With KRACK We'll Find Ou if BB10 is OFFICIALLY End-of-life
- It seems BlackBerry isn't the only company keeping mum on whether it will update KRACK for older devices. I have a ticket logged with Apple engineering, who have promised me a response one way or the other on a KRACK patch for iOS 9.3.5 (iPad 3). The engineer who is my point of contact says he is still awaiting a response from the engineering lead and that he expects to get one.
I imagine the answer will be, "No." But a verbal no would be a lot better than BB's silent no.
Posted with my trusty Z1011-03-17 08:45 AMLike 0 - It seems BlackBerry isn't the only company keeping mum on whether it will update KRACK for older devices. I have a ticket logged with Apple engineering, who have promised me a response one way or the other on a KRACK patch for iOS 9.3.5 (iPad 3). The engineer who is my point of contact says he is still awaiting a response from the engineering lead and that he expects to get one.
I imagine the answer will be, "No." But a verbal no would be a lot better than BB's silent no.
Posted with my trusty Z1011-03-17 09:10 AMLike 0 - $299 for a new ipad 4 mini 128Gb which is the newest they have. In the world of tablets that is pretty great value IMO. 2-3 years from now if will stop getting updates and im sure i would have gotten my moneys worth. Hell I actually have had it a year already and its paid for its $300 already
I managed to buy an iPad 4 mini 128GB recently for about the same in British pounds (£300), it was a refurb though. It is a beautiful device, although an Android with similar specs would cost less. An iPhone with equivalent storage (128GB) would cost a lot more than a bigger iPad though.
Side note: I don't see a lot of very significant architectural difference between iOS 11 and 10, or even earlier versions for that matter. I'd think something like the Wifi handshake protocol implementation is a technical detail that doesn't change much between OS versions?Last edited by CaptainSuperb; 11-03-17 at 10:29 AM.
11-03-17 10:13 AMLike 0 - $100 a year for a device I use once every other week is too much for me. Even if Apple supports it for five years, which is their track record, it's too expensive for my needs. I'm not cheap. My high-end laptop costs $4,500, because I use it constantly to make a living, but a tablet for me is an occasional use video appliance.
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For your use sure its not as good, i expected alot more use than you seem to indicate. For you an cheap FIRE HD is probably great and like $5011-03-17 10:38 AMLike 0 - I just realized 2 of our TVs at home are on WiFi and need to be. I don't know if they are vulnerable. I'm not worried about KRACK, because the more I hear about it the more I realize it's not a serious real world vulnerability to me. The amount of data that could potentially be harvested from my TV using KRACK is so ridiculously useless that if someone actually KRACK'd our TV, I'd probably just go outside and shake their hand and give them a coffee.
But it does raise an important question about lifecycles of those things. I don't personally use phones for more than a year, and I get a new iPad every other year on average.
TVs are different, though. I don't replace TV's for years. Our blu-ray player is on WiFi also. I don't get one of those every year. Our music server is on WiFi (that one is patched already though). So what does this mean for things like that?11-03-17 10:46 AMLike 4 - Yeah, wi-fi has become so ubiquitous that a lot of things you don't initially think of use it. My older son's 3DS and Wii-U, my younger son's DSi, and Wii (hand-me-downs from the older son). The DirecTV needs the wi-fi to do on-demand stuff, two Blu-ray players, Amazon FireTV stick, along with 4 phones, an iPad, a first gen Kindle Fire (still works), 3 computers (there's a fourth, but it's direct ethernet connected to my router), and one school provided MacBook.
Theoretically, would every one of these devices need fixing?11-03-17 11:27 AMLike 0 - It seems BlackBerry isn't the only company keeping mum on whether it will update KRACK for older devices. I have a ticket logged with Apple engineering, who have promised me a response one way or the other on a KRACK patch for iOS 9.3.5 (iPad 3). The engineer who is my point of contact says he is still awaiting a response from the engineering lead and that he expects to get one.
I imagine the answer will be, "No." But a verbal no would be a lot better than BB's silent no.
Posted with my trusty Z1011-03-17 11:30 AMLike 0 - I guess that is the thing, most people use devices far more than 1 time every 2 weeks. I use it probably avg 30-40 hours of week use on it between video, web surfing and work stuff.
For your use sure its not as good, i expected alot more use than you seem to indicate. For you an cheap FIRE HD is probably great and like $50
Posted with my trusty Z1011-03-17 01:50 PMLike 0 - I just realized 2 of our TVs at home are on WiFi and need to be. I don't know if they are vulnerable. I'm not worried about KRACK, because the more I hear about it the more I realize it's not a serious real world vulnerability to me. The amount of data that could potentially be harvested from my TV using KRACK is so ridiculously useless that if someone actually KRACK'd our TV, I'd probably just go outside and shake their hand and give them a coffee.
But it does raise an important question about lifecycles of those things. I don't personally use phones for more than a year, and I get a new iPad every other year on average.
