- I think dark hub would be a nice final swan song to bb10 fans. How hard could it be to code that? Disclaimer, idk anything about qnx or the world around me
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- A reasonable estimate would be about 2M and dropping quickly. The last designs, the PP and the Leap, are both over 2 years old at this point, and while the PP SE isn't quite that old, it's really just a different case around the exact same hardware. Few people keep a smartphone much longer than 2 years even if it's fully supported, and we all know that BB10 is rapidly growing obsolete and losing support. I think that number will be 1M or less by the end of the year.06-30-17 01:30 PMLike 0
- A reasonable estimate would be about 2M and dropping quickly. The last designs, the PP and the Leap, are both over 2 years old at this point, and while the PP SE isn't quite that old, it's really just a different case around the exact same hardware. Few people keep a smartphone much longer than 2 years even if it's fully supported, and we all know that BB10 is rapidly growing obsolete and losing support. I think that number will be 1M or less by the end of the year.
I would have guessed more, but that includes people who double carry. In any case, it's almost certainly between 1 and 10 million, and probably < 5M.
At 2M that would be < 0.0002% of smart phone users.
Posted with my trusty Z1006-30-17 01:46 PMLike 0 - The last time BB mentioned user base (total between BBOS and BB10), the number was only 8M, and that was a couple of quarters ago, and they've been shedding around 2M per quarter, so that's a pretty reasonable guess.06-30-17 09:28 PMLike 0
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An unhappy user who doesn't trust in a company, probably will buy a device from someone else.
Something similar happened with PalmOS and Palm WebOS, executives and other parasites forgot about the users, but most of users never forgave them the years with lack of support. And at the end the cheap became expensive
Posted via CB1007-26-17 10:19 AMLike 0 - But this is huge mistake, because a happy user who feel that after some years using well supported device has recovered the paid investment is very likely that will buy your new device (imagine keyone2)
An unhappy user who doesn't trust in a company, probably will buy a device from someone else.
Something similar happened with PalmOS and Palm WebOS, the CEO, executives and other parasites forgot about the users, but most of them never forgave the years of lack of support
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Besides, did you not get value from your product already?07-26-17 10:22 AMLike 0 - And yet, pouring yet more money into the pit of burnt cash that is BB10 isn't going to return anything for BlackBerry.07-26-17 10:26 AMLike 0
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-ART can be polished and some android apps can work better.
-webkit browser should be updated, they decide to fork that BSD license browser, so they should update to a new webkit version or at least deliver the previous ported code for the community.
Unfortunately during lasts years we owe more to cobalt, conite and other power users than to blackberry employees
Posted via CB1007-26-17 10:39 AMLike 0 - I am not asking for a huge team, just a 4 or 5 skilled developers
-ART can be polished and some android apps can work better.
-webkit browser should be updated, they decide to fork that BSD license browser, so they should update to a new webkit version or at least deliver the previous ported code for the community.
Unfortunately during lasts years we owe more to cobalt, conite and other power users than to blackberry employees
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BlackBerry is a company and a company needs revenue to grow, putting any more time and effort to bb10 would be idiotic.07-26-17 11:54 AMLike 0 -
Posted via CB1007-26-17 12:09 PMLike 0 - But this is huge mistake, because a happy user who feels that after some years using well supported device has recovered the paid investment is very likely that will buy your new device (imagine keyone2)
An unhappy user who doesn't trust in a company, probably will buy a device from someone else.
Something similar happened with PalmOS and Palm WebOS, executives and other parasites forgot about the users, but most of users never forgave them the years with lack of support. And at the end the cheap became expensive
Posted via CB1007-26-17 01:07 PMLike 0 -
Posted via CB1007-27-17 04:49 PMLike 0 -
I would want Android Player to be an optional download from BlackBerry World and it be open sourced.
I also would want the browser to be upgraded or replaced with a new implementation.
