Yeah, and it very closely resembles the Nokia story. Same way of killing their own platforms (to make people shift to the new one) and switching to an alien OS. With results we all know. Let's hope that Mr. Chen is not BlackBerry's Elop.
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Yeah, and it very closely resembles the Nokia story. Same way of killing their own platforms (to make people shift to the new one) and switching to an alien OS. With results we all know. Let's hope that Mr. Chen is not BlackBerry's Elop.
And I will (in part): They are a software company that HAPPENS to make phones as part of their integrated solution strategy. The whole point of the Slider is exactly that. They want to keep that part of the business going. They want to go on offering that integrated solution. That means making phones. But if there is no money in there they WON'T. The Slider is the cheapest way to get a new phone out the gates WHILE solving the App Gap for good.
So if you really want to see a new BB10 device, pray the Slider does well enough (whatever Chen says well enough is). So the hardware division is not killed.
It doesn't really make sense to me that if the Android handsets sell well that will inspire status-quo BB10 handset or OS development. It's illogical. I mean THIS illogical:
http://www.youtube.com/v/jXR-6zEqTGU...hl=en_US&rel=0
I'll check the video in the morning, if you don't mind.
As for the rationale. BB10 devices (as in new ones), need an actual hardware division working. The Slider may or may not generate enough profit to keep the hardware business afloat. If that's the case, there is a chance for BB10 devices to come out.
Because there is still a hardware business. Not very illogical. I'm (and neither is Chen) promissing there will be new BB10 devices even if the Slider does extremely well, Apple-well. But if it fails and they kill the hardware business then it is done..
Not so illogical now, I expect.
Now fellas, it's 2:16am. Night all.
PS: Gooood... GOoooooooOOoood....
Agree with this! Even if you look at the great demonstration Mr Chen have on the Priv you can see he uses a bb10 device also as was trying to use gestures! So why not continue to believe in the OS for simple consumers along with businesses?!
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Please read with a jaunty slightly condscending tone. I don't mean to be mean, but come on, seriously?
A chance like "Hey, Satan! Here's a snowbal... oh, that's too bad."
Oh, come now. You don't believe that BlackBerry will take the millions of dollars in profit from wildly successful Android device sales to make SERIOUS investment in BB10, do you? Really? So they can lose $100 on every BB10 device they sell? Really? I believe you are being slightly not completely honest. Not with me, with yourself.
I think I understand what you mean. If there is no hardware division, there is no hardware division to not make BlackBerry 10 devices. If Android is a huge success, then the hardware division still exists, so BlackBerry can not make money-losing BB10 devices and focus solely on Android devices. THAT I can get on board with. I believe that Chen is the engineer on that train.
The notion that they would use some of the money to make BB10 run on the same hardware as Android devices does make sense... so... why not do it now. To save the little bit of money it would cost? I mean, will there be a business case to invest in BB10 to get it running on the slider in 6 months, when BB10 market share has declined to .1% (because of how successful BlackBerry has been at convincing BB10 customers to buy the Slider?)
No, still illogical, and also, it makes me :(
You may think I'm a hypocrite: because I'm being Mr. Buzzkill on threads that hold out hope of BB10 being "well supported" by BlackBerry.
Here's the thing: I have HOPE in the market, in the customers, in the BB community, in the people, and I have hope for the technology. I believe that BB10 is excellent, I believe that not enough potential BB10 enthusiasts are aware of BB10: that there would be a sustainable market for BB10 if BlackBerry didn't just mess up at every turn.
I want BlackBerry Ltd. to approach the market hopefully, and try to not just lie to our faces and botch the job every chance they get. I get kind of upset when BlackBerry management disrespects us, their most loyal customers. Lying is a form of disrespect.
Suggestions that a 'successful' handset division that is successful BECAUSE of Android OS on BlackBerry devices will lead to further development of BB10 is nonsensical and, yep, still illogical. Any real success of Android on BlackBerry hardware is not a boost to BB10, but it is the ultimate downfall of ANY investment in BB10. Android's success on BB10 hardware would disincentivize BlackBerry to write one single line of code beyond whatever contracts they have with the various government and large enterprise customers. The absolute MINIMUM to satisfy those contracts. What it WOULD do is spur investment in hardening Android more and more so that these key customers would be satisfied with Android only so that BlackBerry wouldn't have to continue to bear the burden of maintaining money-losing BB10: it would ACCELERATE BB10's complete irrelevance, not slow it down or reverse it.
