- ^ This.
It was designed to encrypt and compress data at an astonishing rate.
People would travel with only a 100MB plan for several weeks and just barely a quarter of it due to the incredible compression ratio it provided.
Though, it got slack from people on how slow it was when performing tasks such as browsing sites. They had to re-architecture it's compression methodologies by pretty much removing it to compete with the iPhone of the world.07-08-19 07:30 PMLike 0 - ^ This.
It was designed to encrypt and compress data at an astonishing rate.
People would travel with only a 100MB plan for several weeks and just barely a quarter of it due to the incredible compression ratio it provided.
Though, it got slack from people on how slow it was when performing tasks such as browsing sites. They had to re-architecture it's compression methodologies by pretty much removing it to compete with the iPhone of the world.
Now most traffic is https and most content is pictures and videos. Even most email is TLS now. Further, web servers and CDN’s already compress what they can. So on the fly compression is totally useless with modern traffic.
Edit: sorry, I meant to say “on the fly compression”, not encryption. Both are useless things for a phone company to add on top of everything we do on the web alreadyLast edited by app_Developer; 07-08-19 at 09:57 PM.
eshropshire likes this.07-08-19 09:01 PMLike 1 -
- 8000 a month, you are a little low. Probably more in the 125 to 150k. Hey maybe an online petition.............................LOL07-09-19 08:41 AMLike 0
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Realistically I doubt you could get 10,000 people to pay $10 a month...07-09-19 09:32 AMLike 0 -
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- Those compression ratios were from a long time ago when most of the data coming to and from phones was plaintext.
Now most traffic is https and most content is pictures and videos. Even most email is TLS now. Further, web servers and CDN’s already compress what they can. So on the fly compression is totally useless with modern traffic.
Edit: sorry, I meant to say “on the fly compression”, not encryption. Both are useless things for a phone company to add on top of everything we do on the web already
Now that you mention it, BIS compressed data like THAT? Honestly never knew - then again, with the tiny amount of storage available on classic BlackBerry devices, and the data plans available (and their prices) at the time, I suppose it made sense for the 2000s.
Not anymore, though, obviously. As many others also said, BIS was never encrypted... that I didn't know either. Just goes to show how oblivious I am to the whole thing.
Ignore me, I don't know anything-07-10-19 12:05 PMLike 0 - No worries. Even back in 2012, when the news came out that BB10 would not use BIS, there were many on these forums who bemoaned the loss, and the assumption that it was encrypted came up a lot.Dunt Dunt Dunt likes this.07-10-19 12:39 PMLike 1
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That's one of the main things that made me switch to a Classic - no more BIS! Not only is it expensive here (£6 monthly to O2) but yeah, those compression ratios and the encryption... no thanks. Not if I don't have to.07-10-19 12:44 PMLike 0 -
To be clear, I'm saying they should not worry about encryption at that level in a new "BIS".
In fact, I don't see any reason for a new BIS at all. The circumstances for which it was created doesn't exist anymore.07-10-19 02:00 PMLike 0 -
I expect even in markets where data might still be a premium... BIS wouldn't accomplish very much. Do those people do a lot of emailing and sending of Office Documents?
Most are using a modern Messenger to communicate... that has compression factored in along with encryption so BIS compression wouldn't be a factor.07-10-19 02:41 PMLike 0 - I admit to being that guy as late as 2015 when thurask or conite, maybe even you, stopped laughing at me long enough to explain.07-10-19 03:28 PMLike 0
- Saving me 25KB on my next email isn't going to do much for me when I'm streaming 2GB Videos.
I expect even in markets where data might still be a premium... BIS wouldn't accomplish very much. Do those people do a lot of emailing and sending of Office Documents?
Most are using a modern Messenger to communicate... that has compression factored in along with encryption so BIS compression wouldn't be a factor.07-10-19 04:47 PMLike 0 - I have an idea, it might be a good one or it might be a bad one. But here it is.
