Still NO ReplayGain support on the BlackBerry 10 built-in music player?!
- I am not using Neutron Player, and I don't have any interest in switching to this software
We're on 10.3.2 now, and I can't belive that there is still no ReplayGain support in the built-in music player on the BlackBerry 10 OS!
The ReplayGain values which are tagged in all my music files are simply ignored.
With music files encoded at varying volume levels, and this combined with the use of the music equalizer (which on many tracks encoded above a certain db level leads to clipping - also known as distortion and is therefore unusable), this functionality is becoming essential!
Note that BlackBerry 7 didn't have this issue, and would dynamically reduce the volume of tracks encoded too loudly, this still isn't true ReplayGain, but made the music equalizer usable.
This means that I still have to keep my BlackBerry Curve 9360 exclusively for music! I really hoped that BlackBerry 10 would allow me to carry one device, but it wasn't meant to be!
Even my old iPhone has similar functionality, but uses "iTunes NORM" which is a completely different system, but accomplishes the same effect. ReplayGain is much more standardized.
Am I missing something obvious, or is there seriously no ReplayGain support in the BlackBerry 10 music player?
Does BlackBerry 10's built-in music player support iTunes NORM instead of ReplayGain?
Or does it... ...simply not support any kind of volume leveling standard?
(I checked out Neutron Music Player but it's paid software, isn't optimized for battery life, and at �4 just for ReplayGain functionality (which should be built into the OS music player!), tell me I'm not being unreasonable? Additionally, I am not a fan of its UI, and would much rather use the built-in music player.)Last edited by Someone7272; 10-11-15 at 02:57 PM.
09-29-15 06:26 PMLike 0 -
Sure, you can tag the files with ReplayGain values, but if the software playing the music files doesn't support ReplayGain, the tags will be ignored, and the music will play at full volume.
It appears the ReplayGain is not supported by the BlackBerry 10 music player.09-29-15 06:37 PMLike 0 - ronfcRecovering CrackBerry AddictThanks, I personally use M4A files, and MP3Gain, but the problem is that the BlackBerry 10 OS built-in music player ignores the ReplayGain tags in the M4A files, and still plays them at full volume resulting in clipping/distortion. This doesn't happen on my iPhone or old BlackBerry OS 7 device.
Sure, you can tag the files with ReplayGain values, but if the software playing the music files doesn't support ReplayGain, the tags will be ignored, and the music will play at full volume.
It appears the ReplayGain is not supported by the BlackBerry 10 music player.
Cave, cave, moderator videt09-29-15 08:08 PMLike 0 - Thanks, I personally use M4A files, and MP3Gain, but the problem is that the BlackBerry 10 OS built-in music player ignores the ReplayGain tags in the M4A files, and still plays them at full volume resulting in clipping/distortion. This doesn't happen on my iPhone or old BlackBerry OS 7 device.
Sure, you can tag the files with ReplayGain values, but if the software playing the music files doesn't support ReplayGain, the tags will be ignored, and the music will play at full volume.
It appears the ReplayGain is not supported by the BlackBerry 10 music player.ronfc likes this.09-29-15 08:56 PMLike 1 -
Are you running a leak? Did you use ReplayGain software which actually re-encodes the audio file (that would be a really bad idea btw) to 'force' the ReplayGain? And, for safe measure, it's definitely the built-in music player on BlackBerry 10? What OS (package version + OS version) are you running?
- My Z10 is running 10.3.2.2474 + 10.3.2.2639
I am certain that it's ignoring ReplayGain values because there is a certain song (which has ReplayGain values) that was recorded at a very low volume, and on my iPhone, the sound is brought up to a comfortable listening level, whereas on my Z10, it's still whisper quiet, even at maximum device volume.
You make a valid point that BlackBerry's situation isn't ideal, and my biggest fear is that they will kill support for BlackBerry 10, and become "just another Android device manufacturer", as if we don't have enough of them. Guess I'll have to jump back on the iPhone bandwagon should this happen, as much as I hate Apple.09-29-15 09:08 PMLike 0 -
How do I know? The same audio is not clipped or distorted when played on an iPhone, Windows PC or BlackBerry OS 7 device, even when using an EQ.DrBoomBotz likes this.09-29-15 09:16 PMLike 1 - Sorry, but I don't think that's true. When activating the EQ, the Z10 boosts the audio beyond its own limits which is resulting in clipping. ReplayGain would lower the original volume level for louder tracks, creating headroom for the EQ boost.
