My Personal Opinion. I think we have already seen the best that BB10 has to offer
- To me, personally, it doesn't matter if I've seen all that BB10 has to offer because I am still excited to actually get my hands on what I've seen so far. However, I don't believe what we've seen is all there is to the entire system. Plus, majority of consumers will still be wowed at launch because they have not seen as much as those who follow fan sites like us.
I'm betting there will be some people who will watch videos of the launch and the debut of BB10 with an attitude that underestimates the OS: ie. "That nice but it's not that cool"...However, once they see people or their friends using the system in real life...curiosity will pique...they start playing around with the system...and then maybe they'll think "Wow...this is actually quite neat!". I've seen that happen.kuffkuff likes this.01-16-13 11:08 AMLike 1 - Most of the leaks are planned IMHO. And you know something is up when certain things never get leaked.
- Processor specs have never been revealed.
- headline apps have never been leaked
- The newer functionality has only been leaked to the bare minimum - voice control, map navigation, bbm video chat, screen sharing. - these have been functional on internal builds since december
Anyone with a keen eye will realise we keep seeing the same information being leaked over and over, just differently. What has been leaked is designed to maintain momentum and get potential buyers into the mindset that they NEED to "check out that blackberry 10" when it launches.
The launch will serve to confirm a lot of the leaks as well as provide depth to them and introduce the headline apps and finer points of the software.01-16-13 11:17 AMLike 0 - So you mean like BlackBerry 10 does?
BlackBerry 10 doesn't multitask like the PlayBook does, at least not yet. There is no "all singing all dancing" like there was on the PlayBook. You can't take the video player, YouTube, Pandora, all 4 Angry Birds games and need for speed and let them all run at once and hear and see them running in the background. With BlackBerry 10, you minimize a game or a video and it stops. It pauses the instant it enters the background. The only exceptions are the same exceptions made with iOS. Apps like Pandora will play audio while in the background, but pretty much everything else pauses and in some cases gets killed to free up resources for other tasks. Browser tabs included. There is no opening the browser to a YouTube song list, then sending the browser to the background while you listen to tunes like the PlayBook allows you to do.
Android's allegedly inferior multitasking will at least allow you to see two apps running on the same screen. I can watch a video while I compose an email or surf the internet on Android, I can't do that with BlackBerry 10. Look at the latest Galaxy devices and the ICS powered Optimus G. With those, you can actually see two apps running at once. You can see a ton of apps running at once on the PlayBook. That isn't the case with BlackBerry 10 so far. I've yet to see a single example of BlackBerry 10 multitasking better than what I have seen certain ICS and Jelly Bean devices do. If you have an example, I'd love to see it.01-16-13 11:28 AMLike 0 - Suppose each of these operating systems was running on a single core CPU, only one program can run at a single time, they are just switching so fast between all of them that they appear to the end user like they are actually all running simultaneously. Each of the operating systems(iOS, Android, BB10, WP8) has a list of programs running at the same time, so they are all capable of multitasking. The difference is which operating system is the most efficient at starting and stopping programs so that it doesn't feel like they are actually switching back and forth. What makes QNX a real time OS is that it can guarantee a response time to an event, it's designed to respond to important events(that are dictated by the programmer) which is why it multitasks so well. Its certainly capable of running multiple windows at the same time....every OS is. It can already run a carousel of apps at the same time as cards, it is not magic to make two of them fill up the screen beside eachother.
Sent from my SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 201-16-13 11:39 AMLike 0 -
- You lost cred on your very first sentence when you said one core can run only one program at a time.
And Android can have two programs actually RUNNING at the same time...like two videos. No, it's not magic, it's not an illusion...it's innovation...something no one else seems to care about over the past 3-4 years.
Sent from my SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 201-16-13 12:15 PMLike 0 -
And to the part you added in later, they could have 100 videos running at the same time if they had a good enough processor and enough memory. Its an illusion though because they aren't actually running at the same time(unless you have multiple cores), they are just switching back and forth so fast that it seems that way.01-16-13 12:21 PMLike 0 - So you mean like BlackBerry 10 does?
BlackBerry 10 doesn't multitask like the PlayBook does, at least not yet. There is no "all singing all dancing" like there was on the PlayBook. You can't take the video player, YouTube, Pandora, all 4 Angry Birds games and need for speed and let them all run at once and hear and see them running in the background. With BlackBerry 10, you minimize a game or a video and it stops. It pauses the instant it enters the background. The only exceptions are the same exceptions made with iOS. Apps like Pandora will play audio while in the background, but pretty much everything else pauses and in some cases gets killed to free up resources for other tasks. Browser tabs included. There is no opening the browser to a YouTube song list, then sending the browser to the background while you listen to tunes like the PlayBook allows you to do.
