- My point is that the APN into the NOC is no longer required by the wireless as it is now a public APN accessible from any internet connection. In fact you do access the NOC without going through the wireless carrier now when on a BB10 OS. You can remove your SIM and STILL be able to use BBM and Email. Therefore the ability to access the NOC using a standard internet connection is very possible.12-29-14 10:36 AMLike 0
- My point is that the APN into the NOC is no longer required by the wireless as it is now a public APN accessible from any internet connection. In fact you do access the NOC without going through the wireless carrier now when on a BB10 OS. You can remove your SIM and STILL be able to use BBM and Email. Therefore the ability to access the NOC using a standard internet connection is very possible.
Z10STL100-3/10.3.1.115412-29-14 12:04 PMLike 0 - Tried both.
1/ APN on android and Z10 are the same.
On Android, everything is just fine. On Z10 : Browser, push mail and BlackBerry World work. BBM Whatsapp Protect Viber etc... are bloqued due to "phone failed to connect to BlackBerry Server"
2/they claim that my BB10 device is set up as a regular android phone for browsing only. BlackBerry Services as BBM must be paid as a special service for 300 Dhs VAT (37.5 USD).
NB : I am still waiting for the Product Manager to call me back. I think it will take long...
Posted via CB10 on Q1012-29-14 12:17 PMLike 0 -
- Actually this is not true at all, different network and servers totally. But still no reason for carriers to be charging anything extra to BB10 users. Unless they are making use of the dedicated (leased line) they initially had installed for old BIS services. If this is the case I could understand carriers charging extra. Could also be done to save bw costs on their backbone by offloading BB10 BBM traffic to that dedicated line. What this would also mean then is even if your carrier lost internet connection for all cellular clients, BB10 users would still have BBM running even if internet did not work. (This may then be considered a value added service) It would also mean in this scenario that cross platform users would lose their BBM connection.12-29-14 12:51 PMLike 0
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I'm not sure I'd consider it carrier gouging. I moved my $30/6GB BIS data plan from my Torch 9800 to my Z10. People are paying $30 for 500MB now. I have no $5 BlackBerry service fee on my bill.
BB10 never used BIS, so I am unsure how the carrier can enable/disable certain functions like this.
If it really is the case, then I want my BIS email service back :mad:
that's right. Ask for it as you are entitle to that. IMO
edit: I misread. If you are not paying $5.00 then you have no BISLast edited by Alain_A; 12-29-14 at 03:55 PM.
12-29-14 03:22 PMLike 0 - I really wish people would take the time to learn how things work before making comments about it. Phones access the Internet through an Access Point Name (APN), which often looks like a DNS entry but isn't, and provides the same functionality as a router, but isn't. An APN is a service gateway. You can put whatever you want in the APN field, unless it is locked by your SIM card. But unless your carrier has an APN with that name, and your account is enabled on that APN you won't get any services. A cell phone carrier is not an ISP, and they don't work like ISPs.
So a carrier could SIM lock BlackBerrys to use APN BlackBerry.net, as Bell Canada did, but only activate your account for that APN if you have purchased a BlackBerry service plan. Even if they don't SIM lock the APN they could control who accesses each APN by IMSI and account type. So if you have a BlackBerry they know from the IMSI and block you from their standard APN, if they want to. You may not remember, but BBOS devices worked well enough on standard data plans for some people to dump their BlackBerry service plans and run their Curves and Bolds on iPhone or Android plans. AT & T started converting any plans they found a BlackBerry using to a BlackBerry plan without consulting the customer. Don't underestimate what a carrier can do with cell phone data.
Yes they are forcing BlackBerry 10 users to buy service they don't need, and can't use. Which never happens in business, or does it?
Z10STL100-3/10.3.1.115412-29-14 04:15 PMLike 3 - I really wish people would take the time to learn how things work before making comments about it. Phones access the Internet through an Access Point Name (APN), which often looks like a DNS entry but isn't, and provides the same functionality as a router, but isn't. An APN is a service gateway. You can put whatever you want in the APN field, unless it is locked by your SIM card. But unless your carrier has an APN with that name, and your account is enabled on that APN you won't get any services. A cell phone carrier is not an ISP, and they don't work like ISPs.
So a carrier could SIM lock BlackBerrys to use APN BlackBerry.net, as Bell Canada did, but only activate your account for that APN if you have purchased a BlackBerry service plan. Even if they don't SIM lock the APN they could control who accesses each APN by IMSI and account type. So if you have a BlackBerry they know from the IMSI and block you from their standard APN, if they want to. You may not remember, but BBOS devices worked well enough on standard data plans for some people to dump their BlackBerry service plans and run their Curves and Bolds on iPhone or Android plans. AT & T started converting any plans they found a BlackBerry using to a BlackBerry plan without consulting the customer. Don't underestimate what a carrier can do with cell phone data.
Yes they are forcing BlackBerry 10 users to buy service they don't need, and can't use. Which never happens in business, or does it?
Z10STL100-3/10.3.1.115412-29-14 05:00 PMLike 0 -
- A lot of arguing about this....
But it seems to me that if a carrier wants to continue to make more money off of BlackBerry users they can do it if they want to... it's their network. And I'm sure they are smart enough to figure out how to block the communication between a BlackBerry and the NOC.
It's why we really need to have options in the choice of Carriers....
try this:
when you connect via Wifi and BBM/Watsapp works - try to block ports as listed here:
BBM and Router Ports - #ichooseblackberry
KB26816-Using Video Chat, BBM Voice, or BBM Video behind a firewall
KB33102-Using BlackBerry Messenger Voice Chat behind a firewall
for watsapp:
networking - How to block the Whatsapp Android application in a network - Super User
in this case - you should get EXACTLY same error messages as from your carrier.
Paying for those services probably removes port blocks...
****ty operators.12-29-14 05:50 PMLike 0 - Gentlemen
I am back to you with some news.
My contact at Maroc Telecom told me that the techs of the carrier confirmed that using bb10 with android apn let you have browsing only. For BlackBerry services they configured their infrastructure to get into BlackBerry.net APN to control it as bbos and there you have to pay.
They do not know what if this configuration is marketed as explained or they neglected BlackBerry as plateforme for their customers
Posted via CB10 on Q10jpvj likes this.12-30-14 09:22 AMLike 1 - Soooo, I was right.
What a confusing mess, if I'd have to pay I would want full BISMobileMadness002 likes this.12-30-14 09:41 AMLike 1 -
Posted via fantastic BlackBerry Passport. Damn, this thing is so awesome, that I am short of words to describe it's awesomenes. Like Majestic As...12-30-14 09:44 AMLike 0 -
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Edit, simultaneous APN connections are possible, it doesn't mean that if the phone is configured for carrier APN one or more individual apps can't use a different APN.
This was possible in BB7.12-30-14 09:47 AMLike 0 - I was right that BB10 still uses the BIS infrastructure in a limited way of course and for more then just BBM, it's well known the email setup also uses the NOC to pull specific email settings
Edit, simultaneous APN connections are possible, it doesn't mean that if the phone is configured for carrier APN one or more individual apps can't use a different APN.
This was possible in BB7.
Posted via fantastic BlackBerry Passport. Damn, this thing is so awesome, that I am short of words to describe it's awesomenes. Like Majestic As...12-30-14 10:00 AMLike 0 -
End of story.MobileMadness002 likes this.12-30-14 10:07 AMLike 1 -
Z10STL100-3/10.3.1.1154commandos135 likes this.12-30-14 10:33 AMLike 1 - 12-30-14 10:40 AMLike 0
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