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  1. David Tyler's Avatar
    No, more like we can see through JC's obvious attempts to get BB10 owners to stick around and sell existing BB10 inventory until they can ramp up their Android development enough.
    Wow. That's pretty cynical. Maybe Chen is a big fat liar; do you know him that well? Also, maybe you think it's obvious what will happen -- a lot of forum denizens seem to feel the same way -- but if it's so, so obvious, why spend your time and energy trying to convince others you're correct? -- and why the oblique "The writing is on the wall..." insult?
    01-16-16 01:38 PM
  2. 1khalid's Avatar
    Without accusing Mr.Chen of being a liar, its pretty clear that BB10 has gone the way of BB OS7.
    The fact that it has be reported in many news sites like Reuters that BlackBerry laid off almost the entire bb10 dev team and no new devices for 2016. And according to some reports that since that they are officially making Android handsets they had to sign on to Google's OHA agreement which nixes any chance of further enhancing the Android runtime time , I would say that it's safe to say BB10 is done.

    Sent from my battered and bruised but still kicking (just barely) Z30.
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    01-16-16 04:49 PM
  3. wilber1's Avatar
    Are we a little Sick of these freekin threads yet ?
    01-16-16 04:52 PM
  4. Lusitano17's Avatar
    Buh! How can you say that when 10.3.3 obviously demonstrates that BlackBerry is spending every cent of Priv revenue on improving BlackBerry 10, the master race of productivity?

    They will release a full touch BB10 phone in 2017 with Google Play Services, Lithuanian and a track pad, and Apple will go bankrupt and BlackBerry will be #1 again!
    Whoa....gimme some that stuff!

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    01-16-16 04:54 PM
  5. anon(6038817)'s Avatar
    Wow. That's pretty cynical. Maybe Chen is a big fat liar; do you know him that well? Also, maybe you think it's obvious what will happen -- a lot of forum denizens seem to feel the same way -- but if it's so, so obvious, why spend your time and energy trying to convince others you're correct? -- and why the oblique "The writing is on the wall..." insult?
    Who called Chen a liar? I'm saying BB10 fans are reading way too much into the "we remain committed to BB10" line.

    They "remain committed" to BBOS, too, or they'd shut down all the BIS servers.
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    01-16-16 05:49 PM
  6. anon(6038817)'s Avatar
    Who said BB10 won't be developed anymore? Are you fkin kidding me, they just transferred thousands of customers to BB10 platform on BES and now they will stop developing it further....y'all need to really let Chen and friends do their job and not assume...BB10 can't stop, its too damn good.
    http://devblog.blackberry.com/2015/1...10-developers/

    Read that ^^^

    They put a lot of effort into saying they haven't even scheduled updates to the API or SDK, they're not updating to the latest version of Cascades, they're not updating the Android runtime (which is now two major versions behind).

    The only OS updates they have planned so far for 2016 are security-related. No new UI changes, no new functionality.

    Will BB10 phones stop working tomorrow? Of course not. But what you see now in BB10 hardware and software will be virtually the same a year from now.

    Meanwhile, we'll see a whole new crop of iOS, Android, and Windows phones along with major OS updates.

    And let's not forget BES12 supports all those platforms, too.
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    01-16-16 06:10 PM
  7. jack1059's Avatar
    Newfangled. Reply to your first post.
    Disagree with your assessment. They had a chance with bb10 but it was killed by the huge failure rates experienced on the z10. Had they say had the z30 as the first bb10 phone I think they would have faired much better. But they had such a huge stock of dodgy z10s that they kept pushing them to corporate clients. A large number of people got turned off BlackBerry as this dodgy stock kept getting rolled out. That in my opinion killed bb10 more than anything else.

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    01-16-16 07:05 PM
  8. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    If it had Google Play, I'd be back on the Passport tomorrow. I just can't do without it, and I'm no fan of patching apps with spotty results.

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    If I had a million dollars, I'd be rich....

