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- There are people who are desperate to blame Chen for something (not necessarily @markmall) - which is becoming increasingly hard to do in light of what now appears to be a successful turnaround.
Chen is seen by many as the face of the demise of BB10, where it was clearly the previous management/ownership.
I follow the MS mobile story for much longer than the BB one, and the parallels in the behavior of extreme fandom are pretty obvious.01-02-18 01:35 PMLike 0 - Not sure what the huge fuss here is. This could be seen far, far away.
In fact, the day Blackberry announced they were moving away from BB10 to Android, it made the company utterly meaningless. (The way this forum tried to talk up the Priv and KeyOne was hilarious).
Seriously, what's the point of Blackberry if it's on Android? Whatever you think about Android is not the point. The point is, with Blackberry pumping Android, it's just another set of phones (in an already huge list of phones) running the Google OS.
So, apart from discussion & support for older BBOS and BB10 software/hardware, I'm not even sure what's the point of this forum any more? Far better off discussing the new phones on an Android forum.
Their concern is when and how to transition, and how to adjust to Android. Many of these discussions would be irrelevant or confusing for "typical" Android users.
Over time, I think CB will merge into Android Central, but for now, I think the communities are different enough to keep separate.
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- I'm interested in the incentive to upgrade to a KEYone from BB10. Having said that, I've still no desire to switch from my Q10, especially as the Android sideload of Whatsapp seems to be functioning just fine.
Also suspect a strong breeze would be enough to crack the KEYone's screen. That's been my experience with iPhones too. I get that these phones need a case but hey, they're bulky enough as it is.
Still, that keyboard...
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Potential reasons why are as much on topic as anything else I can think of.01-02-18 04:40 PMLike 0 - Not sure what the huge fuss here is. This could be seen far, far away.
In fact, the day Blackberry announced they were moving away from BB10 to Android, it made the company utterly meaningless. (The way this forum tried to talk up the Priv and KeyOne was hilarious).
Seriously, what's the point of Blackberry if it's on Android? Whatever you think about Android is not the point. The point is, with Blackberry pumping Android, it's just another set of phones (in an already huge list of phones) running the Google OS.
So, apart from discussion & support for older BBOS and BB10 software/hardware, I'm not even sure what's the point of this forum any more? Far better off discussing the new phones on an Android forum.
BB tried to create their own niche in the Android space with PKB phones. It was clear that their BB10 strategy was going nowhere. Don't confuse the fanaticism of guys on CB with the general consumer. BB had statistics/analytics with how many BB10 phones were being sold and how many people were leaving the platform; i don't think they made the decision ill-informed.
The Android "solution" may not have saved BB's hardware division, but it did make the transition easier to a BB without a hardware division.01-02-18 05:05 PMLike 0 - Can I go slightly off topic here and talk about something very specific - the WPA-2 KRACK vulnerability? Now BB was quick to release fixes for the K1 and a few other android devices but this vulnerability in the protocol itself is a ticking time bomb and has made me very sceptic about using my unpatched Passport SE. What are the experts here doing about it? Are we relying on security by obscurity? This obviously relates to BB releasing critical security fixes like this for BB10 at least during the so-called 'support' phase. Thanks!falbo likes this.01-02-18 05:38 PMLike 1
- Can I go slightly off topic here and talk about something very specific - the WPA-2 KRACK vulnerability? Now BB was quick to release fixes for the K1 and a few other android devices but this vulnerability in the protocol itself is a ticking time bomb and has made me very sceptic about using my unpatched Passport SE. What are the experts here doing about it? Are we relying on security by obscurity? This obviously relates to BB releasing critical security fixes like this for BB10 at least during the so-called 'support' phase. Thanks!01-02-18 06:11 PMLike 0
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- Can I go slightly off topic here and talk about something very specific - the WPA-2 KRACK vulnerability? Now BB was quick to release fixes for the K1 and a few other android devices but this vulnerability in the protocol itself is a ticking time bomb and has made me very sceptic about using my unpatched Passport SE. What are the experts here doing about it? Are we relying on security by obscurity? This obviously relates to BB releasing critical security fixes like this for BB10 at least during the so-called 'support' phase. Thanks!01-02-18 06:17 PMLike 0
- I think any device that uses the WPA-2 protocol is vulnerable - phones, routers and IOTs alike. It is a protocol vulnerability and remains device and carrier independent. I am sad that the 10.4 release was a joke. I have manually updated the firmwares of all my routers and the Passport SE is the only WiFi enabled unpatched device that I am still using. :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(01-02-18 06:22 PMLike 0
- There are people who are desperate to blame Chen for something (not necessarily @markmall) - which is becoming increasingly hard to do in light of what now appears to be a successful turnaround.