It's like the stock market. Let's call one stock "Android" and the other "BB10". You own a whole bunch of "BB10" stock and it's dropping, a little more every week. Then you buy a bit of Android stock. It starts to rise. and rise and rise and rise. Eventually you have millions of dollars of profit in Android and what do you do? SELL A BUNCH OF ANDROID STOCK TO BUY BB10 STOCK WHICH CONTINUES TO DECLINE WEEK AFTER WEEK? No, that would be illogical. What you DO do (doodoo :-P ) is SELL your BB10 stock to buy MORE Android stock. That's logical.
Actually it is exactly opposite. WP/W10M is free for OEMs and OEMS with Android devices have to pay license fees to Microsoft.
In no time, we'll be just a regular joe like everyone else. No more I can tell people that i'm different.
ClassicSQC100-1/10.3.2.2639
Clearly, you know everything so much better than I, so I give up at this point. The only question is, if everything really is as it should be and BlackBerry really know what they do, why is it all such a disaster.
BB10 could have been the third OS, as a system it has all it takes for this. IMHO, what brought it to its today's pitiful marketshare certainly wasn't BB10 itself (which IMO is the most stable, secure, efficient and well thought-out smartphone OS of all the existing ones) but the way BlackBerry supported and promoted it, with lack of attractive powerful phones and no decent support for native developers in the first place. That's my opinion. Don't agree with it? Fine. I already know that I won't convince you, so let's not waste our time.
Switching to software model? Sure, maybe it'll keep them alive. But the genuine reason for this is still their BB10 failure. So it will be a life boat, not an intended and long-planned strategy.
They are much more important problems in this world to pray for. What I tried to explain to you was that expecting a Z10 successor is not something harmful for BlackBerry. It is me (and surely not just me) willing to give them my money for that. If they don't want my money, I surely won't pray for it. The day my Z10 becomes too slow or breaks, I'll just switch to something else. I don't need BlackBerry to live, it's BlackBerry who needs customers to live (rather than leave). Maybe the software business will be enough. Or maybe not. As long as they don't want my money (in exchange for a good Z10 successor) it is THEIR problem, not mine. For now, due to no successor being offered (for almost 3 years and clearly not in any foreseeable future), I'll keep using my Z10 as long as it works, of which BlackBerry won't benefit ANYTHING - at their sole discretion and risk.So if you really want to see a new BB10 device, pray the Slider does well enough
As for the Priv itself, as I already have Android 5.1.1 on my Nexus and I'll surely get on it the Android 6 update the day it comes out, and also considering that the Nexus with its unlocked bootloader allows me to multi-boot Ubuntu Touch, Sailfish OS and some further custom ROMs on it, I can't see absolutely any reason why would I ever want to shell out any money on this Priv which "for BlackBerry tightened Android security reasons" will certainly be locked, who knows, maybe even not rootable. BlackBerry logo alone surely isn't enough for me to pay for it, and in my personal case there are no other clearly perceptible advantages. And if I ever need any newer Android device then it certainly will be some new Nexus too, just because of its aforementioned flexibility and openness.
P.S. You don't need to answer, I think we've already agreed to disagree.
P.S.2 If you weren't commenting on every single sentence separately but rather tried to read at least whole paragraphs, I bet you would have understood a little bit more from what I was trying to explain.
Well, I dumped my contract with Sprint to get over to the Z10 on the day it was available, at a cost penalty, bought the Z10 for the full price outright (T-Mobile), and had been waiting for a device that fit what I was looking for. The z30 was a bit too early, and I wasn't convinced about the Passport, although I was intrigued by some of its features (and sorry to hear they hadn't done more with it). I got really excited about the Slider, and I couldn't wait for that, but slowly as the rumors started pointing more and more towards Android, I decided that the Passport SE would be my best shot--so I bought that outright as well.
Even Prior to BB10, I bought the Playbook and a Bold 9930. They screwed playbook owners hard, but I stayed loyal.