Not necessary, but would be nice if they would take preorders for doing something similar to what they did with the Dteks for BB10. Could be with their existing Android partner manufacturers or others.07-27-17 07:03 PMLike 0 -
But many mobile devices were quite robust at that time, weren't they? My Philips Ozeo (also with the wheel on the side) was almost indestructible, like old Volvos.
We could abuse our phones and use them for a week or so.... Today we can't drop them from 1 m without consequences and have to charge them every day... Progress, they say.07-28-17 06:22 PMLike 0 - Would anyone who wants new devices pay for a 10.3.4 upgrade on their existing device? What would you want in the release to make paying for an upgrade worthwhile?
I would want Android Player to be an optional download from BlackBerry World and it be open sourced.
I also would want the browser to be upgraded or replaced with a new implementation.
Not necessary, but would be nice if they would take preorders for doing something similar to what they did with the Dteks for BB10. Could be with their existing Android partner manufacturers or others.07-28-17 07:43 PMLike 0 -
Why spend this much on BB10 for zero return instead of investing the money in enterprise software.
If people are ready to pay for upgrades for aging hardware it may convince the decisions makers that people are ready to pay for an on-the-market device running BB10. That is, do for BB10 what was done for the Dteks, but on pre-order basis.07-29-17 09:59 PMLike 0 - People seem to think that BB10 has no relation to QNX Neutrino and that no one at QNX is qualified to work on BB10 development. It would be interesting to know how much if anything of BB10 is in Radar.
I asked if people wanting a new device would be willing to pay for the upgrade to what could be 10.3.4 for existing devices and what they would want changed to make it worth their dollars.
If people are ready to pay for upgrades for aging hardware it may convince the decisions makers that people are ready to pay for an on-the-market device running BB10. That is, do for BB10 what was done for the Dteks, but on pre-order basis.
You would have to pay about $3000-$5000 per user to fund an update.07-29-17 11:22 PMLike 0 - I asked if people wanting a new device would be willing to pay for the upgrade to what could be 10.3.4 for existing devices and what they would want changed to make it worth their dollars.
If people are ready to pay for upgrades for aging hardware it may convince the decisions makers
You are never going to find enough victims willingly embarking on a losing venture, to support an attempt.Ecm likes this.07-29-17 11:35 PMLike 1 - People seem to think that BB10 has no relation to QNX Neutrino and that no one at QNX is qualified to work on BB10 development. It would be interesting to know how much if anything of BB10 is in Radar.
I asked if people wanting a new device would be willing to pay for the upgrade to what could be 10.3.4 for existing devices and what they would want changed to make it worth their dollars.
If people are ready to pay for upgrades for aging hardware it may convince the decisions makers that people are ready to pay for an on-the-market device running BB10. That is, do for BB10 what was done for the Dteks, but on pre-order basis.07-30-17 06:39 PMLike 0 -
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Divide that by about 10,000 users, and you'll get $3,000 to $5,000 each.
Since that is absolutely absurd, you will end up with zero users.
Don't forget, full-blown BB10 development was around 10 times that figure. Those are the days when you needed 10 million device sales per year just to break even.07-31-17 11:45 AMLike 0 - Here's the rub. If you had a million users willing to pay, and wanted at least a half booty effort, they'd only need to toss around $20 each per year. ART still would sit at 4.3, so all you could do is make a great OS slightly better, and it's glaring limitations would continue to exacerbate.
Should this assumption be correct the Android Player could be open sourced while at the same time be an optional download from BlackBerry World. This would enable the possibility of a an up-to-date runtime from a third party which could be delivered as any other app on BlackBerry World.
It would be a stretch to believe 100,000 users would pay for minimal advancement, especially since the price per person would now be $200. So maybe, just maybe there are 10,000 hardcore BB10 fans willing to toss in their cash, but at $2,000?
You are never going to find enough victims willingly embarking on a losing venture, to support an attempt.07-31-17 11:46 AMLike 0
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