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Also, if you're suggesting that BB should take popular apps and port them themselves, that's not even legal. Those apps don't belong to BB.Superfly_FR and Elephant_Canyon like this.12-08-15 04:53 PMLike 2 - so an app that has been ported to bb world and is a bar file will still use the emulator ?
If you port your app to bbworld as a bar, it still runs in the emulator. It doesn't make the app more efficient. And apps that depends on Google play services will not port so easily or will have incomplete functionality.
Also, if you're suggesting that BB should take popular apps and port them themselves, that's not even legal. Those apps don't belong to BB.12-08-15 04:59 PMLike 0 -
If it's an android port, then yes it uses the Android runtime.
If it was completely rewritten from scratch as a native BB10 app, then no. This is why real native apps in BB10 you would expect to run faster, launch faster, and use less battery. But many apps on BBWorld are not native.12-08-15 05:06 PMLike 3 - Well I wouldn't call it an emulator. It's a runtime. But I believe that's what you meant.
If it's an android port, then yes it uses the Android runtime.
If it was completely rewritten from scratch as a native BB10 app, then no. This is why real native apps in BB10 you would expect to run faster, launch faster, and use less battery. But many apps on BBWorld are not native.12-08-15 05:13 PMLike 0 -
And as app_Developer correctly pointed out, it would be illegal for BB to take apps from another store and put them in BB World. The apps are the property of their respective developers, and it is up to the developers to decide whether or not to put their apps in BB World, whether converted APKs or natively ported.
If there was a simple solution to the app problem (besides moving to Android), BB would have done it long ago, and so would Microsoft, Jolla, Samsung, Firefox, Canonical (Ubuntu) and others. But the fact is that there is no solution to the app problem other than spending many, many billions of dollars trying to build a big userbase, or moving to Android. BB doesn't have tens of billions to spend, so they went Android.Elephant_Canyon and Al moon like this.12-08-15 06:03 PMLike 2 -
You called BlackBerry employees lazy bums which may or may not be true, but your reasoning has been thoroughly refuted.
You talked smack and you got called on it.Elephant_Canyon and kbz1960 like this.12-08-15 06:04 PMLike 2 -
Hope they do integrate BBM and also SMS (without opening up google's messaging app) into the HUB. I really am raring to pull the trigger on the Priv this Christmas. I know they can eventually add all the features to the Hub but I've been spoiled by BB10 Hub and I think I will get frustrated with the current form of Android Hub.12-08-15 06:28 PMLike 0 - Thanks for the feedback.
Hope they do integrate BBM and also SMS (without opening up google's messaging app) into the HUB. I really am raring to pull the trigger on the Priv this Christmas. I know they can eventually add all the features to the Hub but I've been spoiled by BB10 Hub and I think I will get frustrated with the current form of Android Hub.
SMS, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter are also there - but launch their respective apps when selected.
WhatsApp has already been confirmed for Dec 14th too.12-08-15 06:37 PMLike 0 - There are apps written in at least 2 languages (formerly 3 - Adobe WebWorx apps are no longer supported) that are considered "native" - they don't rely on the ART (Android Runtime) at all. But BB World also contains many Android apps that have been "repackaged" ("wrapped" in a BAR file), but they require the ART to function, and would not run if the ART was removed. Many people don't realize this, and assume that anything they download from BB World is native, but that is not, in fact, true. Anything that has the "Made For BB10" badge is native, and there are other native apps that, for one reason or another weren't given the badge, but many other apps are converted Android apps running on the ART.
And as app_Developer correctly pointed out, it would be illegal for BB to take apps from another store and put them in BB World. The apps are the property of their respective developers, and it is up to the developers to decide whether or not to put their apps in BB World, whether converted APKs or natively ported.
If there was a simple solution to the app problem (besides moving to Android), BB would have done it long ago, and so would Microsoft, Jolla, Samsung, Firefox, Canonical (Ubuntu) and others. But the fact is that there is no solution to the app problem other than spending many, many billions of dollars trying to build a big userbase, or moving to Android. BB doesn't have tens of billions to spend, so they went Android.12-08-15 07:05 PMLike 0 - Everyone chill or some people are going to get banned real fast.Superfly_FR and ppeters914 like this.12-08-15 07:35 PMLike 2
- I would consider myself a "light" app user. I mainly use few newspaper apps, google maps, a game or two, and a couple tool/utility apps and even I can see that there is an app gap. Some just don't work (or don't work well) with side loading.Dunt Dunt Dunt likes this.12-08-15 11:32 PMLike 1
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As most have stated already, the driving reason behind John doing this was because of apps. I still think that Blackberry 10 would have fared better if they had just marketed the phones better, and launched phones with high specs and reasonable pricing from the beginning. I hope they'll surprise us and give us at least one Blackberry 10 device in 2016, but I certainly won't hold my breath.
When BB cared least about BB10 when there was no Priv what can be expected now.12-09-15 12:51 AMLike 0 -
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My BlackBerry Z10 wouldn't work here because, no matter what I do, i can't legitimately get Google Services to work. Even "Snap" won't help me here ... and I always recommend Snap to BlackBerry 10 users.
Liquid smooth is almost irrelevant if I can't do my job on the phone while traveling.12-09-15 06:51 AMLike 3 - Well I wouldn't call it an emulator. It's a runtime. But I believe that's what you meant.
If it's an android port, then yes it uses the Android runtime.
If it was completely rewritten from scratch as a native BB10 app, then no. This is why real native apps in BB10 you would expect to run faster, launch faster, and use less battery. But many apps on BBWorld are not native.12-09-15 01:44 PMLike 0 - I'm very used to flying solo on many things I do, including choosing the smartphone that is right for me. I really don't care what some guy 1,000 miles from me is using as a smartphone. I don't care what car he's driving, nor what he had for dinner. What I do works for me and that's all that matters to me.
I have a decent LG Droid 4.4.2 that I use as backup because I need a few apps and want a "fun" phone for weekends. However, it's not my idea of a good business phone nor a great communication device and I would not want to use it full time. As an App-Running device? It's great. It's an awesome play phone for weekends. I use it for streaming music and running apps for Amazon devices, for depositing checks into my bank and for in-flight entertainment. Carriers like United Airlines require you to stream to your own device for in-flight on many of their planes now, and it's only Droid or iPhone apps that can do it. But for my business I choose BB. Both a 9900 and a BB10 device. Nothing beats it. And BB10 is quite simply an amazing OS. It is a shame it did not come along 3 or 4 years before it did. Things would have been different.
So, I still like BlackBerry very much.
And I'm not even Canadian. Go figure.12-09-15 02:01 PMLike 0 -
- Windows was terrible when it started, and no one cared about it in general until applications gave them clearcut use cases. Killer apps came along and Windows took off. Folks didn't by a PC to use Windows. They bought it to run applications.
Same actually goes for BlackBerry. How many folks would have cared without push email? THE killer app. Losing the Signal has a story about how BlackBerry caught on by showing off push email to the power players at various business conferences.
History shows us that platforms and applications that make them up win. Not operating systems.
PassportSQW100-1/10.3.2.2339SomeoneOrOther likes this.12-09-15 07:59 PMLike 1 - Every mobile OS is optimized to be liquid smooth. No platform team plays around with a jerky UI and says "OK, it's ready to go!" There may be technical reasons why things hang up now and then but just about any OS can run smoothly. A better test is to see how much animation is built into the transitions because those usually aren't added unless the hardware can keep up with it.
That fact that someone says they feel that OS is smooth is practically meaningless.DrBoomBotz and southlander like this.12-09-15 08:05 PMLike 2
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