How do I know? The same audio is not clipped or distorted when played on an iPhone, Windows PC or BlackBerry OS 7 device, even when using an EQ.09-29-15 09:31 PMLike 0 -
However, if the music player supported ReplayGain, it could be used to bring the levels down on the badly mastered tracks, which would allow headroom for the EQ to boost the low end without clipping. BlackBerry OS 7 devices seem to lower the volume of the track when selecting the EQ, which solves this problem. So I'm kinda surprised that BlackBerry 10 doesn't do this.
Obviously I can't share the audio tracks I'm listening to on here, but to try it yourself, grab a song from a reputable source like iTunes (make sure it's not a "Mastered for iTunes" track), something Commercial/Chart, Drum and Bass, Dance or Deep House, then try and bass boost it on BlackBerry 10. I bet it will be severely clipped.
Even some "Mastered for iTunes" tracks are still badly mastered and exhibit this problem, but not many.DrBoomBotz likes this.09-29-15 10:18 PMLike 1 - ronfcRecovering CrackBerry AddictHmm that's strange... prepare for the onslaught of questions!
Are you running a leak? Did you use ReplayGain software which actually re-encodes the audio file (that would be a really bad idea btw) to 'force' the ReplayGain? And, for safe measure, it's definitely the built-in music player on BlackBerry 10? What OS (package version + OS version) are you running?
- My Z10 is running 10.3.2.2474 + 10.3.2.2639
I am certain that it's ignoring ReplayGain values because there is a certain song (which has ReplayGain values) that was recorded at a very low volume, and on my iPhone, the sound is brought up to a comfortable listening level, whereas on my Z10, it's still whisper quiet, even at maximum device volume.
You make a valid point that BlackBerry's situation isn't ideal, and my biggest fear is that they will kill support for BlackBerry 10, and become "just another Android device manufacturer", as if we don't have enough of them. Guess I'll have to jump back on the iPhone bandwagon should this happen, as much as I hate Apple.10-04-15 07:37 PMLike 0 - Don't be a scrooge, �4 isn't a lot to shell out for Neutron. It's a brilliant music player and once purchased, it's yours for good on any device.
"Z30 STA100-2 UK" 10.3.2.2474 Get's a Ten from Fen.10-05-15 01:37 AMLike 0 - Right now I'm on Z30STA100-6/10.3.2.2789 but I don't think this is an issue since it's been working since day 1 (10.2). As far as a ReplayGain software is concerned, I do use MP3Gain, which changes the volume of the track, some would argue it's not really "lossless", but it doesn't matter since most of the time I keep a lossless copy, FLAC that is, of my MP3 collection.
(I checked out Neutron Music Player but it's paid software, isn't optimized for battery life, and at �4 just for ReplayGain functionality (which should be built into the OS music player!), tell me I'm not being unreasonable? Additionally, I am not a fan of its UI, and would much rather use the built-in music player.)10-10-15 01:19 PMLike 0 -
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ClassicSQC100-3/10.3.2.84010-10-15 01:56 PMLike 0 -
(I checked out Neutron Music Player but it's paid software, isn't optimized for battery life, and at �4 just for ReplayGain functionality (which should be built into the OS music player!), tell me I'm not being unreasonable? Additionally, I am not a fan of its UI, and would much rather use the built-in music player.)10-10-15 02:01 PMLike 0 - I was not bashing it. The old BlackBerry 7 music player was awesome, and didn't have the problem mentioned at the top of this topic. The BlackBerry 10 music player would be perfect if only it could recognize ReplayGain levels. The purpose of this topic was to find out whether there's a hidden setting to force the built-in music player to recognize ReplayGain levels or whether there's a hidden preamp level which I can use to drive the volumes up or down.
I still wouldn't get Neutron Music Player, even if it was FREE. I'd rather continue using my old BlackBerry 7 Curve 9360 solely for music than use Neutron Music Player.
ClassicSQC100-3/10.3.2.84010-10-15 04:48 PMLike 0 - Well there's no hidden setting to make the BlackBerry 10 music player recognize RG, and if you really dislike Neutron THAT MUCH then I think you should stick with your Curve for music. But to complain that much when there's a rea$onably priced fix out there is just whining to me.
ClassicSQC100-3/10.3.2.840
"Z30 STA100-2 UK" 10.3.2.2474 Get's a Ten from Fen.10-10-15 05:14 PMLike 0 - Well there's no hidden setting to make the BlackBerry 10 music player recognize RG, and if you really dislike Neutron THAT MUCH then I think you should stick with your Curve for music. But to complain that much when there's a rea$onably priced fix out there is just whining to me.