What if, we the BB10 users, bring back the full or partially support for BlackBerry as we used to know by paying a fee or a subscription and that money goes to bringing back to life the blackberry services like in the old days ( like when the bb10 was launched). Let's try and offer a big support for the Canadian company to re-enable the full BB10 with updates, services and all that this platform should offer as it was intended to.
I'm in for 5 or 10 USD per month (or EUR). There are a lot of bb users who will embrace this idea and if only 40% out of that, let's say 1 mil users, will pay a subscription, theat will generate 40mil USD per month to keep the bb heart pumping for a long time to come. Who's with me. If this works we might see new BB10 devices.
Let get the crackberry support for this.
This should be a pride and joy for all blackberry users out there.
Posted via CB10bb9900user2018 likes this.10-03-19 12:37 PMLike 1 - To be honest, it isn't a bad idea. It just needs a LOT of money and support, not to mention it has to be executed in the right way.
I'd like to see BlackBerry return to supporting and developing BIS, and with the right resources, that could happen.
It'd just take a LOT of resources.
Sent from my BlackBerry 9780 using CrackBerry
For people like myself there would be no going back (I'm on a Key2 now).
The APPS that I need are not going to be solved by this sort of thing - highly unlikely that the banks are going to support another platform; Facebook, etc., are not going to; Google isn't going to - that right there drops out the major apps that I NEED (Facebook not so much).
SO, I would not be signing up.
Not to mention that the current BB10 hardware MIGHT BE INADEQUATE to run an updated version of the OS.10-03-19 04:25 PMLike 0 - Yeah $50/year or thereabouts for consumer access to BBworld where all the security upate links would be hosted or any kind of OS improvement that might happen by would be awesome.
Wouldn't it be awesome to have the native browser selectively decide whether to load an image or video on user command , rather than automatically - like all old browsers used to do in the golden era before Google (page, site or session)? Wow that would rocket that browsers speed when the images aren't needed......alt-texting advertisers images for the blind should be sufficient for the advertisers. They were supposed to do that anyways.10-03-19 04:52 PMLike 0 - People keep bringing this up ut with no explanation of who would take on the task of offering support. As already stated, BlackBerry Limited is out of the mobile business. BBL no longer has the resources or plans to get back in mobile. They have stated a willingness to license BB10. If those on this forum see this as a good business opportunity they should go for it and build a business around supporting BB10.10-03-19 05:02 PMLike 0
- Well, what would it accomplish?
For people like myself there would be no going back (I'm on a Key2 now).
The APPS that I need are not going to be solved by this sort of thing - highly unlikely that the banks are going to support another platform; Facebook, etc., are not going to; Google isn't going to - that right there drops out the major apps that I NEED (Facebook not so much).
SO, I would not be signing up.
Not to mention that the current BB10 hardware MIGHT BE INADEQUATE to run an updated version of the OS.
Why wouldn't developers support another platform? They did until BlackBerry imploded on itself and devs didn't want to support a dying architecture. There is a huge need for a third competitor in the smartphone market. I don't like Apple, and I'm beginning more and more to not like Google and their left wing practices (I am not a Trump supporter btw, but what they're doing right now is worse than what the Dems accused Russia of doing last election). What are my other options? I've always loved pre-Android BlackBerry devices. They were rock solid and almost indestructible. Why can't we go back to that? If there was enough interest, and BlackBerry noticed that there was enough interest, I think it would be a possibility. Instead of being negative, try to look at the positive. There are a ton of us that love our old BlackBerrys and BB10. If there's a chance that BB10 could be re-invigorated now that BlackBerry has bounced back, I'd love for it to happen. They're developing operating systems for cars, how hard would it be to bring BB10 back to life, or come out with a whole new BB11? I don't think that's far fetched.10-04-19 05:36 AMLike 0 - "Why wouldn't developers support another platform?"
COST.
There was a post quite a while ago from an application developer who said that his organization started out with one team for app development / support.
They quickly found that it was better to have TWO teams - one for IOS and a separate one for Android.
