pros swiping, ease of use, having lots of apps open easy to move between, did I say swiping?
    Cons app world (can't be arsed to load android stuff) battery on z10.

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    05-25-14 02:57 AM
  7. hoovermac's Avatar
    I have a Lumia 920 and a Z30 that I routinely swap SIMS between as daily drivers. As for strengths and weakness of both platforms, here goes (note - my opinions, based on my usage only and observations within our household)!

    BB10 Pros
    1. The Hub - the way that BB integrates the messaging into the Hub is top-notch. Easily BB10’s best feature, IMHO! Notifications are also very well-handled. Pinch to see unread messages only is brilliant.
    2. With the latest update, the OS has a lot of nice new features, and older features that I used to use a lot on my old Torch 9800, and is super smooth.
    3. Ability to use (some) Android Apps.
    4. Battery life is better on the Z30 than the 920 – although the battery is larger on the Z30, so it’s not really a fair comparison.
    5. Hot-swappable SIM!! Absolutely love that feature!!
    6. Call quality – clear and crisp!
    7. BB Travel – damn it, it’s just awesome! I wish they would port that to other platforms.

    BB10 Cons
    1. UI – have to say, the UI is not great looking. Haven’t loaded the 10.3 leak on my Z30, but the screenshots show that the UI is at least going in a better direction. Also, the swiping has a learning curve. My wife can’t use my Z30, but she was instantly able to use her Lumia 800 (WP7 device).
    2. Hardware requirements – BB10 seems to need more ‘oomph’ to run!
    3. Camera – camera itself has decent specs, just doesn’t take the best pictures.
    4. Android Apps – some work great, some are downright awful to run. You basically have to try them out on the device to see for yourself which ones are keepers.
    5. Some old, liked features with BB messaging are still missing (i.e., ability to file sent items in a specific folder – a feature I liked/used quite a lot).
    6. Horrid music app!
    7. Contacts app – not sure how many times I have linked contacts together in the BB10 contacts app, only to have them mysteriously disappear afterwards.
    8. BBLink and backup are not great.

    WP 8.1 Developers Preview Pros
    1. Very smooth OS – I only ever re-boot the 920 when I insert the SIM to switch devices. Sometimes it’s a week, sometimes a lot longer. When I was using the 920 last summer and fall as my only phone, I can count on one hand the number of re-boots I had.
    2. Lower memory requirements - 920 is smoother and quicker than the Z30.
    3. Camera – the picture and video quality on the 920 is fantastic. My wife’s Lumia 800 takes better pictures than the Z30. I have seen some of the pictures my students have taken with cheap Lumia phones (520/620) and they are better than the Z30.
    4. UI – the WP 8.1 UI is much more attractive IMHO.
    5. Notifications – I like the live tiles. Not sure how I feel about the notification centre yet! I have to give the nod to BB on that one.
    6. MS account integration – it works and works well!

    WP 8.1 Developers Preview Cons
    1. Horrid music app – Xbox Music on the WP 8.1 device is not great but is slowly improving.
    2. Email live tiles don’t show unread count, only new messages that have arrived! That has been a frustration of mine since I started with WP.
    3. Dismantling of certain hubs (i.e., removal of FB integration in the messaging hub).
    4. Apps – yeah, I know I had to say it. I lack some banking apps and apps for travel and flights for example (TripIt is no BB travel)!
    5. Notification Centre – as I said above, jury is still out here. Seems to me to be unnecessary duplication from the live tiles, but it was a much requested feature of WP.
    6. No native file manager – although one is coming in June.
    7. WP backup – would like to see a more granular, less limiting backup option than what’s currently available as part of WP 8.1’s MS integration.

    Hopefully detailed enough. No platform is perfect – we have all the major platforms represented in our household and they all have their foibles. Basically, you have to try them yourself and see which you like the best.
    Last edited by hoovermac; 05-25-14 at 03:45 PM.
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  8. kbz1960's Avatar
    I have a Lumia 920 and a Z30 that I routinely swap SIMS between as daily drivers. As for strengths and weakness of both platforms, here goes (note - my opinions, based on my usage only and observations within our household)!

