My Personal Opinion. I think we have already seen the best that BB10 has to offer
- With lesser RAM phones you may be correct...not so much with the newer iteration of Android phones with 2 gigs of ram. If I exit out of an app then it's closed, if I home button out of an app then it's idle and will re-open at paused state.
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Oh, and BlackBerry 10 don't need no "Home" button. That is SO outdated.
FYI, RAM has nothing to do with the ability to keep running apps on the background. That is up exclusively to the OS. Android is NOT a real-time, real multi-tasker OS, and you should know it.
You could add 6 GB of RAM and 40 cores to your Note 2 and it still wouldn't be able to multi-task for real. Don't get me wrong, the Note 2 is a nice phone but can't compare to the power of BlackBerry 10.01-15-13 09:52 PMLike 0 -
No popular phone right now can multitask in a way similar to a computer. Yet, Palm tired it and and failed by not having a variety of apps to appeal to the whole population. In my opinion RIM has done everything to intrigue the general population. Even if there are no new surprise on the 30th it will be enough to keep customers once they experience real multitasking. It is like synchronizing calendars. You do not really see the need for doing it. But, once you experience what it does it is hard to let go. That is what RIM is doing with their OS, APPs and selection of service providers. Bring to the spot light the necessity of computer like multitasking to mobile devices.
So in summary...yeah how can you say that, "BB10 is very much equal with the competition."01-15-13 10:01 PMLike 0 - I know that RIM is hiding something. Remember about the 90% is what RIM wants to be leaked and the other 10% they don't. Well BBM video calling was part of that 10% and look how quickly they got it off of the main CrackBerry website. The video that was released today would have been taken down if it revealed too much about the OS that RIM did not want you to know. Just my opinion.01-15-13 11:30 PMLike 0
- ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorAgreed. I'm already sold on the phone as is (though I'll admit, having a Dev Alpha and actually getting an excellent preview pushed me over the edge). Yes, anything else they introduce will be "gravy".01-16-13 01:57 AMLike 0
- we have seen plenty of the cascades as its built into UI/framework and we see that in all the apps and features we have seen so far.
Story Maker is the video editing software that has been shown off a few times.
Apps will be something to be revealed still and the cloud is still unclear on how much RIM has there.
There are things we havent seen obviously but there is alot we have seen. but to say "nothing really" is far from the truth
In addition perhaps some of the big surprise will come form 3rd party integration into the "platform" We need to remember RIM is working on more than just a phone OS!k3vtruj likes this.01-16-13 03:21 AMLike 1 -
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BB10 has nothing to tempt iOS/Android users away? Nothing? Are you serious? Nothing? Nothing? Nothing? Nothing? Nothing?
I had to see your post count and your badge, because you really seem misinformed about BlackBerry 10. We all here know iOS has a lot of users and lovers, and so does Android, but seriously? Nothing? You saying that BB10 is just too little? I mean, nothing?
I'm sorry but I just can't get over it... Nothing? Like nothing nothing?
I really think that you need to separate two things. One thing is user adoption and the other is actual Operative System matches. The first dictates if an OS is successful or not, the second if the OS is better or not. iOS is NOTHING but an app launcher platform. It does nothing if it doesn't have "an app for that". What made iOS what it is today were the DEVELOPERS that were the ones that took iOS to a whole new level. iOS is just a dumb OS if you really look at it. If you want to do something on it you must launch an app that will do what the OS itself can't.
Look, no one here is claiming that BlackBerry 10 will take iOS or Android down in the short term. BB10 is an impressive OS that will go to the hands of the consumers in two weeks and will prove itself as a real contender for iOS and Android.
I know that you "want to keep this thread civil" but dam dude, it's hard to stay calm when you see this much skepticism flirting with troll-ism. QNX + BlackBerry 10 + time = will prove you wrong, and that will be the major surprise from RIM.
i said it has nothing to tempt fans, not users. i see a huge difference in the 2.
fans are usually into their os, so i imagine that it would take something special to tempt them away. bb10 does not have something special for that task.
users are just general consumers, and they just want things that works. bb10 has every chance of tempting them.
so while you are having a go at me in your post, we actually agree.
Sent from my BlackBerry 9810 using Tapatalk01-16-13 06:57 AMLike 0 - [QUOTE=THBW;7857560]I honestly dont expect to see any major surprises come the 30th.
I think we've already seen the biggest features that BB10 has to offer.
The reason for this is because i read somewhere that in an interview that a RIM exec stated that their target with BB10 is 3rd, once they have 3rd wrapped up, they will shoot for second, then 1st in the mobile market.
