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Dec 02 2016 | 4:27 pm EST Mauri5io

ART is the same 4.3 with fixes

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472
Dec 02 2016 | 5:05 pm EST Low Joe

No. 4.3 jelly bean

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1,146
Dec 02 2016 | 5:25 pm EST BrizzadMan

Beginning of the end, as we'll begin to see a lot of new app releases that demand 4.4+ (such as new Netflix app with download capabilities).

4,179
Dec 02 2016 | 5:38 pm EST krazyatom

How hard is to update android run time? I guess it's very hard for BlackBerry.

56,165
Dec 02 2016 | 5:42 pm EST conite

How hard is to update android run time? I guess it's very hard for BlackBerry.
They wouldn't be permitted to update it even if they wanted to and had the resources left to do it. OHA rules.

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Dec 02 2016 | 6:09 pm EST krazyatom

They wouldn't be permitted to update it even if they wanted to and had the resources left to do it. OHA rules.
To get a permission, do they want money?

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Dec 02 2016 | 6:14 pm EST BEEBEEBEEBEE

Sad that Blackberry bends the knee to Google in this respect.

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Dec 02 2016 | 6:43 pm EST Ment

To get a permission, do they want money?
Google has plenty of money. Google wants uniformity in its apps and associated processes to work exactly the same on every Android device and that will never happen with Blackberry because the runtime is a hack on BB10 and Blackberry would not let Google have the system access it does on Android devices. Because the runtime is on top of another OS it will never be able to pass compatibility testing with Google like every other Android device does before its issued a license for Google app/services.

Google was fine with letting the runtime die on the vine in order to get Blackberry on Android but thats the end of it.

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Dec 02 2016 | 8:40 pm EST dalight13

How hard is to update android run time? I guess it's very hard for BlackBerry.
How hard could it be for Honda to produce the next Lamborghini car? ........

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Dec 02 2016 | 8:54 pm EST krazyatom

How hard could it be for Honda to produce the next Lamborghini car? ........

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You know Honda makes more money than Lamborghini and they have tech to do it. Not a good comparison!

4,179
Dec 02 2016 | 8:57 pm EST krazyatom

Google has plenty of money. Google wants uniformity in its apps and associated processes to work exactly the same on every Android device and that will never happen with Blackberry because the runtime is a hack on BB10 and Blackberry would not let Google have the system access it does on Android devices. Because the runtime is on top of another OS it will never be able to pass compatibility testing with Google like every other Android device does before its issued a license for Google app/services.

Google was fine with letting the runtime die on the vine in order to get Blackberry on Android but thats the end of it.
Such a shame that bb10 will be EOL. Google should buy BB10!

56,165
Dec 02 2016 | 9:08 pm EST conite

Such a shame that bb10 will be EOL. Google should buy BB10!
What would they do with it?

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Dec 02 2016 | 9:38 pm EST aymanqqq

Beginning of the end, as we'll begin to see a lot of new app releases that demand 4.4+ (such as new Netflix app with download capabilities).
Thats mean "Os will die very soon"

1,146
Dec 02 2016 | 9:44 pm EST BrizzadMan

Thats mean "Os will die very soon"
The OS will become less useful to people leveraging the use of Android apps.

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Dec 03 2016 | 6:14 am EST kvndoom

Such a shame that bb10 will be EOL. Google should buy BB10!
I wish they would... then it could be 'officially' pronounced dead sooner.

Blackberry Poptart SE - Cricket Wireless

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Dec 03 2016 | 6:32 am EST dragoncurt

Beginning of the end, as we'll begin to see a lot of new app releases that demand 4.4+ (such as new Netflix app with download capabilities).
Oh that's why I am not seeing the download button on Netflix.

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Dec 03 2016 | 8:02 am EST hobgoblin1961

No need for RT update on OS10 devices, all the Android fantastics are moved over to a Google adware devices by now, no need for OS10 devs to waste time on that.
FB and WA noticed that trend and pulled the plug for the good because sugerboy realised that OS10 is no good for them to flood his brain dead muppet users with there commercial crap ad's , let us have a clean and fast consistent OS10, glad that finally coming through.

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Dec 03 2016 | 10:23 am EST ryder55

Android 4.3 has good app handling capabilities still. Most of what Google has added to android after it, is spyware such as hard baking Google play services into the OS and unnecessary bloated design updates that are unimpressive. Also they've been closing loopholes that allowed users who know what they're doing, secure the os better. Why do the masses believe that every os update means something good is been done under the hood?

Run a nexus 4 and see how good it is in handling recent apps. All blackberry should do is at least ensure we have a smooth experience with the runtime by fixing it .

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Dec 03 2016 | 3:29 pm EST DonHB

Actually support for some third party hardware requires Android 4.4.

The assumption that BBRY is not permitted to update the Android runtime is just that, because BlackBerry's license for Google Mobile/Play Services is proprietary.

Unless Conite had the opportunity to peruse BlackBerry's license agreement he is making assumptions from content from one agreement leaked years ago.

So, only BBRY knows what they are permitted to do with Android runtimes. It is possible that BlackBerry will no longer licenses Google Play Services and will rely on each manufacturer partners' license for Google Play. May be why the BlackBerry name is not found on DTEK devices.

