My Opinion on How BB10 Has Done So Far On The Market
- What I fail to understand - is - If someone is not happy with their Z10, Q10, Q5 or Z30 - or BB10 - why don't they just find another one? Why having to blast all over the place of how unhappy they are.... It's not like you getting married - it's a tool - it's a phone - it's a device... get over it...11-18-13 03:44 PMLike 2
- Get ready to get attacked?.... strange how none of my Android friends ever tell me how they have been attacked.
There is no doubt that BB10 has failed. Of course I think BB10 is the best mobile OS out there right now (haven't used WP8). But it is immature and needs about another year to get to where it needs to be. But the problem is people aren't concerned with the OS, they want a Platform. And THAT is where BlackBerry really failed, thus making BB10 irelevent.
And then some specs that cannot be knocked easily.
And then a 'cool' factor.
I was utterly disappointed by the price points of the Q10 and Z10 at launch. Those were never designed to grow a platform starting from ZERO users and NIL mind share of a V1.0 OS.
I think the hardware and OS is/was great but it was naive to go toe to toe in price with the mature platforms from the onset.
And then we hear a billion's worth of Z10s have be written down and a new flagship all touch is in town so where is the "get these into users hands" discount? A discount is actually not so bad as it grows the ecosystem and attracts more devs? The other problem BB10 still faces; developer indifference..Paisley Pirate and Davidro1 like this.11-19-13 05:39 AMLike 2 - Exactly, a platform/ecosystem is what people care about.
And then some specs that cannot be knocked easily.
And then a 'cool' factor.
I was utterly disappointed by the price points of the Q10 and Z10 at launch. Those were never designed to grow a platform starting from ZERO users and NIL mind share of a V1.0 OS.
I think the hardware and OS is/was great but it was naive to go toe to toe in price with the mature platforms from the onset.
And then we hear a billion's worth of Z10s have be written down and a new flagship all touch is in town so where is the "get these into users hands" discount? A discount is actually not so bad as it grows the ecosystem and attracts more devs? The other problem BB10 still faces; developer indifference..
That is what is most worrisome... not the shortcomings, the fact that they didn't see them until it was too late (not really sure they see them even now).11-19-13 07:23 AMLike 3 -
Posted via CB1011-19-13 07:36 AMLike 0 - Whatcha talking about? BlackBerry OS devices are still outselling BlackBerry 10 devices quarter after quarter after quarter. BBOS may not be as popular as it once was, but it is still more popular than BlackBerry 10 is. Isn't that fact alone enough reason to consider BlackBerry 10 a failure?11-19-13 08:17 AMLike 0
- Whatcha talking about? BlackBerry OS devices are still outselling BlackBerry 10 devices quarter after quarter after quarter. BBOS may not be as popular as it once was, but it is still more popular than BlackBerry 10 is. Isn't that fact alone enough reason to consider BlackBerry 10 a failure?
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4Paisley Pirate likes this.11-19-13 08:18 AMLike 1 -
I agree with what you're saying, just thinking we maybe should stop using that term in a jokingly fashion.11-19-13 08:23 AMLike 0 - Yea!..that is what i think also and make a desicion to buy Blackberry Q5, it's my first BB phone. Before this it never come cross to my mind that i would buy and be a BB phone user. But after seeing about the new BB OS 10 and with the coming out of Q10 and Q5 also Z10, the innovative phones so far from BB it makes me think back about it and finally I've braved myself to buy it and i never regret. Q10 & Q5 THE UNIQUE QWERTY PHONES WITH INNOVATIVE BB OS10.11-19-13 09:16 AMLike 0
- Ya know, the 35th anniversary of the Jonestown tragedy was yesterday and thinking about it made me realize that it is really insensitive to use the term Kool-Aid drinker.
I agree with what you're saying, just thinking we maybe should stop using that term in a jokingly fashion.
"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is a metaphor commonly used in the United States that refers to a person or group holding an unquestioned belief, argument, or philosophy without critical examination. It could also refer to knowingly going along with a doomed or dangerous idea because of peer pressure
Jonestown was a man made tragedy... Maybe making what happened there the "****" of a joke will keep the memory of what those people allowed to happen alive and maybe cause someone to stop and think about what they are doing so it doesn't happen again.