TVs are different, though. I don't replace TV's for years. Our blu-ray player is on WiFi also. I don't get one of those every year. Our music server is on WiFi (that one is patched already though). So what does this mean for things like that?
This is something that either industry is going to have to take care of, or governments will do it for them through regulation.
Posted with my trusty Z10DreadPirateRegan likes this.11-03-17 01:54 PMLike 1 - This is the reply I received from BlackBerry Help one day ago, when inquiring about the KRACK vulnerability of BB10 :
BlackBerry® is aware that on October 16, 2017, details were reported about an industry-wide vulnerability in the WPA and WPA2 protocols, as used in Wi-Fi®, which has been identified as "KRACK" and comprises 10 separate CVEs. BlackBerry is diligently working to investigate the impact of the vulnerability on BlackBerry and BlackBerry QNX products, resolve the issue as quickly as possible, and communicate the findings and resolution to our customers. Thanksanon(8063781) and Invictus0 like this.11-04-17 12:06 PMLike 2 - This is the reply I received from BlackBerry Help one day ago, when inquiring about the KRACK vulnerability of BB10 :
BlackBerry® is aware that on October 16, 2017, details were reported about an industry-wide vulnerability in the WPA and WPA2 protocols, as used in Wi-Fi®, which has been identified as "KRACK" and comprises 10 separate CVEs. BlackBerry is diligently working to investigate the impact of the vulnerability on BlackBerry and BlackBerry QNX products, resolve the issue as quickly as possible, and communicate the findings and resolution to our customers. Thanks
I really hope there is an emergency patch, because I have 3 devices that I still love to use that I'd like to use with secure WiFi only.
Posted with my trusty Z1011-04-17 12:14 PMLike 0 - This is the reply I received from BlackBerry Help one day ago, when inquiring about the KRACK vulnerability of BB10 :
BlackBerry is aware that on October 16, 2017, details were reported about an industry-wide vulnerability in the WPA and WPA2 protocols, as used in Wi-Fi, which has been identified as "KRACK" and comprises 10 separate CVEs. BlackBerry is diligently working to investigate the impact of the vulnerability on BlackBerry and BlackBerry QNX products, resolve the issue as quickly as possible, and communicate the findings and resolution to our customers. Thanks11-04-17 01:20 PMLike 0 -
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If fixing a comprehensive vulnerability that breaks secure WiFi doesn't meet the requirements for any minimal level of security support, then it's hard to imagine that BlackBerry would ever do anything more for BB10 under any circumstances.
Posted with my trusty Z10StephanieMaks likes this.11-04-17 01:40 PMLike 1 -
I am curious why it's taking so long for QNX though, isn't that their most widely used product (by installs)?11-04-17 02:30 PMLike 0 -
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Posted with my trusty Z10Troy Tiscareno likes this.11-04-17 02:57 PMLike 1 - If we're speculating, they could be in negotiations with one or more key customers to pay for the patch development. It would only take a single defense or clandestine agency that is a committed user to make this a viable scenario. I always wondered who it was that demanded (and likely paid for) 10.3.3 with its NAIP certification!
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I know world wide I have one BB10 corporate customer left and this one is in Europe (they are now far into their mobile migration plan). We told them last year we were longer supporting BB10 (after we met with BlackBerry). This was before BlackBerry made their public announcement about getting out of hardware.11-04-17 09:03 PMLike 0 - I am pretty sure BlackBerry had contracted with an NAIP certification company back in 2015 assuming it would not take 18 months to certify BB10. By the end I doubt they needed the certification, but continued the process because they had already paid for the testing.
I know world wide I have one BB10 corporate customer left and this one is in Europe (they are now far into their mobile migration plan). We told them last year we were longer supporting BB10 (after we met with BlackBerry). This was before BlackBerry made their public announcement about getting out of hardware.
Wishful thinking? Definitely. But not totally absurd.
Posted with my trusty Z10DreadPirateRegan likes this.11-04-17 09:18 PMLike 1 - QNX is mostly in car infotainment systems and they are seldom connected to wifi. Most of the time they come with a SIM card and connects to LTE11-05-17 05:46 PMLike 0
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LeapSTR100-2/10.3.3.220511-06-17 07:14 AMLike 0 - But that doesn't mean that car systems don't offer WiFi hotspots implemented with QNX which would be vulnerable to KRACK exploits and would need to be patched.11-06-17 08:08 AMLike 0
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The patches can only address the issues actually described in these CVEs, which are not relevant to hotspots.11-06-17 10:10 AMLike 0 -
Posted with my trusty Z1011-06-17 11:59 AMLike 0 - Supplicant is a position in the protocol, not necessarily a description of a piece of hardware. Most devices which we normally associate with the client function can also provide the server function, and most that provide the server function can also be supplicants. Even if that is not a documented function the code is probably in the stack. All Wi-Fi capable systems and devices will have to be patched or the users will have to accept the possibility of furniture vulnerabilities when people find out how to exploit unpatched supplicant code in servers.
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