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  1. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    ART was a crutch, to generate consumer sales. That failed, and left BlackBerry to focus on "prosumers" , hence the need for NIAP certification. Implementation of security enhancements and OS fine tuning, is all BlackBerry can justify spending labor dollars on. What reason could they give the stockholders, for updating the ART?
    12-03-16 06:06 PM
  2. keliew's Avatar
    It depends on the numbers and how you present them.

    Since we don't know the details, we can't say much.

    BlackBerry Passport via CB10
    12-04-16 07:01 AM
  3. G_Unit MVP's Avatar
    It could be possible. Establish open source development group, give them the possibilities to do it, signing keys, they release the runtime update, play dumb when Google asks.
    About the possible lawsuit: If launched in parallel with Google Play Services investigation done by EU European Commission - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - Antitrust: Commission sends Statement of Objections to Google on Android operating system and applications, the lawsuit could be a really interesting to watch. It could be probably won in the USA too. However, this doesn't take in the account the amount of backlash in marketing that would follow.
    FTC and DOJ wanted to break Microsoft in 2001 for far less as monopoly, this is so blatant antitrust that even a 10 year old could make an argument on why it would be good to break Google in separate companies. GPS or IE6 it is still same abuse power.
    Tying
    A long time ago, Google was the alternative to Microsoft abusives practices. Sad to see how they become the new Micro$oft...
    12-04-16 07:17 AM
  4. Guy Hollidge's Avatar
    Why can't third party developers create their own android runtime? Is ot not possible to strip it from the latest OS?
    12-04-16 01:06 PM
  5. conite's Avatar
    Why can't third party developers create their own android runtime? Is ot not possible to strip it from the latest OS?
    Because only software with Blackberry authenticated keys can be installed on a bb10 device.
    12-04-16 01:26 PM
  6. keliew's Avatar
    A long time ago, Google was the alternative to Microsoft abusives practices. Sad to see how they become the new Micro$oft...
    It's pure business to keep everyone in the job pool.

    Someone has to pay for something.

    BlackBerry Passport via CB10
    12-04-16 01:32 PM
  7. Guy Hollidge's Avatar
    What about android apps, how do they get around that problem? It's a shame some of these keys can't be leaked. It's not like BB are going to bring out a new update anytime soon
    12-04-16 02:43 PM
  8. DonHB's Avatar
    A couple of agreements and a number of lawsuits by Google. The picture is pretty clear, and generally accepted.
    Would like to read about the lawsuits. Could you post some links?
    12-04-16 02:52 PM
  9. DonHB's Avatar
    Because only software with Blackberry authenticated keys can be installed on a bb10 device.
    BlackBerry could make the runtime removable, perhaps in 10.3.4, and allow products like BlueStacks to be available on BlackBerry World. Would BlueStacks want to move beyond Windows and OS X though?
    12-04-16 02:57 PM
  10. conite's Avatar
    BlackBerry could make the runtime removable, perhaps in 10.3.4, and allow products like BlueStacks to be available on BlackBerry World. Would BlueStacks want to move beyond Windows and OS X though?
    Why on earth would they bother with that?
    12-04-16 03:04 PM
  11. thurask's Avatar
    What about android apps, how do they get around that problem? It's a shame some of these keys can't be leaked. It's not like BB are going to bring out a new update anytime soon
    They're managed within the runtime itself, they don't need signing.