I put to you that you're going to have to build a VERY SUBSTANTIAL user base in order to convince the major app developers to build out for a third platform. In order to build that substantial user base you're going to have to offer these same significant apps.
Does that sound like it may present a problem?
"how hard would it be to bring BB10 back to life" - that has been debated at great length. Remember that BB spent BILLIONS of dollars on the BB10 hardware / software. Even if you take the hardware out of the equation it's still going to be a LARGE amount of money to re-work BB10 to run on modern hardware.
I just don't see where the money is going to come from.
The "open source" idea is extremely unlikely because there's propriety security code that BB isn't likely going to place in the public domain.10-04-19 11:03 AMLike 0 - I'm not sure about the Key2, but I didn't like the Keyone at all. First of all, the first one I got was defective (The right hand most column of keys were dead). That wasn't a good start. It also felt awfully slow for a device with the specs that it had. I had an Android phone with lesser specs and only 2GB RAM. I loaded up all of the BlackBerry apps onto it and it was much faster. The Keyone frequently complained that it was low on resources for some reason. Another reason I would never go with another Android BlackBerry is because the quality is garbage compared to BB10 BlackBerry phones.
Why wouldn't developers support another platform? They did until BlackBerry imploded on itself and devs didn't want to support a dying architecture. There is a huge need for a third competitor in the smartphone market. I don't like Apple, and I'm beginning more and more to not like Google and their left wing practices (I am not a Trump supporter btw, but what they're doing right now is worse than what the Dems accused Russia of doing last election). What are my other options? I've always loved pre-Android BlackBerry devices. They were rock solid and almost indestructible. Why can't we go back to that? If there was enough interest, and BlackBerry noticed that there was enough interest, I think it would be a possibility. Instead of being negative, try to look at the positive. There are a ton of us that love our old BlackBerrys and BB10. If there's a chance that BB10 could be re-invigorated now that BlackBerry has bounced back, I'd love for it to happen. They're developing operating systems for cars, how hard would it be to bring BB10 back to life, or come out with a whole new BB11? I don't think that's far fetched.10-04-19 01:31 PMLike 0 - I'm not sure about the Key2, but I didn't like the Keyone at all. First of all, the first one I got was defective (The right hand most column of keys were dead). That wasn't a good start. It also felt awfully slow for a device with the specs that it had. I had an Android phone with lesser specs and only 2GB RAM. I loaded up all of the BlackBerry apps onto it and it was much faster. The Keyone frequently complained that it was low on resources for some reason. Another reason I would never go with another Android BlackBerry is because the quality is garbage compared to BB10 BlackBerry phones.
Why wouldn't developers support another platform? They did until BlackBerry imploded on itself and devs didn't want to support a dying architecture. There is a huge need for a third competitor in the smartphone market. I don't like Apple, and I'm beginning more and more to not like Google and their left wing practices (I am not a Trump supporter btw, but what they're doing right now is worse than what the Dems accused Russia of doing last election). What are my other options? I've always loved pre-Android BlackBerry devices. They were rock solid and almost indestructible. Why can't we go back to that? If there was enough interest, and BlackBerry noticed that there was enough interest, I think it would be a possibility. Instead of being negative, try to look at the positive. There are a ton of us that love our old BlackBerrys and BB10. If there's a chance that BB10 could be re-invigorated now that BlackBerry has bounced back, I'd love for it to happen. They're developing operating systems for cars, how hard would it be to bring BB10 back to life, or come out with a whole new BB11? I don't think that's far fetched.
What would it take to get me interested in supporting another mobile platform? The platform would have to get at least 10% of the high end phone business. I don't care how many sub $200 phones they sell. Adding a new platform is expensive. Very few if any major developers are going to support a platform until them have achieved a large enough customer base to be profitable for developers. The same old chicken and the egg problem. General mainstream users are not going to start using a platform that is not supported by developers.10-04-19 05:07 PMLike 0
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