Drinking the Kool-Aid is a part of pop culture today.... just as being overly "politically correct" is.11-19-13 09:37 AMLike 4 - If you have even the slightest negative thing to say about BlackBerry or if you have a problem with your phone that "we don't have" then yes absolutely. If you are realistic and thorough with your posts you will get a mix of hate and love. If you hold a cult-like affection to an inanimate object and a billion dollar tech company then you will have a peaceful time. Thus the guide to CB forums.11-19-13 09:43 AMLike 0
- Well said.
It isn't going to discourage me. I loathe writing for Android. BB10 is a joy to develop for. If BlackBerry can make it through all the premature reports of its death, more and more people will be drawn to the platform simply because it is much easier to get things done. The native application development situation will get better. Having more applications available will, if nothing else quite the nay sayers for a while.
Posted via CB10
Posted via CB1011-19-13 10:11 AMLike 0 - Not everyone has a "smartphone."
Some people are buying their first smartphone ever. I'm one. My previous phone was so bad, I didn't use it for much. I waited a long time before moving up to a better phone. Years.
I know hyperconnected people who use computers instead of their phone. They resist getting a so-called smartphone. I was one of them, too. Now I have a z10.
Now, my computers and their chairs get less face.time. I can move around more.
I can take care of last-minute stuff WAY better than ever. I can contact more people in less time, too. I see there are other benefits too.
My z10 was subsidized to the tune of $15/month so now I would have to pay an amount equal to its probable resale value, to remove it from my monthly carrier bill, and replace it with another phone like the z30. Buying the z30 at $600 sounds like a steal. But then unlocking the z10 and the z30, and paying the buyout cost of the subsidized z10, and adding in local taxes, all told it'll cost me more than $1100. Add a case or holster and it is certainly more than $1100.
So, where is my schmoozing BlackBerry rep giving me an incentive to move up to the z30 and to toss my Z10 to some new loving home? Not present. Inexistant. Absent. Missing.
At home I have iPad, ipod, appletv, imac, macmini server and more all from Apple. No iPhone. Never wanted an iPhone.
I haven't seen more than a handful of new to the market smartphone owners in CB discussion threads.
I know many people who don't use ANY of the features of their smartphone. Some don't even know how to get an app. These are executives and white-collar specialists highly educated and earning big salaries. So, 2014 and 2015 are full of potential, for whichever company that can figure out how to use these relatively new smartphone owners, to their mutual profit and benefit.
I did hate the obvious inadequacies of the z10 when I got it in February. I returned it and expressed my frustration a lot. Repeat this, once more in March: I got a z10 from another carrier and returned it after another trial and complaint process. Then, I did it almost all over again, late March. I got My Third z10 and complained a lot. I kept it. It's the device I used to type this post. I never go to CB web site on my imac because it's laggy.11-19-13 10:13 AMLike 0 - If you have even the slightest negative thing to say about BlackBerry or if you have a problem with your phone that "we don't have" then yes absolutely. If you are realistic and thorough with your posts you will get a mix of hate and love. If you hold a cult-like affection to an inanimate object and a billion dollar tech company then you will have a peaceful time. Thus the guide to CB forums.
Hotel Crackberry?
Cultberry?
My head is stuck in Kevin's assberry?
Posted via CB10m1a1mg likes this.11-19-13 10:13 AMLike 1 - I agree. When I began posting about complaints problems and misunderstandings, earlier this year, I got treated like scat, for a long long time. Where are the "gentilles organisateurs" that you see in every Club Med resort ? Where are the community organizers ? Why didn't CB start charging BlackBerry for doing their customer service work ? I am certain that one of BlackBerry's major competitors would have been manipulating all this from behind the scenes...11-19-13 10:22 AMLike 0
- Not everyone has a "smartphone."
Some people are buying their first smartphone ever. I'm one. My previous phone was so bad, I didn't use it for much. I waited a long time before moving up to a better phone. Years.
I know hyperconnected people who use computers instead of their phone. They resist getting a so-called smartphone. I was one of them, too. Now I have a z10.
Now, my computers and their chairs get less face.time. I can move around more.
I can take care of last-minute stuff WAY better than ever. I can contact more people in less time, too. I see there are other benefits too.
