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  1. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    It's down to the web browser and the particularly the email client to support Oath2. It doesn't get to the operating system level.
    Understood. But those components were developed by BlackBerry in 2012-13, and updated for security certifications in 2014 as part of the core system. It would be strange and out of character if they neglected a critical standard in that effort.

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    05-05-20 09:22 AM
  2. nevilleadaniels's Avatar
    Understood. But those components were developed by BlackBerry in 2012-13, and updated for security certifications in 2014 as part of the core system. It would be strange and out of character if they neglected a critical standard in that effort.

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    Adopt a particular standard is not internationally ratified up to security standards.
    O2 was conjured up by Google with Microsoft Yahoo and AOL joining the cohort, Apple beat all but Google to that.

    That is the C.I.A and N.S.A. lacky group.
    Facebook has joined them. But no serious international player outside of the United States of actually taking that on and admitted it.
    05-06-20 01:56 AM
  3. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Adopt a particular standard is not internationally ratified up to security standards.
    O2 was conjured up by Google with Microsoft Yahoo and AOL joining the cohort, Apple beat all but Google to that.

    That is the C.I.A and N.S.A. lacky group.
    Facebook has joined them. But no serious international player outside of the United States of actually taking that on and admitted it.
    I'm not arguing for the technical merits of OAuth 2.0. But Microsoft and Google committed to it, and BlackBerry has always focused on full compliance with MS Exchange Server. So, it would be out of character for them not to have included OAuth 2.0 support when they revised BB10 to achieve the US government and ally certifications that are largely coordinated by the "C.I.A and N.S.A lucky group."

    Prior to the BlackBerry Mobile fiasco, BlackBerry has never failed to implement Microsoft's protocols for email as soon as they were announced. It's one reason that they're devices have worked for email many years after release.


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    05-06-20 07:20 AM
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    Well BlackBerry password keeper is now out for key 2 as of April 2020. Just arrived in the Uk 2 days ago.

    The other apps were under beta last month, hopefully you will have have Oauth2 in hub, this month May 2020

    If enough people ask Blackberry could be persuaded to issue a patch for the older versions on its own operating system. Especially if they have the support of government departments and big firms.
    Last edited by nevilleadaniels; 05-06-20 at 10:28 AM.
    05-06-20 07:47 AM
  5. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Well BlackBerry password keeper is now out for key 2 as of April 2020. Just arrived in the Uk 2 days ago.

    The other apps were under beta last month, hopefully you will have have Oauth2 in hub, this month May 2020
    Being that this discussion is about BB10...
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    05-06-20 08:40 AM
  6. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Well BlackBerry password keeper is now out for key 2 as of April 2020. Just arrived in the Uk 2 days ago.

    The other apps were under beta last month, hopefully you will have have Oauth2 in hub, this month May 2020

    If enough people ask Blackberry could be persuaded to issue a patch for the older versions on its own operating system. Especially if they have the support of government departments and big firms.
    BlackBerry completed all development on BB10, including its Hub and browser in 2014. My assumption is that it supports OAuth 2.0 already, but we'll find out for sure in October.

    BlackBerry Android already supports OAuth 2.0, so that's not an issue.

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    05-06-20 12:25 PM
  7. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    I have confirmed that an OAuth library built for the Cascades framework was published in 2013. It included support for OAuth 2.0. However, there is no way to know the following:
    1) whether it was implemented
    2) if it was implemented securely
    3) If it requires additional API configuration to work with Exchange Online that probably won't happen.

    The library is located at https:// github.com/blackberry/bb-cascades-oauth

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    Last edited by bb10adopter111; 05-06-20 at 01:00 PM.
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    05-06-20 12:44 PM
  8. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    I have revised my thinking about whether OAuth 2.0 will work with the BB10 Hub for MS Exchange Online after October 2020. My assumption now is that it probably won't work without an update (which I don't expect to come.) The reason is simple: Microsoft just published the developer guide.

    If there is any new information in that guide since substantial work on BB10 ended in 2014, then the implementation won't have been tested, and we should assume it won't work.

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    05-07-20 04:43 PM
  9. curves2000's Avatar
    I have revised my thinking about whether OAuth 2.0 will work with the BB10 Hub for MS Exchange Online after October 2020. My assumption now is that it probably won't work without an update (which I don't expect to come.) The reason is simple: Microsoft just published the developer guide.

    If there is any new information in that guide since substantial work on BB10 ended in 2014, then the implementation won't have been tested, and we should assume it won't work.