    BB10 Pros
    1. The Hub - the way that BB integrates the messaging into the Hub is top-notch. Easily BB10’s best feature, IMHO! Notifications are also very well-handled. Pinch to see unread messages only is brilliant.
    2. With the latest update, the OS has a lot of nice new features, and older features that I used to use a lot on my old Torch 9800, and is super smooth.
    3. Ability to use (some) Android Apps.
    4. Battery life is better on the Z30 than the 920 – although the battery is larger on the Z30, so it’s not really a fair comparison.
    5. Hot-swappable SIM!! Absolutely love that feature!!
    6. Call quality – clear and crisp!
    7. BB Travel – damn it, it’s just awesome! I wish they would port that to other platforms.

    BB10 Cons
    1. UI – have to say, the UI is not great looking. Haven’t loaded the 10.3 leak on my Z30, but the screenshots show that the UI is at least going in a better direction. Also, the swiping has a learning curve. My wife can’t use my Z30, but she was instantly able to use her Lumia 800 (WP7 device).
    2. Hardware requirements – BB10 seems to need more ‘oomph’ to run!
    3. Camera – camera itself has decent specs, just doesn’t take the best pictures.
    4. Android Apps – some work great, some are downright awful to run. You basically have to try them out on the device to see for yourself which ones are keepers.
    5. Some old, liked features with BB messaging are still missing (i.e., ability to file sent items in a specific folder – a feature I liked/used quite a lot).
    6. Horrid music app!
    7. Contacts app – not sure how many times I have linked contacts together in the BB10 contacts app, only to have them mysteriously disappear afterwards.
    8. BBLink and backup are not great.

    WP 8.1 Developers Preview Pros
    1. Very smooth OS – I only ever re-boot the 920 when I insert the SIM to switch devices. Sometimes it’s a week, sometimes a lot longer. When I was using the 920 last summer and fall as my only phone, I can count on one hand the number of re-boots I had.
    2. Lower memory requirements. 920 is smoother and quicker than the Z30.
    3. Camera – the picture and video quality on the 920 is fantastic. My wife’s Lumia 800 takes better pictures than the Z30. I have seen some of the picture my students have taken with cheap Lumia phones (520/620) and they are better than the Z30.
    4. UI – the WP 8.1 UI is much more attractive IMHO.
    5. Notifications – I like the live tiles. Not sure how I feel about the notification centre yet! I have to give the nod to BB on that one.
    6. MS account integration – it works and works well!

    WP 8.1 Developers Preview Pros
    1. Horrid music app – Xbox Music on the WP 8.1 device is not great but is slowly improving.
    2. Email live tiles don’t show unread count, only new messages that have arrived! That has been a frustration of mine since I started with WP.
    3. Dismantling of certain hubs (i.e., removal of FB integration in the messaging hub).
    4. Apps – yeah, I know I had to say it. I lack some banking apps and apps for travel and flights for example (TripIt is no BB travel)!
    5. Notification Centre – as I said above, jury is still out here. Seems to me to be unnecessary duplication from the live tiles, but it was a much requested feature of WP.
    6. No native file manager – although one is coming in June.
    7. WP backup – would like to see a more granular, less limiting backup option than what’s currently available as part of WP 8.1’s MS integration.

    Hopefully detailed enough. No platform is perfect – we have all the major platforms represented in our household and they all have their foibles. Basically, you have to try them yourself and see which you like the best.
    Nice comparison, one thing that baffles me is many people seem hung up on "it takes more RAM" I really don't see how that's a downfall unless you're paying more because it needs more RAM.
    05-25-14 09:03 AM
  9. Chelmsford's Avatar
    I have a windows phone and the biggest con is that it's not a BlackBerry 10.

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    05-25-14 09:06 AM
  10. m3mb3rsh1p's Avatar
    I prefer BlackBerry 10 over WP8 and like a poster above couldn't wait to get rid of my WP8 device. It's such a shame Microsoft had to drag and insult Nokia's history of creating such excellent platforms as Symbian and Maemo. Bless BlackBerry for holding strong.

