1. yhamaie's Avatar
    Dear all . . . may I ask if PTCRB Certification matters a lot or a little? It appears that Q5, Q10, Z10, and Z30 were certified with Software Release Version: 10.2.1.537 (OS Version: 10.2.1.1925 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899) and Software Release Version: 10.2.1.506 (OS Version: 10.2.1.1898 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899) early in January 2014.

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    The PTCRB was established in 1997 as the wireless device certification forum by North American Mobile Network Operators (MNO). Obtaining PTCRB Certification on a mobile device ensures compliance with 3GPP network standards within the PTCRB Operators' networks. Consequently, PTCRB Operators may block devices from their network if they are not PTCRB certified. CTIA has been assigned as the administrator for the PTCRB Certification process and is also responsible for the administration of PTCRB-issued IMEIs.

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    PTCRB Certified Products

    RFF91LW (BlackBerry STL100-3)
    CER-48927-001 Rev 5 OS Version:10.2.1.1925 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.537 (SV=28) ECO Jan 8, 2014
    CER-48927-001 Rev 5 OS Version:10.2.1.1898 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.506 (SV=28) ECO Jan 6, 2014

    RFK121LW (BlackBerry STL100-3)
    CER-48927-001 Rev 5 OS Version:10.2.1.1925 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.537 (SV=28) ECO Jan 8, 2014
    CER-48927-001 Rev 5 OS Version:10.2.1.1898 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.506 (SV=28) ECO Jan 6, 2014

    RFL111LW (BlackBerry SQN100-1)
    CER-53012-001- Rev3-906-05 OS Version: 10.2.1.1925 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.537 (SV = 23) ECO Jan 8, 2014
    CER-53012-001- Rev3-906-05 OS Version: 10.2.1.1898 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.506 (SV = 23) ECO Jan 6, 2014

    RFN81UW (BlackBerry SQN100-3)
    CER-53015-001- Rev3-906-03 OS Version: 10.2.1.1925 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.537 (SV = 19) ECO Jan 8, 2014
    CER-53015-001- Rev3-906-03 OS Version: 10.2.1.1898 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.506 (SV = 19) ECO Jan 6, 2014

    RFP121LW (BlackBerry SQN100-5)
    CER-54352-001-Rev2-906-002 OS Version: 10.2.1.1925 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.537 (SV = 12) ECO Jan 8, 2014
    CER-54352-001- Rev2-906-002 OS Version: 10.2.1.1898 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.506 (SV = 12) ECO Jan 6, 2014

    RFR101LW (BlackBerry SQR100-1)
    CER-54730-001- Rev2-x09-05 OS Version: 10.2.1.1925 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.537 (SV = 10) ECO Jan 8, 2014
    CER-54730-001- Rev2-x09-05 OS Version: 10.2.1.1898 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.506 (SV = 10) ECO Jan 6, 2014

    RFY111LW (BlackBerry Z30)
    CER-56898-001 - Rev3-x06-02 OS Version: 10.2.1.1925 Radio Version: 10.2.1.1899 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.537 ECO Jan 13, 2014
    Last edited by yhamaie; 01-27-14 at 11:52 PM.
    01-26-14 11:28 PM
  2. pkcable's Avatar
    I expanded the title to help get the conversation started.
    01-28-14 11:32 PM
  3. yhamaie's Avatar
    I expanded the title to help get the conversation started.
    Thank you very much . . . Sincerely,
    01-29-14 02:49 AM
  4. BigBadWulf's Avatar


    How did Verizon get missed?
    02-02-14 11:20 AM
  5. raino's Avatar
    How did Verizon get missed?
    It must be a "GSM only" club. Sprint and Verizon Q10s and the Verizon Z30 aren't on the list either.
    BigBadWulf likes this.
    02-02-14 12:40 PM
  6. gariac's Avatar
    It must be a "GSM only" club. Sprint and Verizon Q10s and the Verizon Z30 aren't on the list either.
    As a former Verizon customer, though not for 8 years, I can attest to how the various CDMA systems do not play well with each other. There is a lot of discipline on GSM.

    When I would roam on CDMA, you got phone service. That was it. Most "digital" features didn't work.

    Posted via CB10
    BigBadWulf likes this.
    02-02-14 12:46 PM
  7. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    First time anyone's suggested I wasn't certified.
    02-02-14 12:55 PM
  8. raino's Avatar
    As a former Verizon customer, though not for 8 years, I can attest to how the various CDMA systems do not play well with each other. There is a lot of discipline on GSM.
    It should be better now, no? With roaming agreements and GSM-CDMA phones (like the two Q10s and the Z30.)

