Upcoming Android N 'Android' will be as secure as 'BB10' :- said 'Chen'
- I'd like to see a demonstration, showing me exactly what an Android handset with a BlackBerry logo on it does that EVERY other Android handset doesn't.
You can't get away with claiming to have a hidden ingredient that no one else has. It's plain deception without a demonstration. Ideally the research and comparison with all other Androids would be carried out by an independent third party.
p.s. There are seven layers in our Internet model. BB's handsets allow them control of network security at various points of otherwise general weakness with their vertically integrated HW/SW handsets, even if using Android. BB's secret sauce in SW would entail FW-level security implementations, and in the OS realm, binary blob additions to the Android kernel.
I agree with your thought regarding third-party analysis though - Packet-sniff contest between a BlackBerry Android-N and a Samsung Galaxy #.
Posted via CB10Last edited by kkoo; 07-24-16 at 02:36 PM.
07-24-16 02:19 PMLike 0 - Would BlackBerry be able to negotiate themselves out of Google's data mining policy on Android? Maybe by paying a premium..?
Just as how Windows 10 Enterprise version allows admin to disable data mining features.
That'd be interesting...could be a market changer in the mobile sphere.
BlackBerry Passport via CB1007-24-16 02:27 PMLike 0 - The attack surface associated with Google and all of its "components" is enormous. That they have not been caught in a breach doesn't mean they haven't been hacked or penetrated. A large part of that attack surface is not theirs either; since they provide a framework for various tracking methods that most of the apps use (rather than developing their own) the risk is neither local to Google nor confined to it if they are penetrated. Further, Google was known to pass data around unencrypted, including across international borders, until quite recently -- and that's just what's known publicly. What they are or aren't doing now, unless you've been doing plenty of poking around in places you shouldn't (and are probably breaking the law by doing so if you do), is impossible to determine with certainty and since we know they have done it in the past without disclosing same you certainly can't trust their bare assertions today.
In short encryption costs money, and lots of it when it is applied to high-performance infrastructure, especially if it's done right on an end-to-end basis including all instances of storage and transport.
If you think that what's up in Google's architecture -- or in anything that builds on their framework -- is secure I have a bridge to sell you.
With that said the Priv offers some capabilities that other Android devices do not. For example you do not have to use Google's framework for contacts, calendars and similar storage -- you can use Exchange, because the Hub has it built in and Google has no "attachment point" to it.
Implemented correctly this means you have strong encryption "at rest" on your infrastructure (where the data is stored), you have strong (including PFS making "replay" attacks nearly impossible) encryption end-to-end during transport no matter where you are or what network you are on and you have strong encryption on the device for data "at rest" and "in use" as well.
It is a pain in the butt to do this with other Android devices and doing so loses a lot of integration that is otherwise present -- but it is easy to do so with the Priv, and will be with future BlackBerry Android devices.
Is that enough reason to buy a BlackBerry Android device? For those who don't give a twist about data security, of course not.
But for those who do, you bet it is.07-24-16 02:29 PMLike 5 - And some of us, don't like Google for the loss of privacy.
As for FB, I do use it, I need it for business, however, I log in on a private browser, and close it out after each session so that it cannot track me easily. I get virtually no ads this way, combined with a customized HOSTS file.
Here is an interesting bit of information regarding Google tracking and the NSA.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ts-for-hackingLast edited by Ronindan; 07-24-16 at 04:36 PM.
anon(9742832) and Mecca EL like this.07-24-16 02:44 PMLike 2 - The attack surface associated with Google and all of its "components" is enormous. That they have not been caught in a breach doesn't mean they haven't been hacked or penetrated. A large part of that attack surface is not theirs either; since they provide a framework for various tracking methods that most of the apps use (rather than developing their own) the risk is neither local to Google nor confined to it if they are penetrated. Further, Google was known to pass data around unencrypted, including across international borders, until quite recently -- and that's just what's known publicly. What they are or aren't doing now, unless you've been doing plenty of poking around in places you shouldn't (and are probably breaking the law by doing so if you do), is impossible to determine with certainty and since we know they have done it in the past without disclosing same you certainly can't trust their bare assertions today.
In short encryption costs money, and lots of it when it is applied to high-performance infrastructure, especially if it's done right on an end-to-end basis including all instances of storage and transport.
If you think that what's up in Google's architecture -- or in anything that builds on their framework -- is secure I have a bridge to sell you.
With that said the Priv offers some capabilities that other Android devices do not. For example you do not have to use Google's framework for contacts, calendars and similar storage -- you can use Exchange, because the Hub has it built in and Google has no "attachment point" to it.
Implemented correctly this means you have strong encryption "at rest" on your infrastructure (where the data is stored), you have strong (including PFS making "replay" attacks nearly impossible) encryption end-to-end during transport no matter where you are or what network you are on and you have strong encryption on the device for data "at rest" and "in use" as well.
It is a pain in the butt to do this with other Android devices and doing so loses a lot of integration that is otherwise present -- but it is easy to do so with the Priv, and will be with future BlackBerry Android devices.
