- Bb has no debt at the time, the 1 billion debt plus Chen is the game play for get rid of it fast enough to transform to something else. It is useless to look back now, what is the lost of dream...hamed ghorbani likes this.06-01-17 02:59 PMLike 1
- Chen was hired AFTER BB10 was deemed a failure by the board of directors, AFTER the company went up for sale and no one was interested. He was hired to save the company by moving out of devices.06-01-17 03:02 PMLike 0
- https://techcrunch.com/2013/10/10/bl...k-the-company/
T H sold bb and took 10 million in the process. Bb was not without suitors, just the combine force of TH and Chen 's boss were won the board game. The history (after 10 - 20 years) might have a fair judgment later. IMHO. By the way, did you attend any share holder meetings or listened in on telephone? Just curious.Last edited by stlabrat; 06-01-17 at 04:39 PM.
hamed ghorbani likes this.06-01-17 03:15 PMLike 1 - Very interesting thread. FWIW, I loved the BB10 OS. It was so slick and had so many nuanced advantages over Android from a productivity standpoint. I used to proudly tell people that I had the best of both worlds with the awesomeness of BB10 productivity with access to any Android app I wanted via sideloaded apks.
And then the apks slowly stopped working. And then my company terminated its BES contract so I could no longer get my work emails on my phone. And then 3rd party vendors stopped supporting the little things that make having a BB so fun like cases.
Fast forward to today, I feel like I'm in a much better place as a BlackBerry user. With the move to Android, I've got my apps, I've got my work email and hopefully, 3rd party vendors will be back on board with their accessories (Incipio has been good... Otterbox: come back to BlackBerry!).
To address the original topic... would I like to see one more BB10 device? From a business standpoint, it wouldn't make much sense. I would much rather the software focus be on growing the BB/Android experience. Now if for some odd reason, BlackBerry were to announce a new BB10 device, you better believe I would buy it up in a second! But that would only be as a collector... it wouldn't knock off my KEYone as my daily driver.hamed ghorbani and BigBadWulf like this.06-01-17 03:18 PMLike 2 -
For ever? In this crowded market for how long?
He isn't Young
Oneday he will retire if he was celever he again start developing bb10
They Accept lose and its good
but escape is worst idea, they must continue with patient like Microsoft and make a better device
I hope when chen end
Finally a good person bring bbos again
Posted via CB1106-01-17 03:22 PMLike 0 - Save for how long?
For ever? In this crowded market for how long?
He isn't Young
Oneday he will retire if he was celever he again start developing bb10
They Accept lose and its good
but escape is worst idea, they must continue with patient like Microsoft and make a better device
I hope when chen end
Finally a good person bring bbos again
Posted via CB11
They are only licencing BlackBerry Android because it's there, and people are willing to pay just enough to make it worth the time.06-01-17 03:28 PMLike 0 -
Blackberry isn't a little android provider that licencing profits convince them in future, they need more money its clear soon they change their strategy with chen or another again for earn more money !
They will back to hardware when they want more money
That time they need their os
Posted via CB1106-01-17 03:43 PMLike 0 - I know I just speak about future ,about to one year or two years or finally 3 year later,
Blackberry isn't a little android provider that licencing profits convince them in future, they need more money its clear soon they change their strategy with chen or another again for earn more money !
They will back to hardware when they want more money
Posted via CB1106-01-17 03:47 PMLike 0 - Where are all of the other OSs that everyone was sure would be successful?
- Tizen? Only available in a couple of countries and only on entry-level "burner" phones. No apps, no support.
- WebOS? LG put it in TVs, but no one is putting it in phones. I doubt it will last in TVs either.
- Ubuntu Phone? They abandoned the project - they realized that no one actually wanted what they were offering.
- Sailfish? Jolla has made many announcements, but after 4+ years, there's been no actual traction, and there are only around 400 apps, which is beyond pathetic. There is no system for paid apps, and so developers don't care.
- WinPhone? MS has effectively abandoned it. They're not even making their own apps available for it in some cases, and when they do, WinPhone is their lowest priority.
The truth is that developers don't want to support a bunch of different OSs, which is why there are only 2 commercially-successful OSs for the desktop: Windows and MacOS. Several companies have tried to break into the desktop OS business, but without wide developer support, they have no chance.
That's what's happened in mobile as well (as lots of people predicted). Developers chose the 2 platforms that gave them the best support and the greatest return, and all the others have been abandoned to die. Without third-party app developers, you can't have a successful platform, which is one of the main reason that BB10 was a NET LOSS of around $9-10 Billion for BB. Imagine having $9B in your bank account, and in 5 years, you were broke - all that money evaporated. That's what BB10 brought BB. Every phone was sold at a loss, because the development and other costs (beyond the cost of the hardware itself) were more than the gross profits on the devices - a LOT more. BB essentially subsidized the price of every BB10 phone - but BB isn't a charity, and their money wasn't infinite. At some point, the hemorrhaging had to end, and it has. No one at BB has any desire to go back to that poisoned well and start drinking again.
The quality and goodness of the OS are absolutely irrelevant - as a commercial product, BB10 was an enormous, colossal failure, and its prospects have only gotten much, much worse today as iOS and Android have consolidated their grip on the market and squeezed everyone else out.06-01-17 03:54 PMLike 3 -
Yes they have a plenty growth business but those have no effect for us,we use mobile, we are in tree called blackberry devices not security products selling,other actions isn't important for us
Do they go to virtual reality?, or augmented reality?growth business?