    Anyway, this line is quite interesting:

    Consequently, PTCRB Operators may block devices from their network if they are not PTCRB certified.
    What does it mean? We don't see the two CDMA Q10s and Z30 on the list, but we very well know that they can be used on (GSM) networks they weren't primarily intended for.
    BigBadWulf likes this.
    02-02-14 12:59 PM
  9. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    As a former Verizon customer, though not for 8 years, I can attest to how the various CDMA systems do not play well with each other. There is a lot of discipline on GSM.

    When I would roam on CDMA, you got phone service. That was it. Most "digital" features didn't work.

    Posted via CB10
    Haven't needed to roam, with LTE you'd get some data.
    02-02-14 01:03 PM
  10. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    It should be better now, no? With roaming agreements and GSM-CDMA phones (like the two Q10s and the Z30.)

    Anyway, this line is quite interesting:



    What does it mean? We don't see the two CDMA Q10s and Z30 on the list, but we very well know that they can be used on (GSM) networks they weren't primarily intended for.
    I know for Verizon, while in theory a world GSM phone should work, they can't connect it to their system. In reverse, I'd expect success.
    02-02-14 01:06 PM
  11. raino's Avatar
    I know for Verizon, while in theory a world GSM phone should work, they can't connect it to their system. In reverse, I'd expect success.
    Right. Verizon flat out refuses to allow phones on their network which, in effect, aren't Verizon branded. You may buy them anywhere, but they have to be Verizon branded.

    But then, are there any other (CDMA) carriers whose phones can legallybe made to work on Verizon? Not sure on the CDMA aspect of it (I imagine it would involve flashing,) but I doubt there's any other carrier in the world using band 13 LTE.

    OTOH, North American GSM ain't all that great either. We use some relatively exotic bands here (the 1700s, the 1900s, etc.)
    02-02-14 01:15 PM
  12. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    Right. Verizon flat out refuses to allow phones on their network which, in effect, aren't Verizon branded. You may buy them anywhere, but they have to be Verizon branded.

    But then, are there any other (CDMA) carriers whose phones can legallybe made to work on Verizon? Not sure on the CDMA aspect of it (I imagine it would involve flashing,) but I doubt there's any other carrier in the world using band 13 LTE.

    OTOH, North American GSM ain't all that great either. We use some relatively exotic bands here (the 1700s, the 1900s, etc.)
    Some Sprint phones can be flashed to work on Boost. Beyond that, I don't think there's nothing I'm aware of.
    02-02-14 01:23 PM
  13. gariac's Avatar
    Haven't needed to roam, with LTE you'd get some data.
    We didn't have LTE 8 years ago. ;-)

    But even today, you can't connect your GSM phone to Verizon LTE. Just go to the network setup, select manual, and the phone will scan for providers. It will see Verizon LTE, but you can't connect ever for emergency purposes. With my Tmob sim, I could connect to AT&T for emergency.

    You can prove if you are connected by looking at the MNC MCC codes with apps or the engineering screen.

    Posted via CB10
    02-03-14 02:14 PM
  14. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    We didn't have LTE 8 years ago. ;-)

    But even today, you can't connect your GSM phone to Verizon LTE. Just go to the network setup, select manual, and the phone will scan for providers. It will see Verizon LTE, but you can't connect ever for emergency purposes. With my Tmob sim, I could connect to AT&T for emergency.

    You can prove if you are connected by looking at the MNC MCC codes with apps or the engineering screen.

    Posted via CB10
    Please read the rest of my posts.
    02-03-14 03:45 PM
  15. raino's Avatar
    But even today, you can't connect your GSM phone to Verizon LTE. Just go to the network setup, select manual, and the phone will scan for providers. It will see Verizon LTE, but you can't connect ever for emergency purposes. With my Tmob sim, I could connect to AT&T for emergency.
    One reason: roaming agreements (or lack thereof.) If there was a roaming agreement in place between TMO and VZ (for their LTE 1700 networks,) you could jump on the VZ 1700 LTE network with a TMO SIM in (I won't say the opposite would be the true, because Verizon doesn't allow non-Verizon phones on their network.) Plus, for true emergency purposes (i.e. calling 911,) you don't need any bars. Heck, you don't even need a SIM card in your phone. I would imagine it's the same with CDMA networks--you don't need active service to dial 911.
    02-03-14 04:14 PM
  16. gariac's Avatar
    I have this obsession with finding the physical location of towers and their identifying parameters, so I like to tower sniff. I can't connect in any manner to a VZW LTE. When I put the z10 with tmob sim in manual, scanned, then tried to connect to VWZ, it didn't connect. Mind you the phone put the emergency icon on the display, but when I checked the tower parameters, the phone had switched to AT&T.

