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  1. Bla1ze's Avatar
    Sorry bad habit, I really was just expressing my opinion. However, I still stand by that.

    BB10 needs a lot of help for some functionality in regards to CSS,JavaScript and JSON, at least when it comes to the stock browser.
    No disrepsect, but that's a lot of smart words that most people aren't going to even bother reading let alone acting on to keep their device going. Getting people to use an autoloader or even sideloading apps is tough enough, nevermind all that other stuff you mentioned lol.
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    08-09-18 03:05 PM
  2. twiggyrj's Avatar
    I can see where you are coming from, It's probably not the best choice but an available one. Cloud 9, Jupyter, and Evernote desktop use similar dependencies as that console and I liked their UI.

    The web browser on this OS has built in Protocols for things like calendar, contacts and settings. View adapts to cards such as PDF's Doc's Sheets's and better rendering than you might think. The Camera, contacts, music and videos app can open as a card also.

    Nested objects, template element, canvas , vast selection of scalable icons from base64 to svg.When I refer to HTML im really just talking about the elements that have replaced flash like what ive already listed as well as audio, and video. With contenteditable, and designmode that is all the components you could need if you ask me.

    Except Application storage, and backup.

    Posted via CB10
    Yeah but then we are running into the same issues with Electron. It’s heavy and bloated for what it does and isn’t as performant. You may have the web component but they will not be as smooth or as nice to use as a native component.
    08-09-18 03:20 PM
  3. Leyra B10's Avatar
    No disrepsect, but that's a lot of smart words that most people aren't going to even bother reading let alone acting on to keep their device going. Getting people to use an autoloader or even sideloading apps is tough enough, nevermind all that other stuff you mentioned lol.
    None taken, was worth putting out there.

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    08-09-18 03:52 PM
  4. Leyra B10's Avatar
    Yeah but then we are running into the same issues with Electron. It’s heavy and bloated for what it does and isn’t as performant. You may have the web component but they will not be as smooth or as nice to use as a native component.
    I really am not sure about that. I am inclined to agree with you but I just have no idea if that would be the case.
    A common gatewayway interface can utilize most of the invocation framework on the device, so native features are still available.

    Again same page with dependencies, this isn't 6000 files, more like a handful. Comes down to an exact science of inherited properties, and using inline css for critical elements.

    SVG scales as well as the fonts in reader mode. As base64 all the asset images can just be 1 css sheet. lol.

    For that smooth ux.. CSS transitions are working pretty well. At no point would I stress code readability in production. You are writing code for a machine to read not a person.

    I am not trying to argue a better experience just that one exists for the platform, and I wouldnt want to spend all my time on something that could only be applied to one platform.


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    08-09-18 04:05 PM
  5. ppeters914's Avatar
    .....and now more developer speak that I bet 90-percent or higher of us don't have a clue about....sigh....

    To the OP: there are multiple threads about why future development, maintenance, etc. of BB10 is not likely to happen.

    Enjoy your BB10 device while you can, and have a plan if it all quits working on January 1, 2020. Again, not likely, but.........

    AT&T /Z10 STL100-3 /10.3.3.3216
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    08-09-18 05:08 PM
  6. Leyra B10's Avatar
    .....and now more developer speak that I bet 90-percent or higher of us don't have a clue about....sigh....

    To the OP: there are multiple threads about why future development, maintenance, etc. of BB10 is not likely to happen.

    Enjoy your BB10 device while you can, and have a plan if it all quits working on January 1, 2020. Again, not likely, but.........

    AT&T /Z10 STL100-3 /10.3.3.3216
    Couldn't help it peters. When you know something could be done and see a post like this..

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    08-09-18 05:48 PM
  7. ppeters914's Avatar
    Couldn't help it peters. When you know something could be done and see a post like this..

    Posted via CB10
    No, I understand you wanting to respond. The problem is that no one but one or two other folks understand the actual solution/workaround you're describing.
    08-09-18 06:54 PM
  8. Leyra B10's Avatar
    No, I understand you wanting to respond. The problem is that no one but one or two other folks understand the actual solution/workaround you're describing.
    Basically a debugger/console for the browser to help identify and patch errors,missing features, and can be refactored over time (kept sharp).

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    08-09-18 07:34 PM
  9. eshropshire's Avatar
    Microsoft is strugling with their phones too. It's bleeding them dry, but they keep it for data collection needs.