If they want use blackberry name must make device, or not use rim better , why you think they has no more interest in devices? You said they sell License, it shows they have interest in mobile market
Maybe for now true, they have no plan but
not forever they must be stupid if they leave it for ever
Again if you want accept or not
Finally they must back to market with all power
We will see bbos device in future
Posted via CB1106-01-17 04:07 PMLike 0 - Where are all of the other OSs that everyone was sure would be successful?
- Tizen? Only available in a couple of countries and only on entry-level "burner" phones. No apps, no support.
- WebOS? LG put it in TVs, but no one is putting it in phones. I doubt it will last in TVs either.
- Ubuntu Phone? They abandoned the project - they realized that no one actually wanted what they were offering.
- Sailfish? Jolla has made many announcements, but after 4+ years, there's been no actual traction, and there are only around 400 apps, which is beyond pathetic. There is no system for paid apps, and so developers don't care.
- WinPhone? MS has effectively abandoned it. They're not even making their own apps available for it in some cases, and when they do, WinPhone is their lowest priority.
The truth is that developers don't want to support a bunch of different OSs, which is why there are only 2 commercially-successful OSs for the desktop: Windows and MacOS. Several companies have tried to break into the desktop OS business, but without wide developer support, they have no chance.
That's what's happened in mobile as well (as lots of people predicted). Developers chose the 2 platforms that gave them the best support and the greatest return, and all the others have been abandoned to die. Without third-party app developers, you can't have a successful platform, which is one of the main reason that BB10 was a NET LOSS of around $9-10 Billion for BB. Imagine having $9B in your bank account, and in 5 years, you were broke - all that money evaporated. That's what BB10 brought BB. Every phone was sold at a loss, because the development and other costs (beyond the cost of the hardware itself) were more than the gross profits on the devices - a LOT more. BB essentially subsidized the price of every BB10 phone - but BB isn't a charity, and their money wasn't infinite. At some point, the hemorrhaging had to end, and it has. No one at BB has any desire to go back to that poisoned well and start drinking again.
The quality and goodness of the OS are absolutely irrelevant - as a commercial product, BB10 was an enormous, colossal failure, and its prospects have only gotten much, much worse today as iOS and Android have consolidated their grip on the market and squeezed everyone else out.
Qnx never be failure
Then they would accept new os ok,!!
Tizen will grow you can sit and see,
Microsoft Windows Mobile never abandoned you can sit and see surface phone they just update their os to developer easily bring their apps from ios to Windows
Qnx must be a new os that developers can easily develop their apps,
Tizen have good core ,devloper in future can ports windows 10 universal apps without big change to tizen
If they continue providing qnx, it can be like tizen
All bb old fan have a dark idea about other os and future just think android and ios winner for ever and nobody can fight with them :/
Qnx must change its easy its unix base and its possible just need clever men clever ceo...
Posted via CB1106-01-17 04:17 PMLike 0 - The people who are developing tizen and Windows are clever and give teach from past
They never be failure
Tizen burn because Samsung Afraid from relying more to. Google
When Samsung afraid, all other companies that make android phone must afraid, bb must afraid and continue their os,
Your speaks are logical but you dont see future logical
You have a dark idea about all future of bb
Posted via CB1106-01-17 04:28 PMLike 0 -
No hardware root of trust, but this may be my BB10 alternative.
BB10 was a NET LOSS of around $9-10 Billion for BB.hamed ghorbani likes this.06-01-17 04:44 PMLike 1 - Sailfish OS running on a Sony Xperia Device... | Jolla Users Blog
Hands On: Jolla's Sailfish OS on a Sony Xperia X | News & Opinion | PCMag.com
No hardware root of trust, but this may be my BB10 alternative.
Would you be so kind as to provide some links for this? Would like to read about it.
It continue developing by some third party groups I forget their names but they work better than conical
They make ubuntu very better than before
Posted via CB1106-01-17 04:53 PMLike 0 - Hands On: Jolla's Sailfish OS on a Sony Xperia X | News & Opinion | PCMag.com
No hardware root of trust, but this may be my BB10 alternative.
You can do that on the Oneplus X as well. Just thought you may be interested.06-01-17 05:16 PMLike 0 - Hands On: Jolla's Sailfish OS on a Sony Xperia X | News & Opinion | PCMag.com
No hardware root of trust, but this may be my BB10 alternative.
And I wouldn't count on Sony to support this for long. It won't really make them money, and right now it is costing them money to support Jolla, who hasn't made a cent.
Would you be so kind as to provide some links for this? Would like to read about it.06-01-17 07:52 PMLike 0 - Guys, do you really want to keep debating, against this logic?
On the contrary, I think I can speak for all those you've replied to, that they are very positive about the future of BlackBerry, and were dark on it a few short years ago.06-01-17 08:24 PMLike 0 - http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...eee7c76b60c726
Bad idea. As both shareholder and love of Bb (both hardware and software) no! Hell, NO!
Posted via CB1006-02-17 11:21 AMLike 0 - Presumably, most of it is from the AOSP and what IP they added is unlikely to be in the OS they are licensing to their partners, but it would cost some to do it.
But it can't be done anyway. System files on BB10 MUST be signed by BlackBerry.Last edited by DonHB; 06-02-17 at 12:02 PM.
app_Developer likes this.06-02-17 11:43 AMLike 1 - Depending on your philosophy.
Lazaridis cared deeply about the privacy of the user, maybe above company success. Money, obviously wasn't everything for him (and some of us) or else he wouldn't have donated hundreds of millions of dollars to the progress of Canadian theoretical physics research.
Or the shareholders who saw billions of dollars in value evaporate.
Or the fans who want a BB operating system which is no longer viable.anon(9803228) likes this.06-02-17 11:52 AMLike 1 - 06-02-17 11:57 AMLike 2
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