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    01-16-16 07:13 PM
  9. mousii's Avatar
    Newfangled. Reply to your first post.
    Disagree with your assessment. They had a chance with bb10 but it was killed by the huge failure rates experienced on the z10. Had they say had the z30 as the first bb10 phone I think they would have faired much better. But they had such a huge stock of dodgy z10s that they kept pushing them to corporate clients. A large number of people got turned off BlackBerry as this dodgy stock kept getting rolled out. That in my opinion killed bb10 more than anything else.

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    Everyone kicks the Z10, I am not sure why it is considered such a bad phone. It was OK in the pool of touch devices... yes a little overpriced but not a bad phone. I doubt that Z30 would have changed anything if it was the first 10.
    Someone was making a good case that nothing will change /improve with the OS... unfortunately probably he is right but I personally still hope that new devices will be released every 2 years. Wishful thinking...

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    Last edited by mousii; 01-16-16 at 08:12 PM.
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    01-16-16 07:45 PM
  10. BCITMike's Avatar
    Google and Microsoft have to get into a spat serious enough they'd put Google services on BlackBerry just to spite Microsoft.

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    01-16-16 10:45 PM
  11. anon(2325196)'s Avatar
    But it is not dead or axed.
    01-17-16 12:18 AM
  12. ssbtech's Avatar
    Are we a little Sick of these freekin threads yet ?
    Nope, I'll take any opportunity I can to bash that steaming pile of junk known as Android.
    01-17-16 12:55 AM
  13. johnny_bravo72's Avatar
    Nope, I'll take any opportunity I can to bash that steaming pile of junk known as Android.
    Coming from you, that's nothing new.

    *C5303
    01-17-16 02:30 AM
  14. Bogdan Tudor Dan's Avatar
    Everyone kicks the Z10, I am not sure why it is considered such a bad phone. It was OK in the pool of touch devices... yes a little overpriced but not a bad phone. I doubt that Z30 would have changed anything if it was the first 10.
    Someone was making a good case that nothing will change /improve with the OS... unfortunately probably he is right but I personally still hope that new devices will be released every 2 years. Wishful thinking...

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    Agree. I used my Z10 until the start of this week.


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    01-17-16 05:33 AM
  15. David Tyler's Avatar
    Everyone kicks the Z10, I am not sure why it is considered such a bad phone.
    Two words: Detwiler Fenton.

    The Z10 is an excellent phone. After a year tearing my hair out with a Sammy, I didn't think I'd ever use a vkb again. The Z10 vkb was incredible, and even that early version of Blackberry 10 was a breathtaking improvement.


    Passport SE: All the snooty prestige of a device with a precious metal in the name at less than half the price!
    01-17-16 08:08 AM
  16. Superdupont 2_0's Avatar
    Everyone kicks the Z10, I am not sure why it is considered such a bad phone. It was OK in the pool of touch devices... yes a little overpriced but not a bad phone. I doubt that Z30 would have changed anything if it was the first 10.
    Someone was making a good case that nothing will change /improve with the OS... unfortunately probably he is right but I personally still hope that new devices will be released every 2 years. Wishful thinking...

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    I am currently using the Z10, because my Z30 died in the washing machine.

    While I find the Z30 was far better than the Z10, especially the VKB of the Z30 is superb, I dont feel unhappy with it.

    I still have the hdmi cable slot to stream movies, games or video chats to my tv, I still have the sd card slot for my music, and in general the Z10 is not really laggy or slow...and it has all the apps from BBW, Amazon (or Cobalt's Google Play).


    Again, I wasn't happy about the forced downgrade, I love the Z30, but still the Z10 is a nice multifunctional phone.

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    01-17-16 10:19 AM
  17. RyanGermann's Avatar
    Fortunately, the best bits of BB10 are slowly making their way to other platforms.

    One of the key benefits of BlackBerry 10's User Experience was the consistency of apps and how the concepts within a properly-designed BB10 app are meant to be organized.

    Apple does have good designers, obviously, but their priorities have been different than those of TAT when the BB10 UX was designed.

    There are lots of great ideas in BB10 (and WebOS) that hopefully will make their way into the iOS "design guidelines"... there is a ways to go in this regard, but I'm seeing evidence of BB10's design paradigms creeping into iOS apps, so what we appreciate about the "fluidity" of BB10 will probably work its way into iOS sooner or later.

