1. Nikola Adzic's Avatar
    So, I'm going to try to give the OP the benefit of the doubt and say the intent was to have lack of an Uber app serve as an example of what every reasonable purpose will acknowledge - the dwindling app ecosystem on BB10 sucks, and it's much richer and more convenient on Android (or even iOS).

    While I wouldn't guess anyone quits BB10 *just* because of Uber specifically...lack of apps is certainly why I switched off my Classic.
    Can you tell me which apps is lacking on BlackBerry devices so you moved on?
    Me myself using Z30 and Nokia 808 (yes, symbian device) and working in insurance company, and I didn't have need to switch to Android or iOS

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    07-17-16 03:10 AM
  2. arrowz's Avatar
    So I'm walking over an hour to go home right now bc we don't have an Uber app and the mobile site refuses to accept my credit and debit cards as valid.

    I'm done defending BB10 after this. I am going android even if I have to go w an on screen keyboard. **** BlackBerry

    Posted via CB10
    good cause the future blackberry is android, no new blackberry os.
    07-17-16 04:20 AM
  3. vladi's Avatar
    Uber's mobile website is a perfect example that we don't need apps at all! Perfect execution of a service based on HTML5
    07-17-16 04:43 AM
  4. chris constantinou's Avatar
    Android has its fair share of problems too. Sometimes problems are caused by the user not doing things correctly. I see Android as a simple OS. If I had to give my 13 year old a phone it would have to be android. A BlackBerry is far too specialist.....in the hands of the user all phones perform and work in same way. But its the security of a BlackBerry that is happening every time your using it and that can't be seen and most dont realise this, most dont need this level of security and a lot dont care. This is why BlackBerry will always have its supporters but will only sell in small numbers. Just the way I like it!

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    07-17-16 04:56 AM
  5. byex's Avatar
    So I'm walking over an hour to go home right now bc we don't have an Uber app and the mobile site refuses to accept my credit and debit cards as valid.

    I'm done defending BB10 after this. I am going android even if I have to go w an on screen keyboard. **** BlackBerry

    Posted via CB10
    Ya I know how you feel. I blame BlackBerry for my hydro getting cut off at home. Damn banking app wouldn't work on my BlackBerry so couldn't pay my hydro bill. Mobile site unsupported on BlackBerry browser also.




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    07-17-16 05:14 AM
  6. chris constantinou's Avatar
    Its true and ive always said this. Ive add six apps to my BlackBerry. A currency converter. F1 whats app. Crackberry. Spotify and wiker. That is it. If you want angry birds and candy crush buy an android.

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    07-17-16 05:20 AM
  7. raremage's Avatar
    Can you tell me which apps is lacking on BlackBerry devices so you moved on?
    Me myself using Z30 and Nokia 808 (yes, symbian device) and working in insurance company, and I didn't have need to switch to Android or iOS

    Posted via CB10
    The list of apps that I have and use regularly is somewhat exhaustive.

    Travel related apps include Delta, Southwest, Avis, Expedia, OpenTable, and others
    Productivity apps include Microsoft Office, Udemy, Chase, Ink, Glassdoor, WebEx, and Lync/Skype, plus numerous apps related to social interactions and finding my next projects.
    Health apps include FollowMyHealth, GI Monitor, and Endomondo
    Entertainment apps include Hearthstone, Fandango, Netflix, Kindle, Amazon Prime, RocketPlayer and Blizzard's Authenticator

    I work as a technology consultant and my phone ideally serves multiple purposes. Sure, I could carry a Classic and add an iPad Mini or some other tablet...but why bother?
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    07-17-16 06:07 AM
  8. raremage's Avatar
    Uber's mobile website is a perfect example that we don't need apps at all! Perfect execution of a service based on HTML5
    And this is the fallicy that most BB10 users continue to perpetuate. "I have web access, I have a good browser, I don't need any apps."

    It's simply not true, but in fairness until people live in a world with a rich application ecosystem they don't know what they are missing. The convenience of using apps specifically built for the mobile experience and running locally is so much better than the web paradigm at the moment; it's really not even close.

    Look at Pokemon Go. Not for me, but this stupid game has been downloaded 15 MIllion times already in what, a week or so? Try explaining to your kids that they can't play it because you insist they don't need apps. That must be an interesting conversation.

