[i_plod_an_dr_void]

I'd say the one now is getting more done. The last guy was just a politician. The guy now, like him or not, is a businessman. You might disagree with him, but things are getting done. Nothing getting done before last 10-12 years before...

Must be Android. Tool not toy. LMAO.

Okay fair enough, but not the sharpest tool in the box.....otherwise "it would'a been a bb10".

[i_plod_an_dr_void]

Actually on the BlackBerry forum way back, when I proposed this very "nonsense"device....they laughed and called me names...somebody obviously ran with it, tucked under their jacket....rudolph with your nose so bright....
...and yes even Apple and Samsung are on this.

z20/20 Playbook2....
....and now Microsoft too has revived it....as a patent interest at least (the hingy thing) , if not actually a phone.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/1..._hinge_design/

[i_plod_an_dr_void]

Gosh...i forgot about the QNX magic...a z20/20 playbook2 bb10 hinged phone might not need a huge software add-on/re-write....just stick two bb10 phones together and let the QNX invisible linked network call magic do its thing in managing the super screen or dual screen (don't think the non-qnx os phones can do this sort of magic nearly as well as qnx). Hmm maybe CrackBerry makes the phone case to put the dual phone together....wow who else will have an independent dual phone (for 2apps) or redundant backup to boot (possibly solves the dual-sim problems as well for some countries, or different spectrums on each side of the phone for the global traveller)? Double the existing BB10 sales as well per person (maybe that Einstein bus quote a few comments back might be on to something...clap clap...).....:-) who will give Blackberry the seed money to just slap two z30's with maybe passport specs together?? lol....... a horse, a horse a kingdom for a horse.

[bhoqeem]

Just use it as it is, dude. And replace it with any other better phone when it's finally died.

Yes, BB10 was the best and all that, but unless ye can take over Blackberry (and even then still no guarantee you could do better) there's not much you can do about it.

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[markmall]

Can't leave out Mr Mobile's take on the android imitation copy (axon M) of my version of BB10's z20/20: Playbook2 this could have been YOU! ( red, white and blue tall hat, and pointy finger guy).
It wasn't Hein-sight that came up with the z20/20 vision though.... for those Thorsten...um Thirsting for answers.



Business users can throw away their ipad they carry with the phone (as can anyone, older and younger, and the dating type), with the right BB10 software installed.

I thought Android could not run at a 1:1 screen ratio. It sure looks like this one is doing it when the two screens are used as one.

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[Troy Tiscareno]

Android can run in any ratio (it is software), but there have to be STANDARDS for app developers to follow, and apps have a much narrower range of ratios that they required to support, and 1:1 is not on that list.

Some types of apps can easily scale to fit almost any screen, but many others take a lot of time and effort to support new/different ratios, because layouts, menus, and other elements need to be adjusted for usability. That's exactly why there are standards in the first place.

The vast majority of apps won't work properly with multi-screen because that essentially runs the apps in 1:1 - apps are being individually tuned to allow that to work. And perhaps some day 1:1 will be supported widely, but it isn't today.

[ttao]

Still happy on passport SE, have another one unopened when this eventually fails. Best biz phone I have ever owned.

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[stakie]

Agree with you on every comment..........lucky you..you have another one unopened. I should have done that myself....by the time I thought of it, it was too late...they were sold out......

[kvoox]

BlackBerry has done a very big mistake!!
BB10 is such an awesome OS and I'll keep using mine until it dies.

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[joeldf]

BlackBerry has done a very big mistake!!
BB10 is such an awesome OS and I'll keep using mine until it dies.

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So, going bankrupt would have been preferable?

Because that's where they would have headed.

[Kamika007z]

It's a shame really.

This is the best business oriented OS. The fluid work flow this thing has to offer is such a huge loss in the actual professional world. Went KeyONE, then back, went iPhone X, then went back. Both were a joke.

They just really did not know how to market and stay the course. It's like they were afraid to take any actual loud action and really talk about who they were, what they did, as well as what they had to offer.

Things take time to become successful but we live in an impatient world.