Android's allegedly inferior multitasking will at least allow you to see two apps running on the same screen. I can watch a video while I compose an email or surf the internet on Android, I can't do that with BlackBerry 10. Look at the latest Galaxy devices and the ICS powered Optimus G. With those, you can actually see two apps running at once. You can see a ton of apps running at once on the PlayBook. That isn't the case with BlackBerry 10 so far. I've yet to see a single example of BlackBerry 10 multitasking better than what I have seen certain ICS and Jelly Bean devices do. If you have an example, I'd love to see it.
It is this distinction that QNX (as a real time operating system) will never allow you to drop a telephone call while you launch your Angry Birds game --- also allows you to play a HD video in the background without any stuttering. The playing of a HD video in the background without stuttering is just a bonus in terms of multitasking. The real prize is running the baseband telephone calls under a single OS along with the GUI and your apps.sf49ers likes this.01-16-13 12:29 PMLike 1 - It can run a single thread at a time. Although a program can be made up of many threads so actually sometimes it can only run part of a program at a single time.
And to the part you added in later, they could have 100 videos running at the same time if they had a good enough processor and enough memory. Its an illusion though because they aren't actually running at the same time(unless you have multiple cores), they are just switching back and forth so fast that it seems that way.
Sent from my SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 2Rickroller and mikeo007 like this.01-16-13 12:33 PMLike 2 -
- The only multitasking that matters is that QNX/BB10 will run the actual cellular telephone functions, the whole GUI and your apps all together. iOS and Android both have to use a second OS (iOS uses ThreadX) to run the cellular telephone functions.
It is this distinction that QNX (as a real time operating system) will never allow you to drop a telephone call while you launch your Angry Birds game --- also allows you to play a HD video in the background without any stuttering. The playing of a HD video in the background without stuttering is just a bonus in terms of multitasking. The real prize is running the baseband telephone calls under a single OS along with the GUI and your apps.01-16-13 01:09 PMLike 0 -
- I agree with the original poster.
RIM has made the most revolutionary change in it's history ever going from their OS7 to OS10. That itself was a monumental feat that consumed the company for 2 years, but it was an investment in themselves to allow them going forward for the next 10 years and ability to expand and build upon this QNX platform.
I don't expect to see everything, and I hope not to. I think we see BB10 helping to stop the loss of Blackberry users for now and maybe winning some back. I expect more dev support over time, more must-have apps, and more efficient RIM concentrating on a few devices (like Apple) so it becomes a more profitable company.
I want RIM to give us a solid experience, not one with many features that are half-baked or buggy. So if it takes time, let them take time and do it right. We don't want another "Mapplegate" or similar problem.
Let us hope for a solid BB10 adoption and slow but steady growth that puts them ahead of Windows phone. Rome was not conquered in a day.
Sent from my BlackBerry 9810 using Crackberry Tapatalk Forum appRickroller and ricocan like this.01-16-13 01:25 PMLike 2 - That is literally how it works.
jeez I thought I was complimenting Android by saying it can multitask!!Last edited by derpOverflow; 01-16-13 at 01:49 PM.
01-16-13 01:32 PMLike 0 - I thought you were saying that only QNX does "real" multitasking, while the Android multitasking is simply an illusion, making me think it's running two programs at once when it's simply switching back and forth so fast that my mind thinks it's running them simultaneously. Much like how David Blaine tricks me into thinking he's levitating when *SPOILER ALERT* he's really not.01-16-13 02:05 PMLike 0
- I'm still waiting to see an example of BlackBerry 10 multitasking better than Android.
Rickroller had no trouble finding a great example of how well Android can multitask. Seems like it would be even easier to find evidence of BlackBerry 10 multitasking better than that. Considering that for months we've seen people going on and on about "real-time os" that and "industry leading multitasking" this.
I think a lot of people here should lower their expectations a tad bit. I'm sure BlackBerry is capable of doing some great things. But so far, I haven't seen any evidence of it doing any of those great things. I certainly haven't seen it multitask as well as Android will.
High expectations = a invitation for disappointment.pillswoj likes this.01-16-13 02:05 PMLike 1 - I thought you were saying that only QNX does "real" multitasking, while the Android multitasking is simply an illusion, making me think it's running two programs at once when it's simply switching back and forth so fast that my mind thinks it's running them simultaneously. Much like how David Blaine tricks me into thinking he's levitating when *SPOILER ALERT* he's really not.01-16-13 02:23 PMLike 0
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- I'm still waiting to see an example of BlackBerry 10 multitasking better than Android.