    I know I'll get backlash for this from the diehard BB10 community, but it's the thing that has been holding BB10 back since the release, and despite sometimes strong efforts by BB, it just never got much better. That's sad because BB10 is arguably a better OS, but the lack of adoption ruined its chances.
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    07-17-16 06:14 AM
  9. Emaderton3's Avatar
    The convenience of using apps specifically built for the mobile experience and running locally is so much better than the web paradigm at the moment; it's really not even close.
    This!

    Posted via CB10
    07-17-16 08:04 AM
  10. Halifax Guy's Avatar
    And this is the fallicy that most BB10 users continue to perpetuate. "I have web access, I have a good browser, I don't need any apps."

    It's simply not true, but in fairness until people live in a world with a rich application ecosystem they don't know what they are missing. The convenience of using apps specifically built for the mobile experience and running locally is so much better than the web paradigm at the moment; it's really not even close.

    * But it is true, if one is able to access a Web site, why would one 'need' an app to gain access to that web site?

    Look at Pokemon Go. Not for me, but this stupid game has been downloaded 15 MIllion times already in what, a week or so? Try explaining to your kids that they can't play it because you insist they don't need apps. That must be an interesting conversation.

    * Here's a radical thought, if your children want something let them work for it. If that means that you aren't spoiling them like all their friends' parents are doing, than so be it and good for you in the long run.

    I know I'll get backlash for this from the diehard BB10 community, but it's the thing that has been holding BB10 back since the release, and despite sometimes strong efforts by BB, it just never got much better. That's sad because BB10 is arguably a better OS, but the lack of adoption ruined its chances.
    My Q10 still does what I purchased it do do more than three years ago and does it well. I am not suffering any hardship what-so-ever with a lack of apps.




    Posted using a Q10, 10.3.2.2474.
    07-17-16 10:54 AM
  11. TBone4eva's Avatar
    your practical solution is valid but it shows that we all BB users are increasingly isolated from the modern apps, from the modern world, for god's sake. Don't you see it? Actually I'm pretty mad to BB's board, they've neglected the whole OS10 ecosystem, I think deliberately because they want to ditch it forcing us to go android. I'll go android but not with them, I'm done with BB, a long list of failures, negligence..etc When I go Android, it will be with a Nexus or equivalent. F.... !!
    BlackBerry had no choice, but to abandon the BB10 ecosystem. Not enough people joined the platform, plain and simple. At some point you have to stop putting good money after bad outcomes. From the very beginning BlackBerry knew they needed apps for BB10 to be successful. They even had a VP position for developer relations. That's why they provided so many paths for developers to port their apps to BB10. They reached out to all the major apps to try and get them on the platform. Alec Saunders flew all around the world with BlackBerry Jam, DevCon, and hackathon sessions trying to get developer interest. They instituted the Built for BlackBerry program to give financial incentives for quality apps. They got as many apps as they could, but ultimately they could not escape the "Which came first, Chicken or Egg" problem. Developers will only go where the people are and people will only go where the apps are. Kevin even pointed this out with his CrackBerry metrics. There was never a sustained upward trend. Every time a new phone was released there would be a brief surge of interest and then things would quickly die back down again. I'm sure developers saw the same type of metrics with their apps.

    Sure, BlackBerry made mistakes. We all know how notoriously bad the marketing has been. We still have to understand that more likely than not that BB10 was DOA from the beginning. The consumer had already moved on and wrote the brand off in their minds. The only chance it would have if the OS and marketing would have been perfect at launch and it was far from that. The OS was good, but good was not enough when Apple and Google already controlled the market and the poor marketing didn't help at all. So, at this point John Chen is trying to keep the company alive in some form, most likely as a software company.
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    07-17-16 10:59 AM
  12. Emaderton3's Avatar
    I had one of these reactions after BlackBerry Maps kept trying to put me through a detoured construction area and couldn't reroute after I started driving away. Of course Google Maps on my wife's Samsung knew of the construction and detour.

    It will pass.

    Posted via CB10
    07-17-16 11:24 AM
  13. cmdaga's Avatar
    You can move over to the PRIV. It is a fantastic decide - especially after the Marshmallow update.