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Dec 03 2016 | 3:37 pm EST conite


Unless Conite had the opportunity to peruse BlackBerry's license agreement he is making assumptions from content from one agreement leaked years ago.
A couple of agreements and a number of lawsuits by Google. The picture is pretty clear, and generally accepted.

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Dec 03 2016 | 4:47 pm EST anon(9742832)

Do os 10.3.3 update have update android runtime ?
Same run-time but it has been updated

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Dec 03 2016 | 5:13 pm EST yyz321

How hard could it be for Honda to produce the next Lamborghini car? ........

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Honda has a longer history in F1.

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Dec 03 2016 | 5:18 pm EST Nikola Stojic

It could be possible. Establish open source development group, give them the possibilities to do it, signing keys, they release the runtime update, play dumb when Google asks.
About the possible lawsuit: If launched in parallel with Google Play Services investigation done by EU European Commission - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - Antitrust: Commission sends Statement of Objections to Google on Android operating system and applications, the lawsuit could be a really interesting to watch. It could be probably won in the USA too. However, this doesn't take in the account the amount of backlash in marketing that would follow.
FTC and DOJ wanted to break Microsoft in 2001 for far less as monopoly, this is so blatant antitrust that even a 10 year old could make an argument on why it would be good to break Google in separate companies. GPS or IE6 it is still same abuse power.

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Dec 03 2016 | 6:06 pm EST BigBadWulf

ART was a crutch, to generate consumer sales. That failed, and left BlackBerry to focus on "prosumers" , hence the need for NIAP certification. Implementation of security enhancements and OS fine tuning, is all BlackBerry can justify spending labor dollars on. What reason could they give the stockholders, for updating the ART?

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Dec 04 2016 | 7:01 am EST keliew

It depends on the numbers and how you present them.

Since we don't know the details, we can't say much.

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Dec 04 2016 | 7:17 am EST G_Unit MVP

It could be possible. Establish open source development group, give them the possibilities to do it, signing keys, they release the runtime update, play dumb when Google asks.
About the possible lawsuit: If launched in parallel with Google Play Services investigation done by EU European Commission - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - Antitrust: Commission sends Statement of Objections to Google on Android operating system and applications, the lawsuit could be a really interesting to watch. It could be probably won in the USA too. However, this doesn't take in the account the amount of backlash in marketing that would follow.
FTC and DOJ wanted to break Microsoft in 2001 for far less as monopoly, this is so blatant antitrust that even a 10 year old could make an argument on why it would be good to break Google in separate companies. GPS or IE6 it is still same abuse power.
Tying
A long time ago, Google was the alternative to Microsoft abusives practices. Sad to see how they become the new Micro$oft...

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Dec 04 2016 | 1:06 pm EST Guy Hollidge

Why can't third party developers create their own android runtime? Is ot not possible to strip it from the latest OS?

56,165
Dec 04 2016 | 1:26 pm EST conite

Why can't third party developers create their own android runtime? Is ot not possible to strip it from the latest OS?
Because only software with Blackberry authenticated keys can be installed on a bb10 device.

449
Dec 04 2016 | 1:32 pm EST keliew

A long time ago, Google was the alternative to Microsoft abusives practices. Sad to see how they become the new Micro$oft...
It's pure business to keep everyone in the job pool.

Someone has to pay for something.

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Dec 04 2016 | 2:43 pm EST Guy Hollidge

What about android apps, how do they get around that problem? It's a shame some of these keys can't be leaked. It's not like BB are going to bring out a new update anytime soon

1,273
Dec 04 2016 | 2:52 pm EST DonHB

A couple of agreements and a number of lawsuits by Google. The picture is pretty clear, and generally accepted.
Would like to read about the lawsuits. Could you post some links?

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Dec 04 2016 | 2:57 pm EST DonHB

Because only software with Blackberry authenticated keys can be installed on a bb10 device.
BlackBerry could make the runtime removable, perhaps in 10.3.4, and allow products like BlueStacks to be available on BlackBerry World. Would BlueStacks want to move beyond Windows and OS X though?

56,165
Dec 04 2016 | 3:04 pm EST conite

BlackBerry could make the runtime removable, perhaps in 10.3.4, and allow products like BlueStacks to be available on BlackBerry World. Would BlueStacks want to move beyond Windows and OS X though?
Why on earth would they bother with that?

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Dec 04 2016 | 3:06 pm EST thurask

What about android apps, how do they get around that problem? It's a shame some of these keys can't be leaked. It's not like BB are going to bring out a new update anytime soon
They're managed within the runtime itself, they don't need signing.

Native apps either need signing or developer mode + debug tokens.

1,273
Dec 04 2016 | 3:10 pm EST DonHB

Why on earth would they bother with that?
BlackBerry or BlueStacks?

1,273
Dec 04 2016 | 3:25 pm EST DonHB

A couple of agreements and a number of lawsuits by Google. The picture is pretty clear, and generally accepted.
This was four years ago. Have links to others?

56,165
Dec 04 2016 | 3:31 pm EST conite

This was four years ago. Have links to others?
No one in their right mind has challenged Google in this way since then. The rules were plainly established.