Is that enough reason to buy a BlackBerry Android device? For those who don't give a twist about data security, of course not.
But for those who do, you bet it is.Mecca EL and Dunt Dunt Dunt like this.07-24-16 02:45 PMLike 2 -
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07-24-16 03:54 PMLike 0 - If have to jump to Android then why BlackBerry Android,
Hub on Android is a waste whether anyone wants to accept it or not. It will never as fluid as it's in bb10 as it's not build with the core os.
Dtek just tells you which application have access your information but it won't stop them accessing.
Secure, hmm with Android N Google too are focusing on security.
So why to buy high price android offered from BlackBerry ? 400$ for neon so when it launches here with the custom chargers the price would go up with 480/500$ or above. For that price there are many best Android option in market.
Posted via CB1007-24-16 05:04 PMLike 0 - Hybrid between Android N and BB10 will be the next BB10 Device...
Posted via CB10deadcowboy likes this.07-24-16 05:46 PMLike 1 - You just answered your question:
They spent money on design, planning, and production of these devices. They can't just let it go! That's equal to setting fire to the spent money. Why are you surprised after all? They already did it! Remember when they left OS7 for BB10, but started manufacturing and selling Bold Touch 9900 again?? Because they knew people would buy it, and selling something people buy, is called making money07-24-16 07:35 PMLike 0 -
Now, Android is very nice, I have an Android tablet, but I used it for only one limited purpose, for one app I needed for business, and do no browsing on it nor do I use email on it.
Secure is one thing, privacy is another, and Android, when coupled with Googles services is not private. It does not discount the fact that it is a decent OS with a lot to offer for someone who is okay with being tracked by Google. You can minimize it, but you cannot turn it off. So far, I don't care to be tracked by Google, I may at some point use an Android phone, but for now I choose not to, because I value my privacy.07-24-16 08:57 PMLike 0 -
There are people and institutions in my life to whom I provide personal information, but I deem it acceptable for what I get in return.
A doctor that knows my personal history makes better diagnoses. A financial advisor gives better advice when he knows about all of my investments. Google Now provides better content when it monitors my behaviour.
Doctors, banks, and Google make money from me, but I get something in return.
It bothers me that some suggest I don't value my privacy when I " submit" to Google. I value my privacy very much, and have carefully weighed the value I obtain for providing my information to select people or organisations that I trust.07-24-16 10:04 PMLike 4 - I value my privacy, but don't mind being "tracked by Google".
There are people and institutions in my life to whom I provide personal information, but I deem it acceptable for what I get in return.
A doctor that knows my personal history makes better diagnoses. A financial advisor gives better advice when he knows about all of my investments. Google Now provides better content when it monitors my behaviour.
Doctors, banks, and Google make money from me, but I get something in return.
It bothers me that some suggest I don't value my privacy when I " submit" to Google. I value my privacy very much, and have carefully weighed the value I obtain for providing my information to select people or organisations that I trust.07-24-16 11:10 PMLike 0 - I value my privacy, but don't mind being "tracked by Google".
There are people and institutions in my life to whom I provide personal information, but I deem it acceptable for what I get in return.
A doctor that knows my personal history makes better diagnoses. A financial advisor gives better advice when he knows about all of my investments. Google Now provides better content when it monitors my behaviour.
Doctors, banks, and Google make money from me, but I get something in return.
It bothers me that some suggest I don't value my privacy when I " submit" to Google. I value my privacy very much, and have carefully weighed the value I obtain for providing my information to select people or organisations that I trust.Mecca EL and Troy Tiscareno like this.07-25-16 09:43 AMLike 2 - They learned from the BlackBerry 10 announcement during the 9900 run. If BlackBerry 10 had not been announced, the 9900 would have sold far more than it did. Same with the Priv. Say it's running Android and throw away your BlackBerry 10 stock. No, they will want to sell everything they have before a complete migration to Android happens.07-25-16 11:02 AMLike 0
- I value my privacy, but don't mind being "tracked by Google".
It bothers me that some suggest I don't value my privacy when I " submit" to Google. I value my privacy very much, and have carefully weighed the value I obtain for providing my information to select people or organisations that I trust.
Unfortunately, I will most likely have to switch to something other than BB10 at some point, and I hope I can find something acceptable. There are ways to minimize the Google intrusion, but not eliminate it of course.07-25-16 12:03 PMLike 0 - The attack surface associated with Google and all of its "components" is enormous. That they have not been caught in a breach doesn't mean they haven't been hacked or penetrated. A large part of that attack surface is not theirs either; since they provide a framework for various tracking methods that most of the apps use (rather than developing their own) the risk is neither local to Google nor confined to it if they are penetrated. Further, Google was known to pass data around unencrypted, including across international borders, until quite recently -- and that's just what's known publicly. What they are or aren't doing now, unless you've been doing plenty of poking around in places you shouldn't (and are probably breaking the law by doing so if you do), is impossible to determine with certainty and since we know they have done it in the past without disclosing same you certainly can't trust their bare assertions today.