    The advantages WP8 has over BB10 lie in some of the native apps but I honestly haven't missed them. The BB10 camera also needs a lot of improvement.

    My biggest preference for BB10 over WP8 is multitasking. WP8 (haven't used 8.1) is horrible at multitasking. Granted, my device, a Lumia 521, has 512 RAM but that should only mean that I can't have many apps open. I've used an Android device with 512 MB and know what's acceptable. Sometimes I'll have just two apps open, go to settings and when I get back to the first app, it will have to reload from scratch. Even the browser tabs are affected and hide themselves in the background when you exit and could be taking up RAM until you remember to close them. On BB10 you see all running apps and manage them easily, no task killers needed, no cycling through closing tabs to save ram because the OS is efficient and BlackBerry set optimal specs and standards for its devices.

    Second and equally outstanding is the browser. There is no better browser on any mobile platform in my opinion. You can have 5+ tabs open with media playing in the background and swap between them without reloading. It is feature/standards complete (hover links, HTML5, flash) unlike the WP8 browser which CANNOT hit hover links!! I truly hope BlackBerry updates the flash player and provides a slide-typing keyboard. It is sometimes much faster to browse the web on my Z30 than a desktop.

    I find BlackBerry World a better store especially with carrier billing.

    Blackberry Hub is sheer genius.
    05-25-14 09:06 AM
  11. systemvolker's Avatar
    In general, BlackBerry is way better. Even if you compare it with 8.2.

    Why?
    Because its very flexible but secure.

    What do you mean by flexible?
    BlackBerry can roll out updates fast enough to do some changes to be better. In other words, "it had evolved really quick and it is now better and it will be better than now".

    What else?
    BlackBerry hasn't yet been using any monstrous hardwares but mid type only (if you compare it with android high end hardwares)... but it's still fast and efficient. Yes, the z10 is a headache because it has a small battery but removable.


    I hope Op will be able to read all these replies and comments. Lol



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    05-25-14 09:10 AM
  12. Toodeurep's Avatar
    I have a Lumia and Z10: ***snip***

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    +1 on this with my personal observations.

    The camera and battery life on my 920 are the main reasons it remains a 50/50 split with my Zed10. When I have long days at the museum or ballfield the SIM goes into the Lumia. I have managed to take pictures in a nearly lightless room and still have detail. Not to mention the day and a half battery life.

    920 Keyboard: I actually had the 920 before the Zed10 and it reminded my why I hate virtual keyboards. It is a miserable experience.

    Zed10 Keyboard: Amazingly, typing on the Zed keyboard is a breeze. I just don't understand how they can be so different.

    Apps: The only app I have ever "missed" in my entire life is 6TAG, a WP8 Instagram 3rd party app. For those that haven't tried it, you should really check it out. IMO it is far better than any IG app native or 3rd party.

    The 920 browser, messaging, file manager and camera lens location make me want to scream, but that camera and battery life make it worth keeping.
    05-25-14 09:47 AM
  13. hoovermac's Avatar
    Nice comparison, one thing that baffles me is many people seem hung up on "it takes more RAM" I really don't see how that's a downfall unless you're paying more because it needs more RAM.
    Thanks! I have never been a big "specs" person. If it feels right, use it, is my main motto. However, there is a reason that Kit-Kat has been tweaked to work better on a smaller memory footprint. WP works real well on low memory devices - and they are the platform's biggest sellers (although of an admittedly small overall share). Think of the traction that Android was able to gain with poorly performing, low-cost devices - think of what they could have gained if the OS was better optimized, i.e., lots of folks tried the low-cost androids and moved on as the experience was terrible. BB10 is moving in that direction and WP8.1 is already there. The BB brass obviously understood the need for a good-performing, low cost device (Z3/Jakarta). As the OS matures, I am sure it will become refined enough to go to even lower spec devices.

    Kind of funny - in the PC days of not so long ago, it was the "hardware will catch up to the OS". Seems reversed in some circumstances in the mobile space.
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  14. hoovermac's Avatar
    +1 on this with my personal observations.