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    Microsoft is not struggling to keep Windows phone alive. They have already killed it and announced the EOL date.
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    08-09-18 09:21 PM
  10. 1ilic's Avatar
    I really am not sure about that. I am inclined to agree with you but I just have no idea if that would be the case.
    A common gatewayway interface can utilize most of the invocation framework on the device, so native features are still available.

    Again same page with dependencies, this isn't 6000 files, more like a handful. Comes down to an exact science of inherited properties, and using inline css for critical elements.

    SVG scales as well as the fonts in reader mode. As base64 all the asset images can just be 1 css sheet. lol.

    For that smooth ux.. CSS transitions are working pretty well. At no point would I stress code readability in production. You are writing code for a machine to read not a person.

    I am not trying to argue a better experience just that one exists for the platform, and I wouldnt want to spend all my time on something that could only be applied to one platform.


    Posted via CB10
    So can there be a type of launcher app built that would replace BB10 missing featureas after the shutdow?

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    08-10-18 06:38 AM
  11. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    So can there be a type of launcher app built that would replace BB10 missing featureas after the shutdow?

    Posted via CB10
    There already was one... showed a lot of promise, but it was early in development and the developer gave up due to a lack of interest by the community. https://forums.crackberry.com/blackb...droid-1135020/


    PIE brings gestures to Android.... will be interesting to see if that trickles into the HUB Suite and Launcher.
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    08-10-18 08:34 AM
  12. Elephant_Canyon's Avatar
    So can there be a type of launcher app built that would replace BB10 missing featureas after the shutdow?
    There will be no way to replace or work around BBID authentication and Blackberry Protect. Be sure you turn off Protect before December 31st, 2019, and pray you don't ever have to reload your OS.
    08-10-18 08:45 AM
  13. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    There will be no way to replace or work around BBID authentication and Blackberry Protect. Be sure you turn off Protect before December 31st, 2019, and pray you don't ever have to reload your OS.
    Several can't get it to work right now... looking like BBID Authentication is down now. Proably just downsizing equipment and a temporary glitch.... but it could be a taste of whats to come.

    Personally I don't think they'll go that far, but money is money and there is a cost to keep the lights on.
    08-10-18 08:50 AM
  14. the_boon's Avatar
    Several can't get it to work right now... looking like BBID Authentication is down now. Proably just downsizing equipment and a temporary glitch.... but it could be a taste of whats to come.

    Personally I don't think they'll go that far, but money is money and there is a cost to keep the lights on.
    I've mentioned this in another thread, but wouldn't it be better for everyone if BB just released an update (call it 10.3.4 or whatever) that completely removes BB ID and BB protect?

    That way there can be no consequences down the line if they completely shut those servers down. Heck, maybe even currently bricked devices could boot up and function.
    08-10-18 08:54 AM
  15. 1ilic's Avatar
    There will be no way to replace or work around BBID authentication and Blackberry Protect. Be sure you turn off Protect before December 31st, 2019, and pray you don't ever have to reload your OS.
    But if BB Protect is so integrated in the OS that means that devices would be completely unusable after 2019? But I don't beleave that to be the case.

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    08-10-18 08:55 AM
  16. kvndoom's Avatar
    But if BB Protect is so integrated in the OS that means that devices would be completely unusable after 2019? But I don't beleave that to be the case.

    Posted via CB10
    No one will know for sure until 2020, unless Blackberry makes a clear statement describing what will and won't work. I suspect that some time next summer, as the final stretch nears, they will be more forthcoming and clarify this.
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    08-10-18 09:44 AM
  17. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    No one will know for sure until 2020, unless Blackberry makes a clear statement describing what will and won't work. I suspect that some time next summer, as the final stretch nears, they will be more forthcoming and clarify this.
    I agree, they'll let people know more as time draws closer... as I doubt they know for sure what they will do themselves.

    But I suspect reworking BB10 to clear out the dead stuff (Protect, BBID, BBW, Assistant, Maps, BB Network.... ) would be more costly than keeping an activation server up and running for another couple of years. The question is does BlackBerry want to support either option - or do they want to just be done.
    08-10-18 10:21 AM
  18. Legal Eagle's Avatar
    As long as Blend continues to function then my Passport will be my daily driver.
    08-10-18 11:20 AM
  19. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    I agree, they'll let people know more as time draws closer... as I doubt they know for sure what they will do themselves.

