03-31-16 09:10 PM
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  1. BBHermes's Avatar
    In all of the fuss surrounding the Facebook anti-update on BB10 and BBOS there is something not being emphasized and questioned enough:

    BlackBerry Facebook app will cease to work on BlackBerry 10 and BBOS from March 31st

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    BlackBerry point out that the reason why Android and iOS continue to have a native application, but not BlackBerry is down to the fact the native Facebook application on other platforms use a private API not available for general use, and has not been made available to BlackBerry.
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    The big question is, Why?

    Why give the api to Apple and Google (and, I presume, Windows), but not BB?

    Why should FB care? They are not the ones developing the app, unlike the case with WhatsApp.

    Is there some feature in that api that caused BlackBerry to refuse to license it?

    I'm suspicious of both FB and their subsidiary WhatsApp for a number of reasons. This does not negate Blackberry's incompetence, but I suspect there's more to this story than meets the eye.

    And why isn't Crackberry covering this story?

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    moyah8, Q10Bold and gugomat like this.
    03-15-16 02:50 PM
  2. Ment's Avatar
    Could be BB's resource commitment to their FB app. Perhaps BB wasn't going to update the FB app with the 'Reactions' capability and other things, so FB didn't feel like renewing the license to the private API. If the BB FB app is not current with features/bug fixes then some people will blame FB and not BB.
    03-15-16 03:09 PM
  3. Razuberi's Avatar
    I do not know if it's the case for iOS or Windows Phone, but the android app for facebook is not made by Google, it's made by facebook themselves. Therefore, they do not have to share this private api to anyone for their app. I guess on windows phone and iOS it is the same.
    The apps on BB10 and old BBOS versions were not developed by facebook and since they do not want to share their api with others, BlackBerry would be unable to implement it in its app even if they wanted to do.

    Via SQC100-1/10.3.2.2836
    Xeak likes this.
    03-15-16 03:14 PM
  4. Bogdan Tudor Dan's Avatar
    Good question

    Posted via CB10
    03-15-16 03:14 PM
  5. paulwallace1234's Avatar
    The Android, IOS and Windows Apps where created by Facebook.

    As for CrackBerry, they have lives too.

    Posted via CB10
    03-15-16 03:16 PM
  6. Grabber5.0's Avatar
    The Android, IOS and Windows Apps where created by Facebook.

    As for CrackBerry, they have lives too.

    Posted via CB10
    Truth
    03-15-16 03:26 PM
  7. JulesDB's Avatar
    Facebook doesnt want to develop it's own app for BlackBerry10.
    Whatsapp, owned by Facebook, does the same.

    That's a plot.

    Posted via CB10
    03-15-16 04:05 PM
  8. deremi's Avatar
    They are not giving API to iOS and Android. They made the app. They are just not opening the API to everyone. How soon we forgot the Twitter API a while back. They are just reigning in their API/Support.
    app_Developer likes this.
    03-15-16 04:48 PM
  9. pgg101's Avatar
    It would have bee nice is Facebook was available on the Amazon store.

    RedBerry Passport /10.3.2.2876 / Telus
    03-15-16 05:16 PM
  10. early2bed's Avatar
    "Private API" is referring to internal API's that are shared by the Facebook web team, the Facebook iOS, and the Facebook Android team. It's like saying that whatever your family is having for dinner tonight is a "private dinner" since nobody else is going to be invited to attend. It's really just your dinner - there's no conspiracy to exclude everyone else in your neighborhood.

    Give how popular smartphones are, these days, I'll be the mobile teams are just as important as the web team.
    03-15-16 05:30 PM
  11. Ronindan's Avatar
    With BB10 world wide market share being so low and still getting lower -Facebook just does not see the need to support bb10 at all. I surprised that people still can't see that BB10 low market share is going to drive off support from tech companies and developers.
    Dunt Dunt Dunt likes this.
    03-15-16 05:41 PM
  12. Invictus0's Avatar
    I do not know if it's the case for iOS or Windows Phone, but the android app for facebook is not made by Google, it's made by facebook themselves. Therefore, they do not have to share this private api to anyone for their app. I guess on windows phone and iOS it is the same.
    The apps on BB10 and old BBOS versions were not developed by facebook and since they do not want to share their api with others, BlackBerry would be unable to implement it in its app even if they wanted to do.

    Via SQC100-1/10.3.2.2836
    The Android, IOS and Windows Apps where created by Facebook.
    The Facebook app on Windows Phone is developed by Microsoft. I think Facebook is going to launch their own app soon though.
    03-15-16 06:10 PM
  13. BBHermes's Avatar
    Does anyone know how Face10 either

    1 Got the private api: or

    2 Developed their app without the aforementioned api?

    Again, not taking the official story at face value. Blaze says this is all FB's fault. Maybe but I'm not sure...