    The camera and battery life on my 920 are the main reasons it remains a 50/50 split with my Zed10. When I have long days at the museum or ballfield the SIM goes into the Lumia. I have managed to take pictures in a nearly lightless room and still have detail. Not to mention the day and a half battery life.

    920 Keyboard: I actually had the 920 before the Zed10 and it reminded my why I hate virtual keyboards. It is a miserable experience.

    Zed10 Keyboard: Amazingly, typing on the Zed keyboard is a breeze. I just don't understand how they can be so different.

    Apps: The only app I have ever "missed" in my entire life is 6TAG, a WP8 Instagram 3rd party app. For those that haven't tried it, you should really check it out. IMO it is far better than any IG app native or 3rd party.

    The 920 browser, messaging, file manager and camera lens location make me want to scream, but that camera and battery life make it worth keeping.
    Agree with the keyboard - BB makes the best keyboards, period! Both virtual and physical. I never thought the keypad on the 920 was that bad. It is much better than either the IOS stock or Android stock, IMHO. The new developer preview keyboard with the Swype-like feature is a step ahead, but I prefer BB10. Voice control hands down goes to either Tell Me or Cortana over the BB10 voice assistant.
    05-25-14 10:34 AM
  15. Qaddafi's Avatar
    One thing I don't get about how windows phone is advertised is how they say that it's meant to be compatible with different windows devices. That's a lie. You should see how much difficulty I face when transferring files from one device to the phone. Like windows 8 computer to windows 8 phone. Also the desktop and metro sync apps are horrible, worse than BlackBerry Link and iTunes. There is no mass storage mode. If you want to transfer files through explorer you have to use MTP and it's the worst experience ever since the beginning of smartphones. Seriously I haven't met a person who has ever said MTP was good.

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    05-25-14 11:20 AM
  16. chalx's Avatar
    Windows app store is a mess...

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    05-25-14 12:00 PM
  17. trinipoco's Avatar
    I had to set up a lumina for my mom and found the os really easy to use. That's the only good thing I have to say, back button sucks and bb10 seems so much more refined.

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    05-25-14 12:54 PM
  18. HotFix's Avatar
    In general, BlackBerry is way better. Even if you compare it with 8.2.

    Why?
    Because its very flexible but secure.

    What do you mean by flexible?
    BlackBerry can roll out updates fast enough to do some changes to be better. In other words, "it had evolved really quick and it is now better and it will be better than now".

    What else?
    BlackBerry hasn't yet been using any monstrous hardwares but mid type only (if you compare it with android high end hardwares)... but it's still fast and efficient. Yes, the z10 is a headache because it has a small battery but removable.


    I hope Op will be able to read all these replies and comments. Lol



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    There is no Windows Phone 8.2. I think you meant 8.1 which is hitting the streets now.

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    05-25-14 01:36 PM
  19. offthahorseceo's Avatar
    My most easily noticed pros/cons between WP8 and BB10

    WP8

    Pros:

    - Very Smooth

    - More apps available

    - touch keyboard on Lumia 1020 is actually better to me than on the Z (gasp!...oh no he didnt!")

    - youtube and other streaming video seems to be much more reliable

    - Option to auto-upload to skydrive if thats your thing.

    - Built in shazam/soundhound type service

    - Lumia phones actually have a feature similar to that time shift stuff, i dont know if it works as well or is as easy to use though.

    - built in QR code scanner and book/dvd cover scanner.

    - they have a hub too but it works differently and is arguably more connected. In the people hub for example, if you go to someone's contact info, you can swipe sideways to see all the albums they have uploaded to FB, all photos you've tagged them in, all social media activity and all activity between yourself and that person. Much more media-centric.

    - since device manufacturers license the OS, they can dedicate resources to the device, which means they can afford a wider range of devices with varying specs. So you can get a 42 megapixel camera for example and a gorgeous screen to go with it OR if you're just looking for a cheap device and don't want bells and whistles you can get in for as low as $100 unlocked. It may not have all the features but it will still run windows well.