People forget just how long it took for Apple's and Google's App Store to mature, but they had the money to burn.

#duopolysucks

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[glwerry]

BlackBerry has done a very big mistake!!
BB10 is such an awesome OS and I'll keep using mine until it dies.

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Like @joeldf pointed out, when you're staring bankruptcy in the face and the product that you've invested BILLIONS in (BB10 / phone hardware) is NOT SELLING, then you do what you have to do to survive!

I'm not saying BB10 was a bad product - I liked it immensely.
But, it was NOT a mistake to move away from BB10 and the phone hardware business. Trying to keep BB10 and the phone business alive would be like trying to swim away from a sinking ship with your WORK BOOTS ON. If you keep the work boots on then you're going to drown. If you ditch the work boots then you have a fighting chance of being able to swim to help.

I myself moved to BB Android because there was a critical business app from Google that I could NOT get to work on BB10. So, for me it would have been a mistake to STAY with BB10, because it could no longer meet my needs.
It's like trying to haul 4 kids in a Corvette.

[conite]

It's a shame really.

This is the best business oriented OS. The fluid work flow this thing has to offer is such a huge loss in the actual professional world. Went KeyONE, then back, went iPhone X, then went back. Both were a joke.

They just really did not know how to market and stay the course. It's like they were afraid to take any actual loud action and really talk about who they were, what they did, as well as what they had to offer.

Things take time to become successful but we live in an impatient world.

People forget just how long it took for Apple's and Google's App Store to mature, but they had the money to burn.

#duopolysucks

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There was NO more time to mess around.

It launched, it failed, and they were on the verge of total insolvency 6 months later.

[markmall]

There was NO more time to mess around.

It launched, it failed, and they were on the verge of total insolvency 6 months later.

I think this is a gross oversimplification, but I do not want to engage in another debate. I just want people to know there is not unanimity on this topic.

[conite]

I think this is a gross oversimplification, but I do not want to engage in another debate. I just want people to know there is not unanimity on this topic.

Look at the balance sheet. It's unequivocal.

The only way out was a complete slash and burn and the hopes of building the business around something else.

[Elephant_Canyon]

I think this is a gross oversimplification, but I do not want to engage in another debate. I just want people to know there is not unanimity on this topic.

There is near-unanimity, at least among those who are not BB10 diehards, hoping against hope for the day when Apple and Google will simultaneously fall and BlackBerry will rise, victorious, from the ashes of their charred and mangled corpses.

[Chuck Finley69]

I think this is a gross oversimplification, but I do not want to engage in another debate. I just want people to know there is not unanimity on this topic.

The cash burn rate on the company was fact. Basic Accounting 101 and Finance Principles 301 can show as fact. Marketing Principles 301 explain in detail theories of better marketing but a good professor reminds the students of caveat regarding limitations of the necessary economic resources.

Nobody cares about there being unanimity on the subject. The only necessity is survival. All BB10 represents in BB history is epic failure that almost killed BB.

[markmall]

The cash burn rate on the company was fact. Basic Accounting 101 and Finance Principles 301 can show as fact. Marketing Principles 301 explain in detail theories of better marketing but a good professor reminds the students of caveat regarding limitations of the necessary economic resources.

Nobody cares about there being unanimity on the subject. The only necessity is survival. All BB10 represents in BB history is epic failure that almost killed BB.

You can't just say "cash burn" and "basic accounting 101" to make your point. Do you really know the numbers? What were they?

They had plenty of cash to run their business right and market their products. Why do you think TCL thinks it can sell BlackBerry phones while BlackBerry under Chen can't?

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[Troy Tiscareno]

They had plenty of cash to run their business right and market their products. Why do you think TCL thinks it can sell BlackBerry phones while BlackBerry under Chen can't?

TCL's costs are significantly less than BBs. TCL has economies of scale (component costs, manufacturing) and much less expensive labor costs (hardware design, software development, manufacturing).

That's going to make a big difference between what BB can sell a given phone for and what TCL can sell it for and still make a profit.