My z10 was subsidized to the tune of $15/month so now I would have to pay an amount equal to its probable resale value, to remove it from my monthly carrier bill, and replace it with another phone like the z30. Buying the z30 at $600 sounds like a steal. But then unlocking the z10 and the z30, and paying the buyout cost of the subsidized z10, and adding in local taxes, all told it'll cost me more than $1100. Add a case or holster and it is certainly more than $1100.
So, where is my schmoozing BlackBerry rep giving me an incentive to move up to the z30 and to toss my Z10 to some new loving home? Not present. Inexistant. Absent. Missing.
At home I have iPad, ipod, appletv, imac, macmini server and more all from Apple. No iPhone. Never wanted an iPhone.
I haven't seen more than a handful of new to the market smartphone owners in CB discussion threads.
I know many people who don't use ANY of the features of their smartphone. Some don't even know how to get an app. These are executives and white-collar specialists highly educated and earning big salaries. So, 2014 and 2015 are full of potential, for whichever company that can figure out how to use these relatively new smartphone owners, to their mutual profit and benefit.
I did hate the obvious inadequacies of the z10 when I got it in February. I returned it and expressed my frustration a lot. Repeat this, once more in March: I got a z10 from another carrier and returned it after another trial and complaint process. Then, I did it almost all over again, late March. I got My Third z10 and complained a lot. I kept it. It's the device I used to type this post. I never go to CB web site on my imac because it's laggy.
Posted via CB1011-19-13 10:24 AMLike 0 -
-
Posted via CB1011-19-13 11:07 AMLike 0 - I can't figure out why someone would get so worked up about this? If I wanted to run Android, I would go get an Android phone. Same thing goes for Windows and iOS. I am an ex BB user and now forced to use Android due to my present financial situation (Metro PCS subscriber here with an Android phone). From what I've seen so far, I like the new BB OS10. IMO, it is either an improvement over previous BB OS's or it is a completely new one, and as such, there's gonna be kinks in it and developers who are watching the adoption before they get off their asses and bring popular apps native to BB10. I for one am hoping BB will still be around next year when I can hopefully be able to sign up again with a carrier who has BB phones in their line up. I have used Android on a variety of phones and so far have been not overly impressed. Given a choice, I'd prefer the iOS experience over Android, but, love the physical keyboard of the Q10. And yes, I'm hoping BB comes out with a Q30 next year!Loc22 likes this.11-19-13 12:03 PMLike 1
- I think that the OS and the phone is wonderful I like total experience in using this phone. The phone being wonderful doesn't mean that they will be well received.
This phone is a total failure in the market because nobody dares to buy it as everyone is waiting for the demise of Blackberry. Unfortunately Blackberry has not yet gone bankrupt yet, to majority of the people this company and it's product is already dead and bankrupt. So they will not buy or use or even want to hear about this company and it's products or services. Period.11-19-13 12:03 PMLike 0 - I think that the OS and the phone is wonderful I like total experience in using this phone. The phone being wonderful doesn't mean that they will be well received.
This phone is a total failure in the market because nobody dares to buy it as everyone is waiting for the demise of Blackberry. Unfortunately Blackberry has not yet gone bankrupt yet, to majority of the people this company and it's product is already dead and bankrupt. So they will not buy or use or even want to hear about this company and it's products or services. Period.
Posted via CB1011-19-13 12:18 PMLike 0 - Does anyone really think that BB10 would be perfect at launch? Was ios perfect when it first launched ? Was Android when it first launched? No to both questions. BB10 is still very new and it will have lots of growing pains. We are spoiled with the other two os,because they have been around a long time. BB10 will get better.
Treaker, BB10 was quite ...late to the party. When they released BB10, it was a pretty soft OS, missing a lot of features that 10.2 [now has], but BB10 should have had on it's release. Add the lack of apps, the lack of knowledge about side loading, the lack of advertising, and the dreaded blackberry name, and it was quite possibly doomed from the start. I think if the Z10 and Q10 came with 10.2 preloaded, it might not have been so poorly received by the average consumer. When people think BlackBerry,
When people think BlackBerry, this is what comes to mind: [Reference early BB model]
Fortunately for BB, this is what people associated with Apple for quite a few years, and they were able to convince the general public they're innovative.[picture of an Apple IIc]
I think BlackBerry has a fighting chance ...