This along with the fact that BB10, so far, offers nothing to tempt away fans of the other platforms, is what makes me think there is not much more to see from BB10. At best BB10 can grab the casual users of other platforms which by itself is no insignificant number.
Personally i think this is incredibly smart and realistic of RIM, they arent going all in, as people like to claim. While BB10 is certainly a last shot, they're aiming to rebuild themselves slowly, not in one fell swoop.
This is good because BB10 needs a lot more before it can hope to beat iOS and Android. I also think BB10 has the potential to evolve into an iOS/Android beater. but it will take time, and the fact RIM are shooting to retain the third at first shows they realise this
I'm seeing a lot of excitement for BB10 which isnt a bad thing, but i hope too many dont get caught up and expect something RIM cant deliver, because they will blame RIM for raising expectations when RIM are actually not guilty of that.
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While I appreciate your opinion, I think you are off base. Just look at the new releases we saw today. In every aspect, BB10 simply blows Apple out of the water. The camera comparison on gadgetmaster was particularly telling. Wow, the iPhone just looked like some sort of relic from the 18th century. This demonstration alone made me reflect on all the other issues that Apple seems to have with IOS. Can't incorporate an NFC chip that has been rival phones for two years. I used to loath the word leap frog from RIM but it looks like that just might happen. Why not think about being #1 or perhaps #2. It all seems possible with BB10.
maybe i am off. not long left to find out
Sent from my BlackBerry 9810 using Tapatalk01-16-13 07:04 AMLike 0 - With the 2GB BlackBerry Z10, and on the possible low-end BlackBerry Y10 with a simple swipe up from the bottom bezel, you will minimize the app and will lead you to the RUNNING apps screen (up to 8 at a time). Heck, even on my 1GB of RAM BlackBerry PlayBook, running a primitive BlackBerry 10 software I'm able to jump between ALWAYS running apps on the fly.
Oh, and BlackBerry 10 don't need no "Home" button. That is SO outdated.
FYI, RAM has nothing to do with the ability to keep running apps on the background. That is up exclusively to the OS. Android is NOT a real-time, real multi-tasker OS, and you should know it.
You could add 6 GB of RAM and 40 cores to your Note 2 and it still wouldn't be able to multi-task for real. Don't get me wrong, the Note 2 is a nice phone but can't compare to the power of BlackBerry 10.
Sent from my SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 2Saiga and Rickroller like this.01-16-13 07:51 AMLike 2 - Oh no no no my friend, that sucks, that is app switching... and is not real multitasking... some of those are open apps and some other are recent opened apps, even the "opened apps", that are suposed to be running, they are just "paused".. in a stand by mode, when you relaunch them, they "refresh" everything, try puting your chrome browser on idle and then coming back, it will "refresh" but not "updated" its content.
BlackBerry 10 doesn't multitask like the PlayBook does, at least not yet. There is no "all singing all dancing" like there was on the PlayBook. You can't take the video player, YouTube, Pandora, all 4 Angry Birds games and need for speed and let them all run at once and hear and see them running in the background. With BlackBerry 10, you minimize a game or a video and it stops. It pauses the instant it enters the background. The only exceptions are the same exceptions made with iOS. Apps like Pandora will play audio while in the background, but pretty much everything else pauses and in some cases gets killed to free up resources for other tasks. Browser tabs included. There is no opening the browser to a YouTube song list, then sending the browser to the background while you listen to tunes like the PlayBook allows you to do.
Android's allegedly inferior multitasking will at least allow you to see two apps running on the same screen. I can watch a video while I compose an email or surf the internet on Android, I can't do that with BlackBerry 10. Look at the latest Galaxy devices and the ICS powered Optimus G. With those, you can actually see two apps running at once. You can see a ton of apps running at once on the PlayBook. That isn't the case with BlackBerry 10 so far. I've yet to see a single example of BlackBerry 10 multitasking better than what I have seen certain ICS and Jelly Bean devices do. If you have an example, I'd love to see it.01-16-13 07:51 AMLike 5 - With the 2GB BlackBerry Z10, and on the possible low-end BlackBerry Y10 with a simple swipe up from the bottom bezel, you will minimize the app and will lead you to the RUNNING apps screen (up to 8 at a time). Heck, even on my 1GB of RAM BlackBerry PlayBook, running a primitive BlackBerry 10 software I'm able to jump between ALWAYS running apps on the fly.
