- He himself said that it is dead. They've let the bb10 developers go.
The only possible life I could see is if it is made open source.
Not sure what BlackBerry would have to gain from that though.
I don't use many apps, but even I must carry my iPhone around for simple apps like tunein radio.
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He didn't say that it is dead.
Posted via CB1005-29-16 04:12 PMLike 0 - https://www.google.com/url?q=http://...SN2rcqIm4OgYkA
Google is your friend. Bb10 is dead
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If you listen the interview linked at the start of this thread you will hear John Chen saying BlackBerry 10 is not dead ad maybe after 10.3.4 there will be a new BlackBerry 10 device.
Also, security related, they are focusing more on BlackBerry 10 and not Android with the NIAP certification.
Posted via CB1005-29-16 04:20 PMLike 0 - But not too early to say that there has been no significant development of BB10 for about a year now, with only security updates for BlackBerry's business and enterprise customers. As long as Chen can convince those customers that he has secured Android to an equivalent level, there won't be any reason for him to consider another BB10 device.
Posted via CB10gugomat likes this.05-29-16 04:24 PMLike 1 -
Seriously, guys, where did you take all that info? And why for God's sake you point that there is no need to update the software? Are you using an iOS, that taught you not to update because every new OS update kills your old iPhone, making you buy the newer device?
As for me, an old BlackBerry user, I'm pretty sure I'll update right at the time it'll be possible.
Posted via CB10anon(9742832) likes this.05-29-16 04:29 PMLike 1 - Sofa experts are always correct in their predictions. *Sarcastically.
Seriously, guys, where did you take all that info? And why for God's sake you point that there is no need to update the software? Are you using an iOS, that taught you not to update because every new OS update kills your old iPhone, making you buy the newer device?
As for me, an old BlackBerry user, I'm pretty sure I'll update right at the time it'll be possible.
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Posted via CB10anon(9742832) and gugomat like this.05-29-16 04:33 PMLike 2 -
- Damn, not only did Chen kill BB10 (when BlackBerry scared away the few developers they had), but it looks like Windows Phone is all but dead. They failed miserably with Windows 10 Phone, and they laid off over 1,800 people with their Nokia team. We have no other place to go except to stay with barely supported phones that has our favorite OS, or to go Apple/Android.
I do think it would be nice if BlackBerry picked up Nokia's hardware divsion. They seemed to make some neat hardware for a good price. But what's the point. If they want to go up against Samsung, LG, HTC, Motorola, Huawei, ZTE they better get in line.
Posted via CB1005-29-16 05:31 PMLike 0 -
- Damn, not only did Chen kill BB10 (when BlackBerry scared away the few developers they had), but it looks like Windows Phone is all but dead. They failed miserably with Windows 10 Phone, and they laid off over 1,800 people with their Nokia team.
I do think it would be nice if BlackBerry picked up Nokia's hardware divsion. They seemed to make some neat hardware for a good price. But what's the point. If they want to go up against Samsung, LG, HTC, Motorola, Huawei, ZTE they better get in line.
Posted via CB1005-29-16 05:35 PMLike 3 -
I consider this a failure of their staff to execute.
Posted via CB10elfabio80 likes this.05-29-16 05:42 PMLike 1 - https://www.google.com/url?q=http://...SN2rcqIm4OgYkA
Google is your friend. Bb10 is dead
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Posted via CB1005-29-16 06:33 PMLike 0 - BlackBerry would never say BB10 is dead. They haven't said BBOS is dead either. So that, in and of itself, means very little for either argument.
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05-29-16 06:38 PMLike 4 -
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- The main point I was trying to make was more on the bigger picture, aka 'who knows?'.Mobile isn't a neutral platform, so personally I think JC is executing a tactically smart play by keeping BB10 in maintenance mode while expanding to Android. BB10 is sunken cost after all, and he had to do it for the IoT initiative that they started with the Radar.
And the antitrust case has everything to do with the future of Android on BB10, or it could have. Read bullet 2 in the below article for reference.
EU Hits Google With Its Antitrust Stick - Fortune
I'm writing this on a Priv, so that should tell you something about where I think the wind is blowing.
