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  1. Kamika007z's Avatar
    It was also created to compress data which isn't necessary anymore.
    ^ This.

    It was designed to encrypt and compress data at an astonishing rate.

    People would travel with only a 100MB plan for several weeks and just barely a quarter of it due to the incredible compression ratio it provided.

    Though, it got slack from people on how slow it was when performing tasks such as browsing sites. They had to re-architecture it's compression methodologies by pretty much removing it to compete with the iPhone of the world.
    07-08-19 07:30 PM
  2. app_Developer's Avatar
    ^ This.

    It was designed to encrypt and compress data at an astonishing rate.

    People would travel with only a 100MB plan for several weeks and just barely a quarter of it due to the incredible compression ratio it provided.

    Though, it got slack from people on how slow it was when performing tasks such as browsing sites. They had to re-architecture it's compression methodologies by pretty much removing it to compete with the iPhone of the world.
    Those compression ratios were from a long time ago when most of the data coming to and from phones was plaintext.

    Now most traffic is https and most content is pictures and videos. Even most email is TLS now. Further, web servers and CDN’s already compress what they can. So on the fly compression is totally useless with modern traffic.

    Edit: sorry, I meant to say “on the fly compression”, not encryption. Both are useless things for a phone company to add on top of everything we do on the web already
    Last edited by app_Developer; 07-08-19 at 09:57 PM.
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    07-08-19 09:01 PM
  3. joeldf's Avatar
    And, BIS was never actually encrypted. That's long been established. Compressed, but not encrypted.

    BES did encryption.
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    07-08-19 09:38 PM
  4. thurask's Avatar
    And, BIS was never actually encrypted. That's long been established. Compressed, but not encrypted.

    BES did encryption.
    Exactly, if it was encrypted then stuff like this would be harder.
    07-09-19 08:39 AM
  5. SteinwayTransitCorp's Avatar
    8000 a month, you are a little low. Probably more in the 125 to 150k. Hey maybe an online petition.............................LOL
    07-09-19 08:41 AM
  6. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    And, BIS was never actually encrypted. That's long been established. Compressed, but not encrypted.

    BES did encryption.
    It was a little more but BES along with BESX was a great feature for small business... in the days of 2G anyway.
    07-09-19 09:10 AM
  7. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    8000 a month, you are a little low. Probably more in the 125 to 150k. Hey maybe an online petition.............................LOL
    That was $8,000 a month per user with at least 10,000 users.... that would be enough.

    Realistically I doubt you could get 10,000 people to pay $10 a month...
    07-09-19 09:32 AM
  8. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    That was $8,000 a month per user with at least 10,000 users.... that would be enough.

    Realistically I doubt you could get 10,000 people to pay $10 a month...
    BBMe will be a litmus test for BB10 payment support.
    07-09-19 09:34 AM
  9. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    BBMe will be a litmus test for BB10 payment support.
    So when does the free year start?
    07-09-19 09:56 AM
  10. Emaderton3's Avatar
    So when does the free year start?
    Yeah exactly. Let's not be fooled that the massive increase will lead to sales just because the free version ended.
    07-09-19 07:21 PM
  11. Shadowbolt's Avatar
    Those compression ratios were from a long time ago when most of the data coming to and from phones was plaintext.

    Now most traffic is https and most content is pictures and videos. Even most email is TLS now. Further, web servers and CDN’s already compress what they can. So on the fly compression is totally useless with modern traffic.

    Edit: sorry, I meant to say “on the fly compression”, not encryption. Both are useless things for a phone company to add on top of everything we do on the web already
    Well now I feel like a right idiot for suggesting BIS development. I suppose if they did continue, they'd have to rework the system from the very core to allow encryption... oh well.

    Now that you mention it, BIS compressed data like THAT? Honestly never knew - then again, with the tiny amount of storage available on classic BlackBerry devices, and the data plans available (and their prices) at the time, I suppose it made sense for the 2000s.
    Not anymore, though, obviously. As many others also said, BIS was never encrypted... that I didn't know either. Just goes to show how oblivious I am to the whole thing.
    Ignore me, I don't know anything-
    07-10-19 12:05 PM
  12. joeldf's Avatar
    No worries. Even back in 2012, when the news came out that BB10 would not use BIS, there were many on these forums who bemoaned the loss, and the assumption that it was encrypted came up a lot.
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    07-10-19 12:39 PM
  13. Shadowbolt's Avatar
    No worries. Even back in 2012, when the news came out that BB10 would not use BIS, there were many on these forums who bemoaned the loss, and the assumption that it was encrypted came up a lot.
    In the 2000s, I wouldn't have really expected BlackBerry to encrypt the data between phones and the BIS servers. Not sure why people moaned about it, because ANYTHING is better than BlackBerry Internet Service on phones that don't require extreme compression ratios (classic BlackBerry devices). It's only necessary on classic BlackBerrys because they made it so, I guess.

    That's one of the main things that made me switch to a Classic - no more BIS! Not only is it expensive here (£6 monthly to O2) but yeah, those compression ratios and the encryption... no thanks. Not if I don't have to.
    07-10-19 12:44 PM
  14. app_Developer's Avatar
    Well now I feel like a right idiot for suggesting BIS development. I suppose if they did continue, they'd have to rework the system from the very core to allow encryption... oh well.
    Not an idiot; this just happens to be the world I've lived in for most of my career.

    To be clear, I'm saying they should not worry about encryption at that level in a new "BIS".

    In fact, I don't see any reason for a new BIS at all. The circumstances for which it was created doesn't exist anymore.
    07-10-19 02:00 PM
  15. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    In fact, I don't see any reason for a new BIS at all. The circumstances for which it was created doesn't exist anymore.
    Saving me 25KB on my next email isn't going to do much for me when I'm streaming 2GB Videos.

    I expect even in markets where data might still be a premium... BIS wouldn't accomplish very much. Do those people do a lot of emailing and sending of Office Documents?

    Most are using a modern Messenger to communicate... that has compression factored in along with encryption so BIS compression wouldn't be a factor.
    07-10-19 02:41 PM
  16. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    No worries. Even back in 2012, when the news came out that BB10 would not use BIS, there were many on these forums who bemoaned the loss, and the assumption that it was encrypted came up a lot.
    I admit to being that guy as late as 2015 when thurask or conite, maybe even you, stopped laughing at me long enough to explain.
    07-10-19 03:28 PM
  17. app_Developer's Avatar
    Saving me 25KB on my next email isn't going to do much for me when I'm streaming 2GB Videos.

    I expect even in markets where data might still be a premium... BIS wouldn't accomplish very much. Do those people do a lot of emailing and sending of Office Documents?

    Most are using a modern Messenger to communicate... that has compression factored in along with encryption so BIS compression wouldn't be a factor.
    If your email service is using TLS (who isn’t today??) then you won’t even save that 25kb either.
    07-10-19 04:47 PM
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