- For those who don't know what Progressive Web Apps (PWA) are, take a look at these videos:
short video ( )
longer video ( )
I know this is smth relatively new, not much information on the web yet, but maybe there are someone who could answer some questions here for us, for those who really won't let BB10 go away.
The questions I have would be:
1) Does BlackBerry OS meet all the criteria needed to implement PWA and to have them fully functional? If not, what's it missing?
2) Have you read/seen anywhere mr. Chen expressing his opinion on this? I could not find anything, but still, maybe someone knows smth.
3) Any long-term risks that you see if BB10 would start focusing on PWA?
4) Would implementing PWA be enough for BB10 to revive? If not, what else should be addressed?
p.s. I know kind of similar thread was created, but I decided to recreate it with proper keywords, so that people could find it easier.
The link to the old one: (https://forums.crackberry.com/genera.../#post12851749)
Thanks07-05-17 01:47 PMLike 0 - Webkit upon which BB10 browser is based would have to adopt it. Apple who is the primary contributor to the Webkit project since its used in Safari, isn't big on it so far since Google is pushing it the most for Android and there is some possibility it could threaten their walled garden app store on the margins. Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Microsoft Edge are or are planning to support progressive apps so eventually Webkit will as well but who knows about the timing.anon(8679041) likes this.07-05-17 01:56 PMLike 1
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The questions I have would be:
3) Any long-term risks that you see if BB10 would start focusing on PWA?
Well it would just be a strange thing for a software company to do - spend time developing software for an OS that is not being sold on current devices and nobody is making devices for.
4) Would implementing PWA be enough for BB10 to revive? If not, what else should be addressed?
Nothing will bring BB10 back to life - it will stagger on in its zombie state for a bit but over time it will die as hardware dies off.
Thanks07-05-17 02:06 PMLike 0 - Webkit upon which BB10 browser is based would have to adopt it. Apple who is the primary contributor to the Webkit project since its used in Safari, isn't big on it so far since Google is pushing it the most for Android and there is some possibility it could threaten their walled garden app store on the margins. Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Microsoft Edge are or are planning to support progressive apps so eventually Webkit will as well but who knows about the timing.07-05-17 02:08 PMLike 0
- What is in it for BlackBerry? They would spend money to update and maintain the browser and get no money out of the deal.07-05-17 02:13 PMLike 0
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Plus the horizon for ubiquity for progressive web apps is a few years and by that time what will BB10 be like, probably officially EOL.anon(8679041) likes this.07-05-17 03:06 PMLike 1 -
They no longer care about BB10, there is no further development.
Expecting anything about BB10 is just dreaming.
Posted via CB1007-07-17 12:59 PMLike 0 - They could pay mozilla fundation for this work. I dunno how much can be porting an app, but I am sure that for BlackBerry it is just cash.
Even they can try to obtain money from users through bbworld
IMHO a platform with an updated web browser is still an alive platform. BlackBerry browser is too outdated
Posted via CB1007-23-17 04:33 AMLike 0 - They could pay mozilla fundation for this work. I dunno how much can be porting an app, but I am sure that for BlackBerry it is just cash.
Even they can try to obtain money from users through bbworld
IMHO a platform with an updated web browser is still an alive platform. BlackBerry browser is too outdated
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Posted via CB1007-23-17 10:43 AMLike 0 -
- missing /s tag I see.
New BB10 smartphone model needs hundreds of millions to launch because no one is going to buy a new BB10 with 10.3.3 as its lacking features of a modern smartphone OS like an full-featured Assistant, native cloud service integration and lack of up-to-date native apps; neither is a partner like TCL willing to take that risk on the hardware. Plus you'd have to subsidize devs to come back to update or write apps. When does BB get money back in this scenario: it doesn't. Chen would be sacked by the board if he proposed this.anon(8679041) likes this.07-28-17 05:22 PMLike 1 - missing /s tag I see.
New BB10 smartphone model needs hundreds of millions to launch because no one is going to buy a new BB10 with 10.3.3 as its lacking features of a modern smartphone OS like an full-featured Assistant, native cloud service integration and lack of up-to-date native apps; neither is a partner like TCL willing to take that risk on the hardware. Plus you'd have to subsidize devs to come back to update or write apps. When does BB get money back in this scenario: it doesn't. Chen would be sacked by the board if he proposed this.
anon(8679041) likes this.07-28-17 05:59 PMLike 1 - Who? Blackberry Limited? They are an enterprise software company. Last September BlackBerry Limited announced they were leaving the hardware business. TCL formed BlackBerry Mobile to sell BlackBerry Android phones.
If BlackBerry Limited has a few extra million to invest, they will spend the money on enterprise software.07-28-17 08:12 PMLike 0 -
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If this would happen, I'd buy a minimum of 4 phones myself! Gosh... : )))08-03-17 08:20 AMLike 0 -
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You'd be incorrect in thinking that.08-03-17 08:29 AMLike 0 -
Say two developers only would work 8hr/day only on developing BB OS. That's around $200k a year. Aren't two developers enough to launch 2 updates within a year?
And then they could outsource that work in other countries with lower wages. In some countries a senior developer gets even $4k a month (not kidding, this is why a lot of companies do outsourcing)!
Why?08-03-17 08:34 AMLike 0 - Why millions?
Say two developers only would work 8hr/day only on developing BB OS. That's around $200k a year. Aren't two developers enough to launch 2 updates within a year?
And then they could outsource that work in other countries with lower wages. In some countries a senior developer gets even $4k a month (not kidding, this is why a lot of companies do outsourcing)!
Why?08-03-17 08:48 AMLike 0 -
Because it wouldn't help them push more device sales. BB10 has already proven itself to be a massive market failure.08-03-17 08:50 AMLike 0 -
Or if that doesn't work, just two BB developers = $200k08-03-17 08:51 AMLike 0 -
- How feasible would be to start a crowdfunding campaign? For the sake of saving BB10 and getting some updates. The way I'd imagine this happening is by adjusting bb10 OS for the Keyone and pushing some updates, at least once every 6 mo. I think TCL doesn't care which OS they put on. It's just BB Ltd which will have some costs while adjusting BB10 OS for the Keyone and maybe a few updates.
If this would happen, I'd buy a minimum of 4 phones myself! Gosh... : )))
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