BB lost over $100 every single time it sold a BB10 phone, both because the development costs were so high (with BB10, sales of the phones had to pay for all costs of the entire platform). While Google bore most of those costs with BB Android, the other costs were still too high for BB given their low production volumes and no economies of scale.

[joeldf]

You can't just say "cash burn" and "basic accounting 101" to make your point. Do you really know the numbers? What were they?

They had plenty of cash to run their business right and market their products. Why do you think TCL thinks it can sell BlackBerry phones while BlackBerry under Chen can't?

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You are kidding, right?

https://us.blackberry.com/company/investors/documents

Look at the FY 2014, which is the earliest they have on that site and starts during the summer 2013.

Geez, why are some people so delusional about the financial situation BlackBerry was in? It's all right there. It's not a "feeling".

[Chuck Finley69]

You can't just say "cash burn" and "basic accounting 101" to make your point. Do you really know the numbers? What were they?

They had plenty of cash to run their business right and market their products. Why do you think TCL thinks it can sell BlackBerry phones while BlackBerry under Chen can't?

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BB never had plenty of cash. If you not sure how to read a cash flow, balance sheet or income statement, the courses I quoted would explain in full detail what I've been saying always here on CrackBerry.

You choose not to believe what all the independent analysts were saying before the introduction of BB10. There's no denying that Microsoft has exponentially more economic resources. Microsoft could have easily purchased BlackBerry and spent the economic resources on BB10 than on WP. Do you think Microsoft executives are not smart enough to take over BB if BB just needed marketing and cash?

It's why independent analysts rewarded both companies with upgraded recommendations when both companies dumped phone hardware.

[markmall]

BB never had plenty of cash. If you not sure how to read a cash flow, balance sheet or income statement, the courses I quoted would explain in full detail what I've been saying always here on CrackBerry.

You choose not to believe what all the independent analysts were saying before the introduction of BB10. There's no denying that Microsoft has exponentially more economic resources. Microsoft could have easily purchased BlackBerry and spent the economic resources on BB10 than on WP. Do you think Microsoft executives are not smart enough to take over BB if BB just needed marketing and cash?

It's why independent analysts rewarded both companies with upgraded recommendations when both companies dumped phone hardware.

Really? How much has Chen spent on acquisitions? Has he spent any cash on that? If so, there must have been some spare cash.

[markmall]

You are kidding, right?

https://us.blackberry.com/company/investors/documents

Look at the FY 2014, which is the earliest they have on that site and starts during the summer 2013.

Geez, why are some people so delusional about the financial situation BlackBerry was in? It's all right there. It's not a "feeling".

So linking to their financials makes your point? They had plenty of cash to mount a good marketing campaign for their BB10 devices. Web ads were not going to do it. You don't believe me? Look at their financials:

https://us.blackberry.com/company/investors/documents

[Chuck Finley69]

Really? How much has Chen spent on acquisitions? Has he spent any cash on that? If so, there must have been some spare cash.

Why should they have spent any money on an OS that was not going to make any money. BB10 wasn't supposed to succeed. BB was better leaving people on BBOS since it was generating positive cash flow. Every dollar spent on BB10 after company insiders had dumped their shares was simply wasted cash.

From all four directions, BB10 was going to be a failure since the economic resources at BB at their peak were pennies in a casino, grains of sand on the beach.

It was over before it ever began. Why do you think everyone (insiders) dumped all (mostly) of their shares? This was before Chen even showed up..

[markmall]

Wasn't supposed to succeed? You guys have to give it a rest.

Ask Heins, the CEO at the time, if he knew that BB10 was going to be a failure. Ask the other people around him. You are delusional if you think a company makes those sort of capital expenditures knowing the venture is going to fail.

I don't know why you guys keep pontificating like you know everything. Blackberry still had a lot of brand power and shelf space when they launched BB10. "Pennies in a casino"? Whatever.

You think BB lacked the resources to sell smartphones as it had been doing? How big a company was Apple when it started selling iPhones? It simply sold a good product through exceptional marketing.