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    So we are most likely looking at email such as outlook and hotmail.com not working on Blackberry 10 via the hub? Or is this a situation where a workaround probably won't be available for what we know?

    Seems like the arguments for the runway on Blackberry 10 is getting shorter. For the longest time we users would say how calls, texts and emails work fine along with some light Web surfing. If we start to loose email, that's a big nail in the coffin.

    Thanks!

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    05-07-20 07:29 PM
  10. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    So we are most likely looking at email such as outlook and hotmail.com not working on Blackberry 10 via the hub? Or is this a situation where a workaround probably won't be available for what we know?

    Seems like the arguments for the runway on Blackberry 10 is getting shorter. For the longest time we users would say how calls, texts and emails work fine along with some light Web surfing. If we start to loose email, that's a big nail in the coffin.

    Thanks!

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    I think that the core of BB10 usefulness for people like me (Exchange-based email, task, contact, and calendar synching MAY not work after the. October 2020. The issue is that the current authentication method (using app passwords) will no longer be supported, son that authentication will need to be managed through a security token passed by BlackBerry to Microsoft rather than by allowing the Hub application to use saved credentials for each session.

    It's a better authentication process, but there won't be any workarounds if it's not supported by BlackBerry. We'll just have to wait and see. It would be great to get some guidance from the BlackBerry team.

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    05-07-20 10:43 PM
  11. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    This weekend I will try to see if I can force my Office 365 service to only allow OAuth 2.0 and see if that breaks my BB10 connections.

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    05-07-20 10:45 PM
  12. curves2000's Avatar
    I think that the core of BB10 usefulness for people like me (Exchange-based email, task, contact, and calendar synching MAY not work after the. October 2020. The issue is that the current authentication method (using app passwords) will no longer be supported, son that authentication will need to be managed through a security token passed by BlackBerry to Microsoft rather than by allowing the Hub application to use saved credentials for each session.

    It's a better authentication process, but there won't be any workarounds if it's not supported by BlackBerry. We'll just have to wait and see. It would be great to get some guidance from the BlackBerry team.

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    Sorry for the dumb question as I am not the sharpest tech guy, in my case I don't really sync calendar or contacts via my hotmail.com address. I have the email accounts on my hub on my devices and than when I need to use my laptop, I just log on via the website. I don't believe I am using Exchange?

    So your saying that in my case in October, I may not be able to get email?

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    05-08-20 12:45 AM
  13. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Sorry for the dumb question as I am not the sharpest tech guy, in my case I don't really sync calendar or contacts via my hotmail.com address. I have the email accounts on my hub on my devices and than when I need to use my laptop, I just log on via the website. I don't believe I am using Exchange?

    So your saying that in my case in October, I may not be able to get email?

    Posted via CB10
    I have no idea how Hotmail will be affected. If Microsoft ends support for legacy authentication for Hotmail as well as Office 365, then that could be an issue (Hotmail uses Exchange, but is not part of Office 365.).

    Currently the Hub remembers your username and password for Hotmail and logs in repeatedly to check email, with your user name and either your main password (if you don't use second factor authentication) or with an app password.

    Microsoft (and everyone else) wants to move away from frequent sending of credentials, as it's more prone to compromise, towards a token-based approach whereas secure key is generated one time and used subsequently instead of passing credentials.

    The issue is for you is 1) whether BB10 will support that model and 2) will the same rules be enforced for Hotmail.

    I don't know the answer to either question.

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    05-08-20 07:21 AM
  14. ajohansson's Avatar
    Sorry for the dumb question as I am not the sharpest tech guy, in my case I don't really sync calendar or contacts via my hotmail.com address. I have the email accounts on my hub on my devices and than when I need to use my laptop, I just log on via the website. I don't believe I am using Exchange?

    So your saying that in my case in October, I may not be able to get email?

    Posted via CB10
    Hotmail.com and Outlook.com should be part of the O365 Exchange. See my post #24 earlier. You should have received an email from MS in mid 2016 notifying you that they were migrating your Hotmail account.

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    05-08-20 09:33 AM
  15. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Hotmail.com and Outlook.com should be part of the O365 Exchange. See my post #24 earlier. You should have received an email from MS in mid 2016 notifying you that they were migrating your Hotmail account.

    Posted via CB10
    They are using the same platform, but I haven't seen any communication that they will be enforcing OAuth 2.0 for Hotmail and Outlook.com. Have you?

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