The point I'm trying to make (which you obviously haven't understood) is that this functionality should be built-in, as it is on iPhone, BlackBerry 7, Windows, Android etc. I should not have to rely on a third party app for this. If you can't understand that, kindly don't post back.
Thanks.
God, people like you are one of the reasons I avoid iPhone/iPod touch forums, but you're just as bad as them.
Let me guess, you're now going to proceed to flame me based on post count?10-11-15 01:34 PMLike 0 - It appears that you do not understand the difference between whining to you and posting a topic for support and asking a question. If you're going to make things personal, please leave this topic and do not post again.
The point I'm trying to make (which you obviously haven't understood) is that this functionality should be built-in, as it is on iPhone, BlackBerry 7, Windows, Android etc. I should not have to rely on a third party app for this. If you can't understand that, kindly don't post back.
Thanks.
God, people like you are one of the reasons I avoid iPhone/iPod touch forums, but you're just as bad as them.
Let me guess, you're now going to proceed to flame me based on post count?
People ARE telling you that you're being unreasonable.
Imo, I wouldn't expect it to be baked in, I've never heard of it before and I have no distortion or clipping issues using built in. So BlackBerry licensing such feature adds cost and takes away from third party app system.
Posted via CB1010-11-15 02:47 PMLike 0 -
Most of this ReplayGain kinda thing happens under the hood. If the RG tags are present in an audio file, then the player should adjust the gains accordingly. If not, then play at full volume. This would solve the clipped audio problem I'm having. However...
There is no cost in licensing ReplayGain as far as I know.10-11-15 02:55 PMLike 0 - It appears that you do not understand the difference between whining to you and posting a topic for support and asking a question. If you're going to make things personal, please leave this topic and do not post again.
The point I'm trying to make (which you obviously haven't understood) is that this functionality should be built-in, as it is on iPhone, BlackBerry 7, Windows, Android etc. I should not have to rely on a third party app for this. If you can't understand that, kindly don't post back.
Thanks.
God, people like you are one of the reasons I avoid iPhone/iPod touch forums, but you're just as bad as them.
Let me guess, you're now going to proceed to flame me based on post count?
The bottom line is replay gain is NOT built into the BlackBerry music player. Weather or not it should be is a matter of opinion. You've been presented with a fix and have chosen not to use it. Did you really think there was some hidden setting that would give you RG when you started this thread? I doubt it. You wanted to vent your frustrations with the player and take some useless stand against Nuetron.
ClassicSQC100-3/10.3.2.840Last edited by NCA510; 10-12-15 at 03:00 PM.
10-12-15 01:45 PMLike 0 - I didn't mean to make it personal, if you took it that way... Oh well...
The bottom line is replay gain is NOT built into the BlackBerry music player. Weather or not it should be is a matter of opinion. You've been presented with a fix and have chosen not to use it. Did you really think there was some hidden setting that would give you RG when you started this thread? I doubt it. You wanted to vent your frustrations with the player and take some useless stand against Nuetron.
It's more a taste of personal preference. Perhaps if it was more like �0.99 or �1.99 at the most, I would consider it.
There's just too many things that are not supported in Neutron Player which is kinda a dealbreaker for me. The lack of support for pause/play and previous/next song on the volume buttons are one of them. Obviously, also this software has no consideration for battery life, and although I carry two batteries, it's still sucking juice. "Active frame" not supported, and no ability to pause or skip songs from the volume bar, like in the built-in player. Finally, can you skin the music player to make it look exactly like the built-in player from 10.2.1? I loved that interface.
I just think Neutron has a lot to do before I can consider it a worthy contender.10-13-15 06:01 PMLike 0 - Sorry. No dramas.
It's more a taste of personal preference. Perhaps if it was more like �0.99 or �1.99 at the most, I would consider it.
There's just too many things that are not supported in Neutron Player which is kinda a dealbreaker for me. The lack of support for pause/play and previous/next song on the volume buttons are one of them. Obviously, also this software has no consideration for battery life, and although I carry two batteries, it's still sucking juice. "Active frame" not supported, and no ability to pause or skip songs from the volume bar, like in the built-in player. Finally, can you skin the music player to make it look exactly like the built-in player from 10.2.1? I loved that interface.
I just think Neutron has a lot to do before I can consider it a worthy contender.
"Z30 STA100-2 UK" 10.3.2.2474 Get's a Ten from Fen.10-13-15 06:26 PMLike 0 -
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