I didn't fail to come back as a customer to BlackBerry--they chose mostly lateral moves, instead of offering a full touch flagship, which they STILL don't have--last one being the Z30.
I'm pretty sure that the remaining Blackberry fans were very willing to come along, and even followed them onto things like the Passport (good choice as it turns out). No, the remaining BlackBerry fans have been totally loyal, the BlackBerry has let US down, not the other way around.
So, you're WAY off base blaming the people who HAVE supported BlackBerry for years. Really unfair view you are forwarding there.
KAM
Yeah, you're probably right. BlackBerry would NEVER promise something and then totally drop a product. No, not ever, as I stare at the Paperweight...er I mean Playbook on my desk.
KAM
You think maybe the fact that Blackberry has put its efforts behind a secure android and that they are investing in security companies MIGHT indicate that he's looking forward to a day when actual BB products (as we know them today) won't be there to fill that security roll?
KAM
Yeah, everyone meet back at the AndroidCentral Sub-forum...buried along with other insignificant Android phone companies.
KAM
Oh, wait...you mean BlackBerry DID have the means to improve its ecosystem by providing BASIC support to developers instead of hanging them out to dry? I'm sorry--this is just not possible. Didn't you hear--NOTHING is possible except the move to Android--it was the only choice every since before BB10 was even released. Yep, totally inevitable.
Seriously--I didn't realize it was that bad. Ridiculous. My sympathies.
KAM
Hello,
I have to say--anyone hoping that the Slider meeting with some untold success will lead to more BB10 development is going to be disappointed.
If you ran a company, and a certain product line failed for whatever reason, but another one did well...which one are you going to support/
If the Android phone somehow takes off, BB10 will be forgotten as soon as they can possibly end it. It's what they are HOPING happens. It's why it hasn't received the support that it needed. They've already decided it's going, they're just soft-selling that, and looking for the best way to put it out of the misery they forced it to be.
The writing is on the wall here, even though I don't think it needed to be that way, it is.
KAM
Lol. Some of you folks get too emotional over an OS.
PassportSQW100-1/10.3.2.2339
Could be because to most it was more than just an OS! We had belief in Blackberry when others said they were dead and for BlackBerry to return the favour like this is a bit of a slap in the face. Even from a developers perspective (As so kindly pointed out) BlackBerry have been far from appreciative!
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If you want BlackBerry to succeed then I would think you'd be glad to see them try something else when what they are doing is leading them to 0% marketshare.
PassportSQW100-1/10.3.2.2339
I wanted them to succeed with BB10 if I wanted an Android would of got one, it's that simple.
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Well in the end it'll be iOS and Android only. Can't help it nor stop it.
PassportSQW100-1/10.3.2.2339
Agreed therefore don't believe Chens lies, bb10 has no future only than being the "workhorse" for another project.
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Since when are they a software company? They've been making hardware as long as they've been developing software - surely they have some experience with hardware design and manufacture. Seems like a terribly poor excuse to me, especially when tiny companies can bring their products to market with the assistance of Kickstarter and its ilk.
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Pebble, a company of 100 employees, has managed to bring to market four models since 2013, with one million units shipped. They've also managed to cultivate a thriving community, brand and eco-system, with an increasing retail presence.
Yet BlackBerry, having developed mobile devices since 1996 and employing over 6,000 people, is claiming that device manufacture and supply chain logistics is too hard? That developing drivers for their own operating system is too resource intensive?
Whilst they're making claims that QNX driver development is too prohibitively expensive to release more than a couple of models a year, they're trying to sell the same software to other OEMs for embedded systems.
In other words, BlackBerry is a software company that won't develop products using their own software.
Bringing devices to market is hard - especially when you're inept.
Meanwhile, for every BlackBerry there's a hundred hungry startups like Pebble, each with more genuine drive, innovation and talent than the monolith BlackBerry could ever hope to have.
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I have the passport, my first BlackBerry... hub is OK, BBM is useless, security...Meh, link/blend are useful, but MOSTLY use android apps MOSTLY working just fine... BB10 R.I.P. ....yawn !!
Bumpkin
I wonder if anybody out there still miss rotary phones? Companies and technology, like just about everything else, evolve. Given time, we'll get used to it. I love my BB10 Passport and I'm looking forward to the Slider. Having options is fantastic!