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    03-15-16 08:41 PM
  14. app_Developer's Avatar
    Does anyone know how Face10 either

    1 Got the private api: or

    2 Developed their app without the aforementioned api?

    Again, not taking the official story at face value. Blaze says this is all FB's fault. Maybe but I'm not sure...
    There are some 3rd party developers who discover and use private APIs in violation of the service owners' rights. It's one thing for a small developer in a garage to do this, it's quite something else for an established public company to do this. BlackBerry cannot use Facebook's private APIs without FB giving some specific license to do so.
    03-15-16 08:52 PM
  15. BBHermes's Avatar
    BlackBerry cannot use Facebook's private APIs without FB giving some specific license to do so.
    That is absolutely correct and not in question.

    At the same time, it's not clear to me that an FB app -- with Hub integration etc. -- cannot be built based on the browser version. If it works in the browser, why not build something based on it?


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    03-15-16 09:14 PM
  16. app_Developer's Avatar
    That is absolutely correct and not in question.

    At the same time, it's not clear to me that an FB app -- with Hub integration etc. -- cannot be built based on the browser version. If it works in the browser, why not build something based on it?
    Because they would have to scrape the site (messy and fragile work). Plus, without even looking at FB's T&C's, I would bet that would be in violation.
    Elephant_Canyon and JeepBB like this.
    03-15-16 09:22 PM
  17. Derek Stacey's Avatar
    Chrome does it on Android, actually I use that method on my Priv...it's better than the Android app IMO. Still get notifications, but through Chrome.

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    03-15-16 11:13 PM
  18. anon(9821186)'s Avatar
    In all of the fuss surrounding the Facebook anti-update on BB10 and BBOS there is something not being emphasized and questioned enough:

    BlackBerry Facebook app will cease to work on BlackBerry 10 and BBOS from March 31st

    =======
    BlackBerry point out that the reason why Android and iOS continue to have a native application, but not BlackBerry is down to the fact the native Facebook application on other platforms use a private API not available for general use, and has not been made available to BlackBerry.
    =======

    The big question is, Why?

    Why give the api to Apple and Google (and, I presume, Windows), but not BB?

    Why should FB care? They are not the ones developing the app, unlike the case with WhatsApp.

    Is there some feature in that api that caused BlackBerry to refuse to license it?

    I'm suspicious of both FB and their subsidiary WhatsApp for a number of reasons. This does not negate Blackberry's incompetence, but I suspect there's more to this story than meets the eye.

    And why isn't Crackberry covering this story?

    Posted via CB10
    I would say, just read the full list of permissions for the fb app on android, my employer blocked from phones and work computers, even blocks the like button on Web pages, and it's not because of time spent on it because I can go to sites like chaturbate.com with no problem lulz.

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    03-16-16 02:40 AM
  19. ray689's Avatar
    Chrome does it on Android, actually I use that method on my Priv...it's better than the Android app IMO. Still get notifications, but through Chrome.

    Posted via CB10
    How? Just curious

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    03-16-16 02:56 AM
  20. paulwallace1234's Avatar
    Chrome does it on Android, actually I use that method on my Priv...it's better than the Android app IMO. Still get notifications, but through Chrome.

    Posted via CB10
    The Facebook touch website has live notifications, technically any browser should be able to get the basics

    Posted via CB10
    03-16-16 05:24 AM
  21. RezzaBuh's Avatar
    The Facebook touch website has live notifications, technically any browser should be able to get the basics
    Posted via CB10
    And that means you need developers working on browser... I can't imagine BB10 browser will ever get any updates or new features.
    03-16-16 01:43 PM
  22. pgg101's Avatar
    At least the Face10 Dev is getting more business. Looks like it's BlackBerry's answer to a FB app.
    Questioning the Facebook Debacle-img_20160316_143334.png

    Classic /10.3.2.2639 / Telus
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    03-16-16 02:37 PM
  23. Ment's Avatar
    How? Just curious

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    Chrome supports push notifications in the browser since last year. Since BB10 is losing more app support and using mobile sites as replacements as time goes on, I would hope they put some resources into the browser to support this function.
    03-16-16 02:46 PM
  24. paulwallace1234's Avatar
    Chrome supports push notifications in the browser since last year. Since BB10 is losing more app support and using mobile sites as replacements as time goes on, I would hope they put some resources into the browser to support this function.
    It already does.


    Questioning the Facebook Debacle-img_20160316_200201.png
    Questioning the Facebook Debacle-img_20160316_200329.png

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    03-16-16 04:04 PM
  25. Ment's Avatar
    It already does.
    Is that the same as https://www.w3.org/TR/push-api/ because from my limited understanding that is what Chrome is using.
    03-16-16 04:09 PM
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