Rickroller had no trouble finding a great example of how well Android can multitask. Seems like it would be even easier to find evidence of BlackBerry 10 multitasking better than that. Considering that for months we've seen people going on and on about "real-time os" that and "industry leading multitasking" this.
I think a lot of people here should lower their expectations a tad bit. I'm sure BlackBerry is capable of doing some great things. But so far, I haven't seen any evidence of it doing any of those great things. I certainly haven't seen it multitask as well as Android will.
High expectations = a invitation for disappointment.
Sent from my SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 201-16-13 02:50 PMLike 0 - I see. As a consumer, I suppose the only thing that matters to me is the end result. This is a big question I hope to get answered when BB10 is released, will I be able to perform multiple functions at the same time, similiar to what can be done with the Note 2 (and now GS3 i believe). Obviously this level of muti-tasking might not be useful for everyone, but I do find it useful and use it in almost every situation with my Note 10.1 tablet.01-16-13 02:52 PMLike 0
- I'm still waiting to see an example of BlackBerry 10 multitasking better than Android.
Rickroller had no trouble finding a great example of how well Android can multitask. Seems like it would be even easier to find evidence of BlackBerry 10 multitasking better than that. Considering that for months we've seen people going on and on about "real-time os" that and "industry leading multitasking" this.
I think a lot of people here should lower their expectations a tad bit. I'm sure BlackBerry is capable of doing some great things. But so far, I haven't seen any evidence of it doing any of those great things. I certainly haven't seen it multitask as well as Android will.
High expectations = a invitation for disappointment.
Each Android manufacturer decides on which "modem" chipset to run and which RTOS to run the baseband.
Baseband Processor Boot ROM - MILEDROPEDIA
BP firmware - MILEDROPEDIA
Many Android phones use Nucleus RTOS to run the baseband (which Apple also used Nucleus OS in iphone 1 - iphone 3).
Mentor Embedded Nucleus Real Time Operating System Used in Over 2.3 Billion Mobile Platforms, Reports VisionMobile Study - Mentor Graphics
Some uses a Qualcomm integrated chipset which requires a hypervisor, a RTOS and Android OS --- that's 3 operating systems.
Open Kernel Labs Embedded Hypervisor Enriches First Android Phone : VMblog.com - Virtualization Technology News and Information for Everyone
You run 3 operating systems and you are going to lose a lot of CPU power just on that overhead. That's the real benefit of BB10's multitasking --- there is no CPU power wasted on a hypervisor.sf49ers likes this.01-16-13 03:06 PMLike 1 - I see. As a consumer, I suppose the only thing that matters to me is the end result. This is a big question I hope to get answered when BB10 is released, will I be able to perform multiple functions at the same time, similiar to what can be done with the Note 2 (and now GS3 i believe). Obviously this level of muti-tasking might not be useful for everyone, but I do find it useful and use it in almost every situation with my Note 10.1 tablet.01-16-13 03:17 PMLike 0
- I see. As a consumer, I suppose the only thing that matters to me is the end result. This is a big question I hope to get answered when BB10 is released, will I be able to perform multiple functions at the same time, similiar to what can be done with the Note 2 (and now GS3 i believe). Obviously this level of muti-tasking might not be useful for everyone, but I do find it useful and use it in almost every situation with my Note 10.1 tablet.
There are 2 main benefits to QNX --- it is a RTOS and it is "safety" certified.
RTOS means that there is no need for a second OS to run the baseband functions. If you have an iphone or a non-Qualcomm integrated chipset Android phone --- that's the set-up --- one RTOS (nucleus RTOS or ThreadX RTOS for the baseband processor) and iOS/Android OS for the application processor. If you have a Qualcomm integrated chipset Android phone --- the set-up is a hypervisor + a baseband RTOS + Android OS.
"Safety" certified means that there is no need for to boot up a second "safety" certified OS anytime when you tried to watch netflix, make a mobile payment, or do corporate email --- which is what Android is doing anytime you watch netflix HD.
You take out the CPU overhead and you are going to have a faster phone with better battery life.01-16-13 03:26 PMLike 0 - I'm hoping they do this with the Playbook BB10, so that you can have two screens side-by-side...especially browser tabs. As far as the phones go though, you are out of luck for dual screen. I'm positive I saw a youtube video of an interactive frame with a video playing...hopefully they let you set it to showcase mode like on the Playbook that just eats away at your battery but looks nice lol01-16-13 03:49 PMLike 0
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