Posted via the CrackBerry App for AndroidThe core of the case revolves around two complaints: 1) That Google requires manufacturers to pre-install Google Search and Google�s Chrome browser and make them the default, and also gives them financial incentives to make those services exclusive, and 2) That it prevents manufacturers from selling smartphones that run non-Google versions of Android, or penalizes them for doing so.
BB10 if it survives will be in a SecuSmart type device that costs over 2K Chen can sell to Angela Merkel.05-29-16 09:46 PMLike 0 - Let's wait and see what the NIAP certification will change for BB10.
A lots of customers still use legacy BBOS and they may upgrade to BB10 within 2016, which could be a game changer.
I believe these customers have been very valuable for BlackBerry, because legacy BBOS requires extra payments for the NOC service and they probably stay for BB10 (because otherwise they would have moved already to the competition by now, I guess).
The majority of these customers probably don't care about WhatsApp, Facebook etc etc..., but if a significant number of customers is concerned about the outdated ART of BB10, well, who knows.
Remember they had to fix the ART already end of last year because of stagefright:
http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...ntime-1031981/
While I don't know anything about the ART, I can easily imagine there could be a lots of similar issues, which need to be fixed.
In a nutshell, BB10 was a failure in the consumer market, because of the app gap, but that doesn't mean it will fail in the enterprise market.
Let's wait and see what happens after the NIAP certification.
I personally don't need android apps.
Bought an iPad and installed only 2 apps, which are not available for BB10, but that's about it.
No app gap for me, and I will enjoy BB10 for the next years, with ART or without ART.Last edited by Superdupont 2_0; 05-30-16 at 03:57 AM.
bbafdad likes this.05-30-16 03:10 AMLike 1 - BlackBerry could have provided an upgrade to all the BB10 users that were carrying a Q, Z, or Classic model without spending anything on drivers using Passport components. Had they did that last year and continued to refine their OS and the ART instead of going the Priv route it would have had a better outcome.
They would have sold more devices than they have with the Priv. It would also have shown the people buying as well the people developing for it that BlackBerry is committed to it. There would also be no restrictions from Google regarding upgrading the ART so we could possibly have Lollipop ART or even KitKat which would extend the app gap solution going forward as well.
Posted via CB10 on My BlackBerry Passport SE Running 10.3.2.2876bbafdad likes this.05-30-16 07:59 AMLike 1 - BlackBerry could have provided an upgrade to all the BB10 users that were carrying a Q, Z, or Classic model without spending anything on drivers using Passport components. Had they did that last year and continued to refine their OS and the ART instead of going the Priv route it would have had a better outcome.
They would have sold more devices than they have with the Priv. It would also have shown the people buying as well the people developing for it that BlackBerry is committed to it. There would also be no restrictions from Google regarding upgrading the ART so we could possibly have Lollipop ART or even KitKat which would extend the app gap solution going forward as well.
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Outside of the tiny BB10 install base, slightly updated hardware would not have turned the tables for BlackBerry's devices.05-30-16 08:12 AMLike 0 -
They have an active user base for both, but I would expect that they would discontinue support for BBOS first.
They did declare PlayBook dead, however, and if they really want to exit the handset business why shouldn't they say it for BBOS?
Or BB10?05-30-16 08:20 AMLike 0 -
PlayBook was declared EOL because they had nothing left to gain.05-30-16 08:28 AMLike 3 - For as long as they can collect a single dollar from BIS, or have a single BB10 device left in inventory to sell, they will not declare EOL for either. This should not be confused with whether or not either has a future.
PlayBook was declared EOL because they had nothing left to gain.
Again, I don't see why they shouldn't declare BBOS dead.
The most reasonable explanation to me is that they are simply waiting for their customer base (enterprise) to migrate from BBOS to BB10... and then they declare BBOS dead, but will try to continue BB10.
And in case of the PlayBook, there probably wasn't any significant customer base for enterprise, so they didn't hesitate to declare it EOL.05-30-16 08:40 AMLike 0 -
- I could not imagine a single enterprise that would be dumb enough to invest in BB10 right now. This statement does not speak to the quality of the product, but to the prospects of its future. Only the tiniest of tiny minority actually NEED something like it.05-30-16 08:59 AMLike 0
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