    Android isn't too bad either,

    PS: I come from a BlackBerry Z30.

    Posted via the BlackBerry PRIV
    07-17-16 01:22 PM
  14. vladi's Avatar
    And this is the fallicy that most BB10 users continue to perpetuate. "I have web access, I have a good browser, I don't need any apps."

    It's simply not true, but in fairness until people live in a world with a rich application ecosystem they don't know what they are missing. The convenience of using apps specifically built for the mobile experience and running locally is so much better than the web paradigm at the moment; it's really not even close.

    Look at Pokemon Go. Not for me, but this stupid game has been downloaded 15 MIllion times already in what, a week or so? Try explaining to your kids that they can't play it because you insist they don't need apps. That must be an interesting conversation.

    I know I'll get backlash for this from the diehard BB10 community, but it's the thing that has been holding BB10 back since the release, and despite sometimes strong efforts by BB, it just never got much better. That's sad because BB10 is arguably a better OS, but the lack of adoption ruined its chances.
    What apps give you great mobile experience? Mobile experience is necessary evil, great if you want to loose your vision quite quick. As a matter concept of apps is flawed cause it will never ever give you proper experience that mobile devices require. You need single environment that combines all the data and super smart intelligence to predict how to manage and merge the data for you. Think about Google Translate app that can be brought up into any app but like multiplied by gazillion. What we have is a fad and that's ok but a fad that should have been web based from the get go. Same reason why Flash was banned on mobile platforms but you cans till do Flash games and wrap 'em into iOS app. Its business not common sense.

    My point is 90% of the apps are nothing but HTML5 in a container. It could all be done via web as proven by Uber, Airbnb, etc.
    07-17-16 01:35 PM
  15. app_Developer's Avatar

    My point is 90% of the apps are nothing but HTML5 in a container. It could all be done via web as proven by Uber, Airbnb, etc.
    So why isn't Uber's app just HTML5 in a container? Significant portions of their app are native on iOS.

    In fact, why not just drop the apps all together and save time?

    Why is Google Now a native app? Why is BBM a native app? If anyone should know these wonders of HTML5 it should be the app-less BlackBerry, right? Yet BBM is native on Android and iOS.

    (Hint: we tested this a long time ago and found that most users actually do prefer real apps. The web for all things is great in theory, not so great in actual practice measured with actual users who have free access to both options.)
    07-17-16 01:41 PM
  16. blueburk's Avatar
    NO one to call even a friend or mom or dad most people i know find a way home before leaving
    07-17-16 02:26 PM
  17. TgeekB's Avatar
    Who uses UBER? Don't you have a car? Wtf

    Posted via CB10
    I believe something like 8 million people.
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    07-17-16 03:37 PM
  18. vladi's Avatar
    So why isn't Uber's app just HTML5 in a container? Significant portions of their app are native on iOS.

    In fact, why not just drop the apps all together and save time?

    Why is Google Now a native app? Why is BBM a native app? If anyone should know these wonders of HTML5 it should be the app-less BlackBerry, right? Yet BBM is native on Android and iOS.

    (Hint: we tested this a long time ago and found that most users actually do prefer real apps. The web for all things is great in theory, not so great in actual practice measured with actual users who have free access to both options.)
    Yes 90% of apps are just slapped in HTML5. That is my point. And most of them are messy anyway.

    The reason why Web is not so great is because mobile browsers suck on purpose to feed the app store. And people would prefer what ever they tell them to use.

    I'm not knocking down native apps cause there is a need for them obviously like Google Now that y have mentioned but that's because Google Now has to have access to everything on your device. It is something completely different from ESPN app for example. That's the type of apps I'm referring to that we don't need. I'm not saying BBM should be Web based but most of ordinary apps that do nothing but provide centrilized content should. Just look how horrible mobile Web Facebook is, that's on purpose. Just like mobile web google.
    07-17-16 03:58 PM
  19. Emaderton3's Avatar
    Yes 90% of apps are just slapped in HTML5. That is my point. And most of them are messy anyway.

    The reason why Web is not so great is because mobile browsers suck on purpose to feed the app store. And people would prefer what ever they tell them to use.