    But I suspect reworking BB10 to clear out the dead stuff (Protect, BBID, BBW, Assistant, Maps, BB Network.... ) would be more costly than keeping an activation server up and running for another couple of years. The question is does BlackBerry want to support either option - or do they want to just be done.
    For liability purposes, they’ll shutdown EOL date that way if users continue to use its at one’s known and own risk. Even being nice could and would expose BB to unknown risks and unforeseen consequences.
    08-10-18 11:47 AM
  20. 1ilic's Avatar
    I beleave if enough of us continue to use BB10, they would have no option to deny us of the basic features. Having in mind that brand new BB10 devices are still selling as old stocks arent depleated.

    As I see it this platform to be continialy functional, should get a good browsing solution, a good social networking all-in-one app solution and a type of third party UI app that would mimic stock one and could potentialy replace missing BB10 features.

    It would be good to hear something possitive about how this can be done. Also a big part of problem would be will the BB10 dev software still be opened for use after the EOL and can it be done without it?

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    08-10-18 12:51 PM
  21. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    I beleave if enough of us continue to use BB10, they would have no option to deny us of the basic features. Having in mind that brand new BB10 devices are still selling as old stocks arent depleated.

    As I see it this platform to be continialy functional, should get a good browsing solution, a good social networking all-in-one app solution and a type of third party UI app that would mimic stock one and could potentialy replace missing BB10 features.

    It would be good to hear something possitive about how this can be done. Also a big part of problem would be will the BB10 dev software still be opened for use after the EOL and can it be done without it?

    Posted via CB10
    Your belief (or hope) and BlackBerry's legal obligation might be very different... they have left the hardware business and they have given BB10 users a two year notification of EOL. Nobody is going to feel sorry for a person that buys a heavily discounted 5+ year old phone without doing some research.

    As for the rest... BB10 Developer tools are still available, just there is no money in BB10 development at this point. And BlackBerry has put everyone on notice that it is EOL in 2020. What that means exactly is unknown, but developers aren't going to risk building for what is a declining userbase. And BB10 isn't designed to allow a 3rd Party UI - the security that made the OS a draw, is also what prevents it from being tweaked in the afterlife.

    If BB10 lives on after 2020... if will be on the basics or with the help of whatever Android Apps will support Android 4.3.
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    08-10-18 01:06 PM
  22. Leyra B10's Avatar
    I beleave if enough of us continue to use BB10, they would have no option to deny us of the basic features. Having in mind that brand new BB10 devices are still selling as old stocks arent depleated.

    As I see it this platform to be continialy functional, should get a good browsing solution, a good social networking all-in-one app solution and a type of third party UI app that would mimic stock one and could potentialy replace missing BB10 features.

    It would be good to hear something possitive about how this can be done. Also a big part of problem would be will the BB10 dev software still be opened for use after the EOL and can it be done without it?

    Posted via CB10
    A Database is needed. One ready for however many users anyone can estimate. BAR files if I am not mistaken can be compiled with an IBM toolkit. IBM also has some other services like what remember offers. This doesnt cost much. Might not cost anything.

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    08-10-18 01:32 PM
  23. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    A Database is needed. One ready for however many users anyone can estimate. BAR files if I am not mistaken can be compiled with an IBM toolkit. IBM also has some other services like what remember offers. This doesnt cost much. Might not cost anything.

    Posted via CB10
    Well get to it then....

    If you are willing to build this database, get permission from each developer to "host" their apps, and then maintain this archive... I'm sure CrackBerry would give you a sticky post.

    If your thinking it should be easy for someone else to do it... that's probable what the other couple of hundred people that have suggested it, taught too. But it didn't happen when the "paid" apps were removed...
    08-10-18 01:44 PM
  24. thurask's Avatar
    I beleave if enough of us continue to use BB10, they would have no option to deny us of the basic features. Having in mind that brand new BB10 devices are still selling as old stocks arent depleated.
    That stock from three or four (or five) years ago is still sufficient to meet demand is indicative of why there aren't enough users to prevent BlackBerry from pulling the plug and washing their hands of the BB10 experiment.
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    08-10-18 01:46 PM
  25. Leyra B10's Avatar
    Well get to it then....

    If you are willing to build this database, get permission from each developer to "host" their apps, and then maintain this archive... I'm sure CrackBerry would give you a sticky post.

    If your thinking it should be easy for someone else to do it... that's probable what the other couple of hundred people that have suggested it, taught too. But it didn't happen when the "paid" apps were removed...
    I do have something. I dont want to get anyones hopes up, or develelop for just 1 outlet (BB10).

    Not easy no.

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    08-10-18 01:53 PM
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