Oh, and BlackBerry 10 don't need no "Home" button. That is SO outdated.
FYI, RAM has nothing to do with the ability to keep running apps on the background. That is up exclusively to the OS. Android is NOT a real-time, real multi-tasker OS, and you should know it.
You could add 6 GB of RAM and 40 cores to your Note 2 and it still wouldn't be able to multi-task for real. Don't get me wrong, the Note 2 is a nice phone but can't compare to the power of BlackBerry 10.
01-16-13 08:05 AMLike 4 - Android's allegedly inferior multitasking will at least allow you to see two apps running on the same screen. I can watch a video while I compose an email or surf the internet on Android, I can't do that with BlackBerry 10. Look at the latest Galaxy devices and the ICS powered Optimus G. With those, you can actually see two apps running at once. You can see a ton of apps running at once on the PlayBook. That isn't the case with BlackBerry 10 so far. I've yet to see a single example of BlackBerry 10 multitasking better than what I have seen certain ICS and Jelly Bean devices do. If you have an example, I'd love to see it.01-16-13 08:11 AMLike 0
- For those who have handled the phones they have good things to say about it. There seems to be genuine excitement for this phone. If it was simply a me too phone it would seem there would be a meh attitude towards it. Why are people excited for something that the competition can do? Is it RIM? For some people they are DOA. I think we have seen just the tip of the iceberg into what RIM is going to accomplish or has to offer.01-16-13 08:16 AMLike 0
- You can actually have 3 apps running at once with the Note 10.1 tablet (so i'll assume it's the same with Note 2). I can have a video playing, minimize it to cascade mode, and then using multiwindow, open up 2 other apps such as browser and Gmail, or Twitter and FB..whatever 2 I want really and STILL watch my video playing. With the PB in Showcase mode, you can minimize a running video, but you can't open any other app up with the PB and still see your video running.01-16-13 08:17 AMLike 0
- For those who have handled the phones they have good things to say about it. There seems to be genuine excitement for this phone. If it was simply a me too phone it would seem there would be a meh attitude towards it. Why are people excited for something that the competition can do? Is it RIM? For some people they are DOA. I think we have seen just the tip of the iceberg into what RIM is going to accomplish or has to offer.01-16-13 08:29 AMLike 0
- Its a phone, how much multitasking does it need?
Music playing while doing anything else (browsing, messaging, gaming etc) Yes - Don't all phones have this ability now?
Browsing, looking up contacts, calendar events etc while talking on the phone - Yes - I would hope all smartphone can do this.
What "true" multitasking are we talking about and why would I want it on my phone? This is a serious question, I did not consider this during my smartphone research and am getting a new phone at the end of the month (WP 8 is currently what I am considering)01-16-13 09:03 AMLike 0 - You can actually have 3 apps running at once with the Note 10.1 tablet (so i'll assume it's the same with Note 2). I can have a video playing, minimize it to cascade mode, and then using multiwindow, open up 2 other apps such as browser and Gmail, or Twitter and FB..whatever 2 I want really and STILL watch my video playing. With the PB in Showcase mode, you can minimize a running video, but you can't open any other app up with the PB and still see your video running.01-16-13 09:19 AMLike 0
- Its a phone, how much multitasking does it need?
Music playing while doing anything else (browsing, messaging, gaming etc) Yes - Don't all phones have this ability now?
Browsing, looking up contacts, calendar events etc while talking on the phone - Yes - I would hope all smartphone can do this.
What "true" multitasking are we talking about and why would I want it on my phone? This is a serious question, I did not consider this during my smartphone research and am getting a new phone at the end of the month (WP 8 is currently what I am considering)
Sent from my SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 2pillswoj and AtomicFrost like this.01-16-13 09:23 AMLike 2 - I'm be very happy with all that that I've seen so far with BB10. But I'll admit that it'll take much more to convince the RIM-bashers and public opinion, let alone return back to profitability/confidence.
Seeing how the smartphone landscape is at the moment, I think the clouds are clearing and Blackberry's time to shine is drawing ever closer.01-16-13 09:26 AMLike 0 - That is a cool feature having 3 different things on your screen at once, but like my desktop, i usually only have one thing open so i can complete that task, than switch back to whatever i was doing... Im not a robot with 6 hands, i can only look at and interact with one thing at a time... And i would prefer that one thing to be the full size of the screen... Maybe im to much of a realist, and not think of the future when ill have android arms grafted onto my body so i can keep up with the amazing multitasking of the note2jasonvan9 likes this.01-16-13 09:32 AMLike 1
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