Well, I don't think BB10 is a failure....I think bringing apps to BB10 is where the failure lies. BB10, in my opinion is the best OS on the market. ... [ blah, blah, blah, blah] ... Now with the upcoming release of 10.2.1, which gives significantly more support for the android runtimes, the app issue will be a thing of the past. ... [more blah, blah, blah] ... Again, BB continues to improve, continues to give what users are asking for, and they are growing very fast. So your comment about BB10 being a failure seems a little harsh, considering you seem to be a BB fan as well. Blackberry screwing up a number of times, doing things that just don't make sense? Absolutely. I can show many failures in regards to what the company has done. But I don't think BB10 itself is where the failure lies.
The majority of smartphone users like apps, app selection even if they are crap, apps even if they will install the apps and not use them...then there are the others that like reliability, the platform itself, the phone usefulness, the practical users that is. I find BB10 provides all the tools I need for work, I find it the whole platform useful and reliable. I don't care for a range of apps that simply take up space in a phone. I can wait for updates so I don't even bother with the leaks. I guess is a matter of choices. The failure itself is right there, dictated by ... the ones that like apps and selection ... that can't be found on BB10.
BB10 is NOT a failure.....the issues with iOS are very quirky and weird....such as, i have seen on the new iPad, if you click on the "Brightness" options in the settings TWICE, it crashes Settings....REALLY? What the heck is that all about? I could see if you did something like that in a 3rd party app...but in the SETTINGS app? They have made 7 iphones and they STILL can't get Settings working properly? How many times has my Blackberry Z10 crashed in 2 months? ZERO....i've had Android apps that were side-loaded crash a couple times...but NEVER had FaceBook, Twitter, Hub, etc...crash....
I don't think we expected a perfect OS at launch & it's fair to say it's a new OS that needs time to mature.However, let's not forget that BlackBerry was already sinking badly before BB10 launched & there was delay after delay ... [that required] OS10 [to be]aspolishedas possiblebecause it NEEDED to be! What they delivered was very innovative, fresh but also buggy as hell! Horrible battery life, reboot issues which drove many people insane & MANY other glitches I don't need to get too detailed about. As the saying goes, 'you only have one chance to make a first impression ' & even though I was sold on it for what was to come & is yet to come, they really blew it!
The biggest issue I have with comparing this launch to ios or Android is that BlackBerry had been in the game already for many yrs & you might have expected more from THEM as opposed to ios & android who were starting from scratch when they entered. Thankfully they have survived thus far & they've rid themselves of a CEO who in my opinion failed plus have addressedmostmany of the OS's shortfalls & have brought someone in who appears to have the ability to turn this ship ... [and address] the forces that matter ... BlackBerry's biggest failure IMO is not the lack of apps but rather a failed marketing attempt to make people realize this is not the same old BlackBerry. Until you change people's perception of this company, it will be a steep uphill battle! What good is having the best, most innovative OS if people don't care about you anymore?
Your stated "early poor OS10 marketing" argument (and oft cited by others) has some (weak) legs but if you were in the game then (and where's my copy and paste), OS10 was not ready for prime time, was in fact a mini-disaster relative to IOS/Android, and only now with 10.2 leaks has OS10 taken on some reasonable competitive qualities juxtaposed with IOS and Droid (Apps, Eco-system, Photo quality, reboots/freezes aside).
Actually you do well in describing these shortcomings ... Consider that as poor as this Z10 (and Q10) intro marketing may have been, the disaster if 10.0 had gotten into the hands of former IOS/Droid users ... potentially even more ugly for BB today.
Has BB survived?: Know that a company dies long before the doors are closed or remnants are sold off?? Until BB OS10 posts a credible 5mm units sold in a quarter, BB has no ability to be taken seriously and is considered all but dead.
Somehow I can't combine the word "failure" and "so far" in one sentence.
I see BB as a startup - their products are not competing, they are not making big money, etc.
So far, they don't have a good business model. But I would say they failed *only* when CEO announces they leave the smartphone market. So far they are still trying. Will they fail? We'll definitely see.