    Note: the "hiku" app on Apple was actually designed by someone who worked on BB10 for a while... so you can see some of the feel of BB10 in that app (but of course it still has to be enough like an Apple app to get into the Apple app store... but it shows promise!)

    So keep using your BB10 device until Apple catches up.
    01-17-16 11:40 AM
  18. PHughes's Avatar
    Everyone kicks the Z10, I am not sure why it is considered such a bad phone. It was OK in the pool of touch devices... yes a little overpriced but not a bad phone. I doubt that Z30 would have changed anything if it was the first 10.
    Someone was making a good case that nothing will change /improve with the OS... unfortunately probably he is right but I personally still hope that new devices will be released every 2 years. Wishful thinking...

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    Mine still is a great phone. That being said, on its launch, it was plagued with problems that soured people's enthusiasm for the new OS.
    01-17-16 12:19 PM
  19. ssbtech's Avatar
    Mine still is a great phone. That being said, on its launch, it was plagued with problems that soured people's enthusiasm for the new OS.
    Same thing could be said for iOS and Android.

    Compared to iDroid, I think BlackBerry 10 probably progressed the fastest from it's launch state to where it is now. It took iOS several versions to get to a point where it only kinda sorta handles email attachments properly.
    01-17-16 12:58 PM
  20. David Tyler's Avatar
    Who called Chen a liar?
    I didn't write that you called him a "liar" per se -- however, I'm not sure how else to interpret your assertion that "we can see through JC's obvious attempts to get BB10 owners to stick around and sell existing BB10 inventory until they can ramp up their Android development enough."

    You're speculating about what will happen with BlackBerry 10, and you make a decent case; but a.) you don't know how things will go down, and b.) other people read the tea leaves differently. The forums and know-it-all blogs are littered with failed predictions regarding BlackBerry. If time passes and you're right..? Well, yay. You can tell everyone you knew it all along then, but I'm not sure what the point is in doing it now.

    Your comment about BBOS is correct -- it seems there are still so many people using BIS phones, BlackBerry can't just tell them all tough noogies. I still use a BBOS phone, and I'm sure glad they haven't canned BIS (like they said they would in 2013). Just goes to show: You never know.
    01-17-16 01:39 PM
  21. JulesDB's Avatar
    As long as they make sure to include Lithuanian then they will be unstoppable!!

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    Ahah you're right: Lithuania is just littlle more than 3 millions inhabitants... this could make an huge difference!
    BTW I love your country
    01-17-16 01:45 PM
  22. Richard Vickery's Avatar
    mousil: what do you mean by saying that you "don't know it"? Even if you don't listen to Chen, it's hard not to realise unless you close your eyes as well; with the amount of BB10 devices that I see carried in public, before Chen's announcement that there are 10 million users of BB10, I made a guess that there were 1,000 BlaackBerry users in every city, which equals Chen's statement within what I consider a reasonable margin of error.
    01-17-16 02:01 PM
  23. Q10Bold's Avatar
    Oh man.... I hate Chen for that whole BB1O and androsh*t thing!!

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    01-17-16 02:30 PM
  24. anon(6038817)'s Avatar
    I didn't write that you called him a "liar" per se -- however, I'm not sure how else to interpret your assertion that "we can see through JC's obvious attempts to get BB10 owners to stick around and sell existing BB10 inventory until they can ramp up their Android development enough."

    You're speculating about what will happen with BlackBerry 10, and you make a decent case; but a.) you don't know how things will go down, and b.) other people read the tea leaves differently. The forums and know-it-all blogs are littered with failed predictions regarding BlackBerry. If time passes and you're right..? Well, yay. You can tell everyone you knew it all along then, but I'm not sure what the point is in doing it now.

    Your comment about BBOS is correct -- it seems there are still so many people using BIS phones, BlackBerry can't just tell them all tough noogies. I still use a BBOS phone, and I'm sure glad they haven't canned BIS (like they said they would in 2013). Just goes to show: You never know.
    Hope springs eternal.
    01-17-16 03:23 PM
  25. mousii's Avatar
    Agree. I used my Z10 until the start of this week.


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    What is the new device?

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    01-17-16 03:40 PM
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