    Native apps either need signing or developer mode + debug tokens.
    12-04-16 03:06 PM
  12. DonHB's Avatar
    Why on earth would they bother with that?
    BlackBerry or BlueStacks?
    12-04-16 03:10 PM
  13. conite's Avatar
    Would like to read about the lawsuits. Could you post some links?
    https://www.google.ca/amp/www.digita...oid-blackberry
    12-04-16 03:11 PM
  14. DonHB's Avatar
    A couple of agreements and a number of lawsuits by Google. The picture is pretty clear, and generally accepted.
    This was four years ago. Have links to others?
    12-04-16 03:25 PM
  15. conite's Avatar
    This was four years ago. Have links to others?
    No one in their right mind has challenged Google in this way since then. The rules were plainly established.
    12-04-16 03:31 PM
  16. conite's Avatar
    BlackBerry or BlueStacks?
    Any of it. A great number of apps in BBW are Android. They aren't going to tear out the Runtime, or spend any resources trying to re-jig it.
    12-04-16 03:32 PM
  17. DonHB's Avatar
    No one in their right mind has challenged Google in this way since then. The rules were plainly established.
    And is OHA as good as defunct considering no new members have joined it since 2011? BlackBerry isn't on the member list. Just suggesting things may have changed.
    12-04-16 03:41 PM
  18. DonHB's Avatar
    Any of it. A great number of apps in BBW are Android. They aren't going to tear out the Runtime, or spend any resources trying to re-jig it.
    I wouldn't presuppose anything other than it is easier (i.e. cheaper) to make it removable than to upgrade it or fix vulnerabilities. Allowing customers to remove the Dalvik runtime and libraries may make for a more secure platform considering little has changed with it since 10.3's introduction (or have security fixes been made?).

    Making BB10 more open in this way may generate interest in third party ART replacements. BlackBerry World could remain the source for the Android apps. Reasonable if BlackBerry wants to maintain security/(privacy) of BB10.

    .02
    12-04-16 03:57 PM
  19. Ronindan's Avatar
    And is OHA as good as defunct considering no new members have joined it since 2011? BlackBerry isn't on the member list. Just suggesting things may have changed.
    BB is making android phones - they are part of the OHA regardless if the member list is updated not.
    12-04-16 03:58 PM
  20. conite's Avatar
    Making BB10 more open in this way may generate interest in third party ART replacements. BlackBerry World could remain the source for the Android apps. Reasonable if BlackBerry wants to maintain security/(privacy) of BB10.

    .02
    They haven't so much as touched BB10 in almost two years (beyond an intern squashing a handful of bugs). This type of development is never, ever going to happen.
    12-04-16 04:48 PM
  21. DonHB's Avatar
    BB is making android phones - they are part of the OHA regardless if the member list is updated not.
    I am suggesting that with regards to the OHA things have changed in the past five or so years.
    12-05-16 10:56 AM
  22. conite's Avatar
    I am suggesting that with regards to the OHA things have changed in the past five or so years.
    What would make you think that? If anything, Google has been tightening its grip.
    12-05-16 11:05 AM
  23. DonHB's Avatar
    They haven't so much as touched BB10 in almost two years (beyond an intern squashing a handful of bugs). This type of development is never, ever going to happen.
    Yet they invested in NIAP certification.

    If APIs become free use the future could become interesting. BBRY could make BB10 more secure more private and more open than iOS and Android allowing third parties to provide developer tools through BlackBerry World. Could be an element in their strategy of advertising their new software prowess and be foundational to IoT and EoT.
    12-05-16 11:11 AM
  24. DonHB's Avatar
    What would make you think that? If anything, Google has been tightening its grip.
    I am suggesting that Google no longer needs the OHA as an entity. The tightening grip is evidence of this. I am also suggesting that licenses are proprietary and that we do not know what BlackBerry negotiated with Google. Also, BlackBerry's licensing of Android to others may not require them to license Google Play Services and that the manufacturers are responsible to license Google Play Services directly from Alphabet's subsidiary. Going forward BlackBerry may no longer need the license from Google.

    Assuming, however, that they still need a license, with issues of Android market monopoly raised in Europe, Google may have chosen to give a company with a bad market record more relaxed terms--wouldn't want to risk the same with Samsung. BlackBerry becomes a counterpunch to the EU's accusations.

    That they are allowed to sell their own compliant implementation of Android to others could confirm any of the above.
    12-05-16 11:28 AM
  25. conite's Avatar
    Yet they invested in NIAP certification.
    Yes, and we see the results after a year of "development" - a few browser certificates.
    12-05-16 11:32 AM
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