Chen is seen by many as the face of the demise of BB10, where it was clearly the previous management/ownership.
When I was a shareholder my preference was that they aim higher and risk failing then turn into a zombie company. If Prem wouldn't allow this then maybe it wasn't possible.
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Posted via CB1001-02-18 06:25 PMLike 0 - That's a valid point, but I think you're neglecting that there are still a good many BB10 and BBOS users whose interest in BlackBerry's legacy Priv and DTEK phones, and BlackBerry Mobile's KEYone, Motion, and upcoming phones is fundamentally different from that of other Android phone users.
Their concern is when and how to transition, and how to adjust to Android. Many of these discussions would be irrelevant or confusing for "typical" Android users.
Over time, I think CB will merge into Android Central, but for now, I think the communities are different enough to keep separate.
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Posted via CB1001-02-18 06:28 PMLike 0 - I think any device that uses the WPA-2 protocol is vulnerable - phones, routers and IOTs alike. It is a protocol vulnerability and remains device and carrier independent. I am sad that the 10.4 release was a joke. I have manually updated the firmwares of all my routers and the Passport SE is the only WiFi enabled unpatched device that I am still using. :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(StephanieMaks likes this.01-02-18 06:28 PMLike 1
- I don't think that we can call it a successful turnaround yet. It is a tiny fraction of what it was. Also, I thought that it is only profitable on an adjusted basis. If they're making money then it is marginal profits.
When I was a shareholder my preference was that they aim higher and risk failing then turn into a zombie company. If Prem wouldn't allow this then maybe it wasn't possible.
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"Aim-high" was a 12-month death sentence. Failure was an absolute certainty.01-02-18 06:34 PMLike 0 -
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- Say the financial statements.
QTR / Rev / loss
May2013 / 3.1B / $84M
Aug2013 / 1.6B / $965M
Nov2013 / 1.2B / $4.4B
Feb2014 / 976M / $423M
That was crippling. And if the BlackBerry BoD didn't decide to dump BB10 in Sep of 2013, they should have all been arrested.
No sane person would have invested another couple of $billion into BB10 and some new scheme to try and "make it work".
Slash and burn time. Goodbye BB10.anon(9803228) likes this.01-02-18 07:02 PMLike 1 - If that was the case then the whole Board should have been fired and a massive investor lawsuit taken place for fraud and negligence.
Not the case the Board is professional and made good and wise decisions based on BlackBerry's financial condition in the second half of 2013. I get completely lost trying to understand how you draw your conclusions. By the end of 2013 the Board had two options left breakup the company or transform the company. The decision of the Board of directors was clear they hired a CEO with great enterprise software experience and zero hardware experience. The BOARD hired Chen, not one man. Members of corporate boards have a fiduciary duty and are legally required to fulfill their duty.
Why does working on Android indicate a complete transition to becoming a software company while continuing work on BB10 would mean it did not complete that transition? An OS is software. With the partnership with Qualcomm to support their modems in QNX software makes you wonder how much extra it would cost to get BB10 working on the Motion.01-02-18 07:31 PMLike 0 - CEO Chen's experience began in hardware. He has a BS and MS in Electrical Engineering and prior to Sybase he worked for companies whose business was primarily hardware. However, I don't think any of these had consumer products. Important distinction, when business people were looking to carry a single device and BYOD was becoming prevalent.
Why does working on Android indicate a complete transition to becoming a software company while continuing work on BB10 would mean it did not complete that transition? An OS is software. With the partnership with Qualcomm to support their radios in QNX software, makes you wonder how much extra it would cost to get BB10 working on the Motion.01-02-18 07:37 PMLike 0
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