    I'm not knocking down native apps cause there is a need for them obviously like Google Now that y have mentioned but that's because Google Now has to have access to everything on your device. It is something completely different from ESPN app for example. That's the type of apps I'm referring to that we don't need. I'm not saying BBM should be Web based but most of ordinary apps that do nothing but provide centrilized content should. Just look how horrible mobile Web Facebook is, that's on purpose. Just like mobile web google.
    I understand your point, but I would much rather use the ESPN app and others that have a similar user friendly format. The Web pages have too much embedded stuff in it (videos, ads that load slowly, etc).

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    07-17-16 04:28 PM
  20. Invictus0's Avatar
    My point is 90% of the apps are nothing but HTML5 in a container.
    Source to the 90% claim?

    And OP's problems are as a result of the mobile website.
    07-17-16 04:37 PM
  21. conite's Avatar
    Yes 90% of apps are just slapped in HTML5.
    I might buy 0.9%.
    07-17-16 04:44 PM
  22. Lostboy5151's Avatar
    I used m.uber.com and it didn't work I walked home and my roommate locked all the locks (we have ones that can only be locked from inside) and I had to climb up the house and fell 10 feet high on my back onto concrete before I could find a way in. I'm done. This is ridiculous I need to sue Uber or BlackBerry.

    Posted via CB10
    If you can prove that getting mad helped your situation and that Uber and Blackberry forced you to climb up and fall down ... then you've got an open and shut case .
    No matter what brand or platform you get, you're always going to find some issue to blame something on. Everyone with a negative attitude usually does.

    Next time, try using your head and keep cool.

    07-17-16 05:06 PM
  23. Plazmic Flame's Avatar
    I used m.uber.com and it didn't work I walked home and my roommate locked all the locks (we have ones that can only be locked from inside) and I had to climb up the house and fell 10 feet high on my back onto concrete before I could find a way in. I'm done. This is ridiculous I need to sue Uber or BlackBerry.

    Posted via CB10


    Seriously though, I think your OS isn't up to date. I have a friend who had this issue with his Passport and we always hated when he was coming along because we couldn't split the fare with him. A few months ago though, he surprised us all when he hailed the Uber from his BB10 browser. He said he updated the OS and all was right in the world again.
    07-17-16 05:17 PM
  24. raremage's Avatar
    What apps give you great mobile experience? Mobile experience is necessary evil, great if you want to loose your vision quite quick. As a matter concept of apps is flawed cause it will never ever give you proper experience that mobile devices require. You need single environment that combines all the data and super smart intelligence to predict how to manage and merge the data for you. Think about Google Translate app that can be brought up into any app but like multiplied by gazillion. What we have is a fad and that's ok but a fad that should have been web based from the get go. Same reason why Flash was banned on mobile platforms but you cans till do Flash games and wrap 'em into iOS app. Its business not common sense.

    My point is 90% of the apps are nothing but HTML5 in a container. It could all be done via web as proven by Uber, Airbnb, etc.
    Mmm Hmm. As I said, a fallacy that BB10 diehards continue to perpetuate.
    07-17-16 08:11 PM
  25. Fret Madden's Avatar
    [warn]20% of this thread had to go bye-bye because certain individuals seem to have forgotten we have a code of conduct for this forum (and all Mobile Nations forums). There's far too many off topic posts and bickering between members and it stops now. I'm forgoing handing out yellow and red cards this time, but I'm not going o be particularly thrilled if I get called back in here. Thank you to those that continued the discussion despite those posts.[/warn]

    Play Nice, Be Helpful, and have Respect!
    This means keep the language clean, keep your posts polite, and don’t get into arguments over dumb things. If somebody responds to a thread you posted in poor fashion, ignore it, and the moderation team will quickly clean it up (you can always message or email a moderator at any time if you observe anything that is in poor taste/against the rules). Think back to what your parentals and teachers used to lecture - if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.
    Always remember that we are all unique and at different levels here - some of us are experienced BlackBerry users and forum junkies, while others are just starting out. If you’re on the experienced side, have patience for those just joining in on the fun and be helpful. With a little patience and a little help they won’t be newbies for long. Also remember that it is our differences that keeps this place interesting. If everyone was from the same place and at the same experience level it would be boring. This is a worldwide community united by a common interest - our love, or addiction as some would call it, for the BlackBerry!
    07-17-16 11:30 PM
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