    The next time I am in a location with only VWZ, I will try to connect to any of their services. I did a search in an area with only VWZ already with the Z10, but that was prior to it being unlocked. For emergency use, I doubt locking makes a difference.

    I do have a means to check Verizon LTE using SDR technology. The scheme is open source. I'm don't have that machine booted at the moment, bit IIRC the source code is on github.

    Posted via CB10
    02-03-14 04:33 PM
  17. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    I have this obsession with finding the physical location of towers and their identifying parameters, so I like to tower sniff. I can't connect in any manner to a VZW LTE. When I put the z10 with tmob sim in manual, scanned, then tried to connect to VWZ, it didn't connect. Mind you the phone put the emergency icon on the display, but when I checked the tower parameters, the phone had switched to AT&T.

    The next time I am in a location with only VWZ, I will try to connect to any of their services. I did a search in an area with only VWZ already with the Z10, but that was prior to it being unlocked. For emergency use, I doubt locking makes a difference.

    I do have a means to check Verizon LTE using SDR technology. The scheme is open source. I'm don't have that machine booted at the moment, bit IIRC the source code is on github.

    Posted via CB10
    You may surprise me, but I doubt you'll get a GSM phone to connect with VZW.
    02-03-14 04:48 PM
  18. yhamaie's Avatar
    For those who are interested in the recent OS upgrades for Q10 and Z10 devices sold through T-Mobile . . .

    SQN100-5

    Manufacturer: BlackBerry
    Model #: RFP121LW (BlackBerry SQN100-5)
    Supported Technologies
    and Frequency Bands: E-UTRA FDD: Band 2/Band 4/Band 5/Band 17, GSM: 850/900/1800/1900, UMTS FDD: Band I/Band II/Band IV/Band V

    HW Version SW Version Request Type Date Certified
    CER-54352-001-Rev2-906-002 OS Version: 10.2.1.2228 Radio Version: 10.2.1.2229 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.2156 (SV = 16) ECO Mar 13, 2014

    STL100-3

    Manufacturer: BlackBerry
    Model #: RFK121LW (BlackBerry STL100-3)
    Supported Technologies
    and Frequency Bands: E-UTRA FDD: Band 2/Band 4/Band 5/Band 17, GSM: 850/900/1800/1900, UMTS FDD: Band I/Band II/Band IV/Band V

    HW Version SW Version Request Type Date Certified
    CER-48927-001 Rev 5 OS Version: 10.2.1.2228 Radio Version: 10.2.1.2229 SW Release Version: 10.2.1.2156 ECO Mar 13, 2014
    Last edited by yhamaie; 03-15-14 at 07:16 PM.
    03-15-14 06:56 PM
  19. yhamaie's Avatar
    For those who are interested in the recently (NOT officially) released Software Release 10.3.0.675 . . . for BlackBerry Passport.

    PTCRB Certified Product Detail

    Manufacturer: BlackBerry

    Model #: RGY181LW (BlackBerry SQW100-1)

    Supported Technologies and Frequency Bands:

    E-UTRA CA: CA_4A-17A/CA_2A-17A, E-UTRA FDD: Band 1/Band 2/Band 3/Band 4/Band 5/Band 7/Band 8/Band 13/Band 17/Band 20

    GSM: 850/900/1800/1900

    UMTS FDD: Band I/Band II/Band IV/Band V

    HW Version: CER-59665-001 - Rev2-x05-05
    SW Version: OS Version: 10.3.0.1052 Radio Version: 10.3.0.1053 SW Release Version: 10.3.0.675
    Request Type: Initial
    Date Certified: Aug 18, 2014

    Does PTCRB Certification Really Matter?-img_20140823_085854.png
    08-22-14 07:53 PM
  20. yhamaie's Avatar
    For those who are interested in the recently (NOT officially) released Software Release 10.3.0.738 . . . for BlackBerry Passport.

    PTCRB Certified Product Detail

    Manufacturer: BlackBerry

    Model #: RGY181LW (BlackBerry SQW100-1)

    Supported Technologies and Frequency Bands:

    E-UTRA CA: CA_4A-17A/CA_2A-17A, E-UTRA FDD: Band 1/Band 2/Band 3/Band 4/Band 5/Band 7/Band 8/Band 13/Band 17/Band 20

    GSM: 850/900/1800/1900

    UMTS FDD: Band I/Band II/Band IV/Band V

    HW Version: CER-59665-001 - Rev2-x05-05
    SW Version: OS Version: 10.3.0.1154 Radio Version: 10.3.0.1155 SW Release Version: 10.3.0.738
    Request Type: ECO
    Date Certified: Sep 2, 2014

    Does PTCRB Certification Really Matter?-img_20140906_061714.png
    09-05-14 04:11 PM

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