Sparky, what gives!?!
There really are some stupid posts on CrackBerry these days... "my brother is stronger than yours" etc... And so many who have all the answers to the worlds problems...
Why this fighting? There are space for all - no need to be the only one .... BB10 is for many a huge success - myself included - and I guess that most of the naysayers really don't need a new phone - all they want is a new toy - a gaming device .... But - all those who needed a Good communication device, which can also be used for other things - are happy with BB10 - and have NO need for sideloading anything. Sideloading is similar to a child's silencer - to "mute" them all... 75-80% of all Android apps can now (soon with 10.2.1) be run on the same device that gives the elegance and power of BB10. Keep in mind - BB10 is not the hardware - its the platform...
I think, perhaps, that you are more referring to a good Bold or Curve device; BB was unable to flip their legacy users and, therefore, they were not considered (or ill-considered) as a suitable market. Regardless, the phone crowd demanding only basics is not a material part of BB’s target market (for OS10 platforms) except maybe as an afterthought with the Q5. … Albeit it is hard to determine what the OS10 target market might be, consumers are not going to pay $600+ for basic calling, texting, and emails. [See below poster.]
The problem is the sector of the market which just wants a "good communication device" is so small that BBRY cant survive in this niche (as the many 10000's of unsold Z10s proves). Truth is customers take the "good communication device" as a gimme. The toys as you call them, are actually the added value that people see as differentiators when selecting a handset to buy.
This must be in the Klondike.
This phone does everything that I need it to, and it is the hub for my self-employed business. Well, if there were some way it could filter out the sheer number of ridiculous, whiny emails I have to deal with on a daily basis, that would be awesome. Some sort of "***** filter," so to speak.
And you KNOW the market that good?
There are many reasons why some things sell - and some don't ... Windows is a good example of that you don't really need a good product to sell .... And also keep in mind - that many of the markets - most carriers outside UK/US/CA - does not "sponsor" any devices the way they do there... so people are "used" to paying $400-800 for a good device... Android devices are being thrown after you from 25$ and up...
Other things are similar... cars ex. ... who needs all these brands and models - they all have at least 4 wheels and carry you from A to B .. right? but many of them have special use - and many are sold with expensive added features that a "normal" person will never be able to use.. ex. a "family" car capable of 300+ Km/h .. Absolute no need [for BB] to be #1,2 or 3 - in order to sell - and be a successful company. You always need to pick the tool that is right for You - that gets the job done. That's why it is so good with options... BlackBerry is not for all, BB10 is not for all, .... should not be - There are many good devices out there -…
What I fail to understand is: If someone is not happy with their Z10, Q10, Q5 or Z30 - or BB10 - why don't they just find another one? Why having to blast all over the place of how unhappy they are.... It's not like you getting married - it's a tool - it's a phone - it's a device... get over it...
Indeed, there likely is a need to be number 3 to survive with BB’s strategy of a hard/software integrated phones. Regardless, BB cannot survive without selling 15-20mm phones per annum and are a non-entity w/o such tangible sales (i.e., with current 0% of smart phone marketplace). Read the financials. Thus there is negative net cash from OS10 operations, the hourglass has turned, and it will take more than a bucket of water to change things. [But you do sound like a well intentioned parent talking in today’s tones to protect a child.]
Or, alternatively, if someone is so happy with their phone they’d want to get involved with CB. Remember funerals are often involve the biggest collection of people … actually, people with many diverse reasons for being on this site. Hey, I’d just like to see a streamline OS10 with proper interleaving of its radio and data processes/functions .
Let's be honest: BB is not capturing market share, theyare losinghave no OS10 market share. OP is not that far off. …[L]et me say this: the way BB started out with BB10 has NOT been assisting to facilitate [was not] a smooth new beginning. [Indeed,] OS 10 was horrible on first release, multiple reboots, poor battery life and clearly a work in progress. With 10.2.1 and above, they are clearly heading in the right direction. Do they have enough time to turn this thing around in the cut-throat cellphone business? .... I do hope BB is astute enough to realize that this is probably their last chance. ...
If a user finds the purchased device working to his/her expectations and without any questions - then why would the person spend time on these forums. I believe many invested in the BB hyped stock and watching their investment to melt down so drastically it leaves one no choice as to complain and bash. .... just a general observation.