    Cons:

    - media players don't have draggable timeline elements for skipping straight to a certain part in the song video etc. You press "Skip forward" to jump ahead a few seconds, and then again, and then you've gone too far so you skip back and repeat and then finally settle for 10 seconds before the part you want

    - no "hold volume up/down for next/previous track" like bb. Instead when you forget and try to do it, you end up cranking the volume.

    - No FLAC support, at least not on any I've used.

    - Limited bluetooth connectivity options. (Example: fianc has 1020, her friend has idevice. 1020 would not accept file transfer from idevice)

    - everyone has mentioned the lack of a good file manager

    - no flash support on browser. Also, browser does this stupid thing where if you close it quickly, you're not really closing it. You have to use the back arrow a thousand times to be sure that it's fully closed.

    - email isn't as "good" to me as BlackBerry. Although you DO get a better conversation view, you don't get shown sent emails by default.

    - Less of the devices have expandable memory or removable batteries. When a device freezes i prefer to pull the battery than to depend on a button that is connected to software functions to hopefully work and reset my device.



    Blackberry 10

    Pros:

    - Legendary email is legendary. You don't get conversation view by default but you see sent emails. Also, it seems to still arrive much quicker than anything else.

    - vol+/- for skipping tracks, I will never get used to not having this.

    - file manager as mentioned before.

    - all the swipe functions are very nice, i tried to go back to the Lumia 1020 and kept trying to swipe to unlock, and swipe to exit apps etc.

    - Micro-HDMI out, i rarely use it but it's still pretty cool.

    - Physical keyboard option if you get the Q.

    - BBM, though i dont have many BBM contacts anymore, i remember when all my family was on BBM

    - Android player allows access to more apps, though not all of them work as well as it should.

    - both the physical keyboard and virtual keyboard are pretty popular, though the virtual one wasn't great for me.

    - FLAC supported natively

    - Browser is much better to me, and supports flash.


    Cons:

    - Limited app ecosystem. Android player bandaids this but android apps don't work as well as native, and sullies the experience.

    - limited hardware configurations. You have "cheaper" devices that still end up being expensive, and higher end devices don't compare hardware-wise to high end devices from other manufacturers.

    - Although browser is a better experience, youtube never works well for me. I always start to show my fianc a video, and it freezes mid play every single time. Every single time. I end up having to get her to pull it up on her Lumia, where it plays through flawlessly the first time.

    - this shouldn't matter for the devices that have been released already, but there's a real risk of blackberry folding or dropping support for devices. As much as i prefer blackberry devices to any other platform, noone can deny that blackberry consistently breaks promises and focuses on all the wrong things.




    I think it's sad that on a forum full of supposed "professionals" who use "tools not toys" that an elaboration even needed to be made.


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  21. AluminiumRims's Avatar
    Why hasn't anybody mentioned the ridiculous boot time of BB10. My Z10 it takes something in order of 5 minutes to boot and I think that is something the Blackberry engineers should be ashamed of.
    05-27-14 03:58 PM
  22. ubeda92's Avatar
    Why hasn't anybody mentioned the ridiculous boot time of BB10. My Z10 it takes something in order of 5 minutes to boot and I think that is something the Blackberry engineers should be ashamed of.
    Good point. I'm sure my Z10 goes 5+minutes while booting or rebooting. Makes my Blackberry Playbooks seem like boot rockets.
    05-27-14 04:28 PM
  23. systemvolker's Avatar
    There is no Windows Phone 8.2. I think you meant 8.1 which is hitting the streets now.

    Posted via CB10 via Z30STA100-5/10.2.1.2947
    Yeh. 8.1 and 8.0

    Posted via CB10
    05-27-14 05:36 PM
  24. aha's Avatar
    Why hasn't anybody mentioned the ridiculous boot time of BB10. My Z10 it takes something in order of 5 minutes to boot and I think that is something the Blackberry engineers should be ashamed of.
    Mine takes less than 1 min.

    Posted via CB10 with Z30 on 10.2.1.2234
    Sean Fanelli likes this.
    05-28-14 09:52 AM
  25. DINGSTER1's Avatar
    I'd like to see that!

    Sent from my SM-P600 using Tapatalk
    05-28-14 10:10 AM
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