In short encryption costs money, and lots of it when it is applied to high-performance infrastructure, especially if it's done right on an end-to-end basis including all instances of storage and transport.
If you think that what's up in Google's architecture -- or in anything that builds on their framework -- is secure I have a bridge to sell you.
With that said the Priv offers some capabilities that other Android devices do not. For example you do not have to use Google's framework for contacts, calendars and similar storage -- you can use Exchange, because the Hub has it built in and Google has no "attachment point" to it.
Implemented correctly this means you have strong encryption "at rest" on your infrastructure (where the data is stored), you have strong (including PFS making "replay" attacks nearly impossible) encryption end-to-end during transport no matter where you are or what network you are on and you have strong encryption on the device for data "at rest" and "in use" as well.
It is a pain in the butt to do this with other Android devices and doing so loses a lot of integration that is otherwise present -- but it is easy to do so with the Priv, and will be with future BlackBerry Android devices.
Is that enough reason to buy a BlackBerry Android device? For those who don't give a twist about data security, of course not.
But for those who do, you bet it is.Dunt Dunt Dunt likes this.07-25-16 12:53 PMLike 1 -
Oh no. Not that hybrid bullsh1t again...07-25-16 01:37 PMLike 0 -
"Spying" is a provocative word. Intentionally providing information in order to receive a large number of services in return, to a company that I trust with my data, is another way to describe it.
Priv STV100-1 AAF518 / Q5SQR100-1/10.3.3.746Last edited by conite; 08-13-16 at 05:53 PM.
07-25-16 01:43 PMLike 0 -
- Android N will get a secured and hardend Kernel, Patenting BlackBerry Hub integration, Apps Permission wil be extended and the homebutton will be gone, some saying it will get the gesture and swipe we will know from BlackBerry. Apple ios als get some kind of hub (extended notificatio) and also Apple will remove the home button .
So in the future Android N will be closer to BB10 in UI ,where ios will try to follow and copy.07-25-16 03:18 PMLike 0 - Android N will get a secured and hardend Kernel, Patenting BlackBerry Hub integration, Apps Permission wil be extended and the homebutton will be gone, some saying it will get the gesture and swipe we will know from BlackBerry. Apple ios als get some kind of hub (extended notificatio) and also Apple will remove the home button .
So in the future Android N will be closer to BB10 in UI ,where ios will try to follow and copy.
BlackBerry Passport via CB1007-25-16 03:34 PMLike 0 -
Posted via CB1007-25-16 04:09 PMLike 0 - They will get money for every device with Android N till Z including pattents payment. Next to it they can protect devices with Android better and also build devce which are also hardware secured. They could also get patents to sell it to other brands like Samsung ,they could drop knox and also Google could build security devices with could be designed and made by BlackBerry (why not)
So there is a big future for BlackBerry to license not only security but also in update's for that security to gain money. BlackBerry also get a better hand in other things like cars (QNX) and IOT (QNX) and that all better secured if a device working on Android. Trust me to say it will blown away Apple in every way and it will keep Google in the race and makes them bigger and stronger (monopoly) and BlackBerry will take some fruits also and get there own business in software booming.07-25-16 04:18 PMLike 0 - The attack surface associated with Google and all of its "components" is enormous. That they have not been caught in a breach doesn't mean they haven't been hacked or penetrated. A large part of that attack surface is not theirs either; since they provide a framework for various tracking methods that most of the apps use (rather than developing their own) the risk is neither local to Google nor confined to it if they are penetrated. Further, Google was known to pass data around unencrypted, including across international borders, until quite recently -- and that's just what's known publicly. What they are or aren't doing now, unless you've been doing plenty of poking around in places you shouldn't (and are probably breaking the law by doing so if you do), is impossible to determine with certainty and since we know they have done it in the past without disclosing same you certainly can't trust their bare assertions today.
In short encryption costs money, and lots of it when it is applied to high-performance infrastructure, especially if it's done right on an end-to-end basis including all instances of storage and transport.
If you think that what's up in Google's architecture -- or in anything that builds on their framework -- is secure I have a bridge to sell you.
You are absolutely correct that, prior to summer of 2013, Google used to store data "at rest" without encryption - their transport encryption would be stripped off once inside their firewall. When it was learned that NSA had been accessing some of that data, Google was furious, and immediately went to work rolling out encryption to all data, both at rest and in transport, and hired some of the best minds in encryption in the world to make sure it was done right.
As always, this is a "weapon vs. armor" battle - one side makes a better weapon that can penetrate existing armor, and the other side finds a way to improve their armor to defeat that weapon... rinse, repeat. Google realized that they need to stay well ahead of their competition, and so they also funded white-hat bug bounties and other ways to encourage researchers and encryption experts to assist them in ensuring they have a super-secure network. Given the value that data security has for Google (hint: the entire company is built on it), you can bet they take it VERY seriously.07-25-16 06:20 PMLike 3
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