In markets like the U.S., where the phone is subsidized in the contract, people are "married" to their phone for regularly two years. The phone isn't necessarily free with the contract either. The user pays $0-$299 *plus* tax on the unsubsidized price. Switching phones either means buying a new one outright or paying an early termination fee (upwards of $350) to own the BB10 phone, selling it, and getting the new phone subsidized.
Exactly, a platform/ecosystem is what people care about. And then some specs that cannot be knocked easily. And then a 'cool' factor.
I was utterly disappointed by the price points of the Q10 and Z10 at launch. Those were never designed to grow a platform starting from ZERO users and NIL mind share of a V1.0 OS. I think the hardware and OSis/was[would be] great but it was naive to go toe to toe in price with the mature platforms from the onset. And then we hear a billion's worth of Z10s have be written down and a new flagship all touch is in town so where is the "get these into users hands" discount? A discount is actually not so bad as it grows the ecosystem and attracts more devs? The other problem BB10 still faces; developer indifference..
It isn't going to discourage me. I loathe writing for Android. BB10 is a joy to develop for. If BlackBerry can make it through all the premature reports of its death, more and more people will be drawn to the platform simply because it is much easier to get things done. The native application development situation will get better. Having more applications available will, if nothing else quite the nay sayers for a while.
Whatcha talking about? BlackBerry OS devices are still outselling BlackBerry 10 devices quarter after quarter after quarter. BBOS may not be as popular as it once was, but it is still more popular than BlackBerry 10 is. Isn't that fact alone enough reason to consider BlackBerry 10 a failure?
-Jonestown was a man made tragedy... Maybe making what happened there the "****" of a joke will keep the memory of what those people allowed to happen alive and maybe cause someone to stop and think about what they are doing so it doesn't happen again.
Drinking the Kool-Aid is a part of pop culture today.... just as being overly "politically correct" is.
… This phone is a total failure in the market because nobody dares to buy it as everyone is waiting for the demise of Blackberry. Unfortunately Blackberry has not yet gone bankrupt [but], to majority of the people, this company and [its] product is already dead… So they will not buy [nor] use [nor] even want to hear about [BB] and [its] products or services. Period.
[Note: Did you mean “unfortunately” or “fortunately” BB hasn’t gone into Bankruptcy. Let’s hope it gets (further) sold-off before bankruptcy….Freud would no doubt also agree.]Last edited by M65c02; 11-19-13 at 02:14 PM.
benberry808 likes this.11-19-13 12:56 PMLike 1 - Catch up. It's an industry leader in its new niche market of business and prosumer. iOS doesn't come close. I have not used an Android phone in over a year...but BB10 as an OS is better than iOS.
Posted via CB1011-19-13 01:00 PMLike 0 -
Posted via CB1011-19-13 01:03 PMLike 0 - Does anyone really think that BB10 would be perfect at launch? Was ios perfect when it first launched ? Was Android when it first launched?
No to both questions.
BB10 is still very new and it will have lots of growing pains. We are spoiled with the other two os,because they have been around a long time
BB10 will get better.
Posted via CB10Saiga likes this.11-19-13 01:21 PMLike 1
- Forum
- BlackBerry 10 Phones & OS
- BlackBerry 10 OS
My Opinion on How BB10 Has Done So Far On The Market
Similar Threads
-
Who in the US Has Picked Up a Z30?
By missing_K-W in forum BlackBerry Z30Replies: 43Last Post: 11-21-13, 04:28 PM -
10.2 on q10 and screen reader
By chris800 in forum BlackBerry Q10Replies: 8Last Post: 11-19-13, 02:51 PM -
Need advice selecting my first phone plan.
By atarinerd93 in forum General BlackBerry News, Discussion & RumorsReplies: 5Last Post: 11-18-13, 01:43 PM -
Z10- RIM Data is killing my data plan.
By Amerjy in forum BlackBerry Z10Replies: 3Last Post: 11-18-13, 01:25 PM -
Is there a way to set a different wallpaper for the Active Frames screen?
By lcgoldman in forum BlackBerry 10 OSReplies: 2Last Post: 11-18-13, 01:21 PM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD