- Cost and specs at a time when midtier devices were becoming more popular. Comparable phones like the Moto G and Lumia 630/635 sold quite well in western markets. The value proposition of these devices made them top sellers in emerging markets as well,
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Moto G sees largest sales in the history of Motorola
Moto G resurrects Motorola in UK market - CNET
Motorola Has a Hit?in Brazil - WSJ
The Z3 was benefiting from this trend to some extent but I don't know if sales or marketshare estimates were ever released (outside of the India numbers below),
From Indonesia to India ? Z3 Stays On a Roll | Inside BlackBerry
BlackBerry Z3's initial stock sold out two weeks since launch - timesofindia-economictimes
Also if memory serves it was built in Indonesia presumably to avoid import tariffs for said market.
So if it couldn't succeed there I doubt it would do better elsewhere.
The Z3 links are fairly unadulterated puffery, but thanks.03-10-16 03:37 PMLike 0 - If memory serves the Z3 flopped in its target market of Indonesia.
Also if memory serves it was built in Indonesia presumably to avoid import tariffs for said market.
So if it couldn't succeed there I doubt it would do better elsewhere.
The Z3 links are fairly unadulterated puffery, but thanks.
BlackBerry officially launches the BlackBerry Z3 in Singapore | CrackBerry.com03-10-16 04:16 PMLike 0 - The way I see it, BlackBerry had a phone that (on paper) was in a similar price and spec bracket as its competition and it could have benefited from this trend (more than it may have) but limited availability and a slow rollout (announced in February, still rolling out in August) hurt its chances.
similar spec = pass
similar ecosystem = fail03-10-16 04:22 PMLike 0 -
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- I would just point out that native application development seems to have picked up a tad, recently. It's almost as if the EOL for BB10 announcements have spurred certain devs to action and attracted a few new ones.
Can't think why...
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Posted via CB1003-10-16 05:58 PMLike 0 - I first had all possible app stores and on my PP and finally did a wipe and decided to go only with native apps, very happy with it...
I love the speed and PKB and the lightness, yes device feels lighter and easier to use for me and I don't have to try to remember or think, that I possibly could find an app for this or that...
I will stay native apps and got myself some nice Moleskine notebooks for paper notes...
Things seem easier again and more real than virtual...
When I look at all the younger people at workplace, they have expensive iOS or Droid phones and even do much less than me with those smartphones...btw see at lot lot broken iPhone sreens...
So I am not sure what all is really pushing all that app hunger, perhaps it's just a voice of an apple commercial in our heads...
BlackBerry 10 forever!!!
Posted via CB10ravencore likes this.03-10-16 06:23 PMLike 1 - A lot of good points from everybody here.
In writing, directing your profits from one device and carrying it over to fund another model, not to mention that's struggling, does not make it an appealing strategy to management. In the position that BlackBerry got themselves into really does not qualify for room for error. However, it would not really be such a bad idea to maybe keep their diverse portfolio open, as it is at the moment.
Think of each department like a member of a team. They all started equally and grew strong together. Unfortunate events occur throughout the year and cause a few of those members to under perform due to poor business decisions. Then you get this new player in and shows strength. You exercise it's capabilities to gain a bit more confidence, but not to the extreme that you exhaust this new platform. Instead you start allocating a few of that energy back to the rest of the team so that it can get the support it needs to grow strong again.
It's a tricky operation but doable.
Another thing to point out is what makes everyone think that the priv is making profit better than bb10 did?
Posted via CB1003-10-16 06:34 PMLike 0 -
The Priv's total costs are MUCH lower, as Google pays for most of the OS development, ALL of the ecosystem costs, and there are no driver expenses. That's why, according to Chen, BB needed to sell 10M BB10 phones per year to break even, but only 5M per year with the Priv in the mix. The difference in cost is dramatic.
Now, if BB was able to sell 100M phones per year, those fixed costs wouldn't be all that significant, because they'd be spread across so many phones that the cost per phone would only be a couple of bucks. But at 4M phones a year, the cost per phone is several hundred dollars (on top of the production costs of the phones themselves), which is why BB10 has always ran at a loss.JeepBB likes this.03-10-16 08:23 PMLike 1 -
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- BB10 has never made a profit - it has in fact cost BB a net of $9-10B US.
The Priv's total costs are MUCH lower, as Google pays for most of the OS development, ALL of the ecosystem costs, and there are no driver expenses. That's why, according to Chen, BB needed to sell 10M BB10 phones per year to break even, but only 5M per year with the Priv in the mix. The difference in cost is dramatic.
I would think most of the development costs for bb10 are now behind them and written off as losses and maintenance costs would be about equal. Since they are going to have to do customizations to android too to make them work on specific phone hardware and bug fixes, Android wouldn't be completely free either.
So I can see how they took massive losses to develop bb10 but I wouldn't think the costs would be so massive to maintain it.anon(8393425) likes this.03-11-16 12:35 AMLike 1 -
But if there is any chance the BlackBerry actually might keep bb10 alive if priv sales are good they should be communicating that better to the BB faithful.
Since if I was sure they had some level of actual commitment I probably would buy the priv.
And knowing that might sure change the relational dynamics on this forum for sure .
But as one of the other posters said Chen is perhaps ready to let all hardware die.
I think it's the wrong strategy but i'm also not in charge of BlackBerry .
Or maybe, I actually AM in charge of blackberry and pretending to be a regular crackberry user trying to get a sense for market sentiment. You never know, crazy things happen .ubizmo likes this.03-11-16 12:48 AMLike 1 - It seems that all is just speculation that making the Priv costs less than making BB10.
I am eager to know if it is true.
The camera.... or even the new sliding mechanism on the Priv sounds like a very costly design. Or is the cost of maintaining Android OS cheaper? Is that what they mean?
Edit:
just thought of something else. Maybe BlackBerry is also choosing to get out of BB10 because Android will eventually plan on making an OS that has a lot of similarities to BB10?
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- Iv'e never been particularly gifted at math but.
I would think most of the development costs for bb10 are now behind them and written off as losses and maintenance costs would be about equal. Since they are going to have to do customizations to android too to make them work on specific phone hardware and bug fixes, Android wouldn't be completely free either.
So I can see how they took massive losses to develop bb10 but I wouldn't think the costs would be so massive to maintain it.
With Android, most of those costs simply go away. Sure, BB is doing some customization and is making Android versions of some of the BB apps - but those have value even if BB exits hardware altogether, because they can run on any Android phone. Carriers don't need special training on the Priv or other BB Android devices because they already understand it and know how to support it. Friction at all levels is much lower, because the entire Android ecosystem of apps, services, 3rd party hardware, etc. is automatically available with no fuss.app_Developer and JeepBB like this.03-11-16 04:45 PMLike 2 -
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Whether you like the facts is another matter, but it doesn't change what the facts are. But some here are in fact denying the facts, or doing their best to convince themselves (and others) that those facts can't really mean what they mean. They're still in Stage 1 of the 5 stages of grief: Denial. And some will continue at that stage until the official announcement is finally made, at which time they'll move to Stage 2, which is Anger. People will post videos of themselves smashing their BB phones, or throwing them away, or whatever. They'll call for Chen's head, or curse Heins's name, or complain for the billionth time that BB should have advertise more or released a flagship all-touch or spent more to woo developers. But it won't change anything...03-11-16 05:27 PMLike 5 -
- Denial [No posts remotely related to reality, pls]
- Anger
- Bargaining
- ...etc.
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