Does Google's antitrust fine shed new light into the BB10 grim horizon?
- https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/1...fine-antitrust
Google has been slapped with a 4 billion euro fine by the EU for their antitrust restrictions, meaning that:
- Google will need to stop forcing manufacturers to preinstall Chrome and Google search in order to offer the Google Play Store on handsets
- Google will also need to stop preventing phone makers from using forked versions of Android (so the Android Runtime on BB10 could still work?)
Could BlackBerry keep working on the Android Runtime in BB10, and preinstall the PlayStore, if this is the case?07-18-18 09:00 AMLike 0 - OEMs will be free to offer forked versions of Android to sell beside official versions... but that doesn't mean that Google has to support those fork versions. If fact they have made it harder for forked versions to work with newer Android and Google Play - is there a mobile version of the runtime above 5.0?. That part is pretty much a moot point now.
Sorry it's not a matter of BlackBerry continuing working on BB10 and the Runtime.... most those people left years ago. They'd have to be willing to start over and rebuild the BB10 development teams. And they still would not be allowed to put Googles proprietary app store on BB10.07-18-18 09:08 AMLike 0 -
- Disagree with that...I think it was a pretty good integration into BB10.PantherBlitz and gruv4u like this.07-18-18 09:35 AMLike 2
- I should clarify that I had a Q10. The Android apps were laggy and froze often. Also, the auto-reformat for the square screen sometimes did not work correctly, and certain buttons and/or controls were hidden or unresponsive. Plus, I had massive battery drain. I will say that the Passport seemed to handle them the best from what I have read in these forums.skinnymike1 likes this.07-18-18 10:44 AMLike 1
- I should clarify that I had a Q10. The Android apps were laggy and froze often. Also, the auto-reformat for the square screen sometimes did not work correctly, and certain buttons and/or controls were hidden or unresponsive. Plus, I had massive battery drain. I will say that the Passport seemed to handle them the best from what I have read in these forums.
But the is overhead with the runtime... I expect it's one reason BB10 was so power hungry. The Z10 had a normal sized battery compared with iOS and Android phones of that time. It's poor battery life was partly to blame on the runtime. Later BB10 phones got huge batteries to compensate... Passport and KEYone have almost the same size battery.07-18-18 10:56 AMLike 0 - I should clarify that I had a Q10. The Android apps were laggy and froze often. Also, the auto-reformat for the square screen sometimes did not work correctly, and certain buttons and/or controls were hidden or unresponsive. Plus, I had massive battery drain. I will say that the Passport seemed to handle them the best from what I have read in these forums.
Posted via CB1007-18-18 10:57 AMLike 0 - https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/1...fine-antitrust
Google has been slapped with a 4 billion euro fine by the EU for their antitrust restrictions, meaning that:
- Google will need to stop forcing manufacturers to preinstall Chrome and Google search in order to offer the Google Play Store on handsets
- Google will also need to stop preventing phone makers from using forked versions of Android (so the Android Runtime on BB10 could still work?)
Could BlackBerry keep working on the Android Runtime in BB10, and preinstall the PlayStore, if this is the case?
Of course, even if they wanted to, and even if they could, no one is left there that cares - and no customers would pony up the billions it would cost to start it all up again.glwerry and Thud Hardsmack like this.07-18-18 11:06 AMLike 2 -
Posted via CB1007-18-18 12:32 PMLike 0 -
I estimate $2 billion and 2 years before there is anything to show for it.
The entire OS has to be rebuilt for modern hardware.07-18-18 12:36 PMLike 0 -
BB10 is NOT coming back, BB has gotten rid of EVERYONE who worked on it.
When you say "the biggest part of the thing exists", that's mis-leading. I have spent more than 35 years doing software maintenance - picking up other people's code and working on it.
I can say from long and bitter experience that it is extremely difficult to jump into someone else's code and become familiar with it and start being productive with it.
The code being there is NOT that much of an advantage. What would be more critical is to have PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH THE CODE. That's where your advantage would be.
Unfortunately, those people are scattered to the wind.07-18-18 01:13 PMLike 3 -
So, yes, it would have to start nearly from scratch.
Besides, BlackBerry is done with it. No amount of money would give them a reason to bother now. It was a money pit at the beginning and would be even more of one now.
You can dream, but no sense in hoping for it to become a reality.glwerry likes this.07-18-18 01:18 PMLike 1 - Plus with all the new APIs and security features of recent versions of Android, the notion of it being able to exist within a little VM bubble inside an archaic OS is exceedingly far-fetched.07-18-18 01:21 PMLike 0
- If BlackBerry want update the Android Runtime... they could have done it with 4.4 (2013) or 5.0 (2014) a both were release while BlackBerry was actively developing for BB10 (before they were just supporting it).
They didn't because it was going to cost them too much to rework BB10 to support those new APIs back then.
But as I said... this ruling changes nothing. Well it would indicated that BlackBerry is free to use a forked version of Android along with an Official version, so there is that. But BB10 wouldn't get an official Google Play Store, it would still be stuck without apps.
In a way I think it's a dumb ruling... it's mostly about forcing Google to de-Google their phones. Pull out services like Search and Chrome. Maybe next they have to pull out Gmail and GMaps. What about Apple and Safari, Facetime, iMessage, Apple Maps?07-18-18 01:52 PMLike 0 -
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So they were pretty far behind actual android development to begin with.
By March of 2015, with the tease of the slider at that year's MWC, BlackBerry was obviously already dealing with Google, but couldn't say anything, which is why the device that became the Priv was shown with a backlit stuck-on BB10 screen.07-18-18 05:34 PMLike 0 -
- https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/1...fine-antitrust
Google has been slapped with a 4 billion euro fine by the EU for their antitrust restrictions, meaning that:
- Google will need to stop forcing manufacturers to preinstall Chrome and Google search in order to offer the Google Play Store on handsets
- Google will also need to stop preventing phone makers from using forked versions of Android (so the Android Runtime on BB10 could still work?)
Could BlackBerry keep working on the Android Runtime in BB10, and preinstall the PlayStore, if this is the case?pdr733 likes this.07-18-18 08:44 PMLike 1 - Well,
- QNX already has a 64-bit Neutrino working on Qualcomm's hardware.
- QNX says ease of supporting new hardware is a feature of Neutrino.
- 64-bit Neutrino can run 32-bit code. Which means existing 32-bit UI and apps can be made to work on 64-bit Neutrino.
- Boot strapping a platform costs more than maintenance and new development.
- Hardware exists that supports Hardware Root of trust so that no inventory needs be invested in to support BB10. An autoloader to use on a BB partner device (e.g. Motion running Android) is a no inventory solution.
- All the above puts Conites numbers into question.
So, ultimately confrontation with co4nd's 800 pound gorilla is the bottom line.07-18-18 09:07 PMLike 0 - QNX already has a 64-bit Neutrino working on Qualcomm's hardware.
- Well,
- QNX already has a 64-bit Neutrino working on Qualcomm's hardware.
- QNX says ease of supporting new hardware is a feature of Neutrino.
- 64-bit Neutrino can run 32-bit code. Which means existing 32-bit UI and apps can be made to work on 64-bit Neutrino.
- Boot strapping a platform costs more than maintenance and new development.
- Hardware exists that supports Hardware Root of trust so that no inventory needs be invested in to support BB10. An autoloader to use on a BB partner device (e.g. Motion running Android) is a no inventory solution.
- All the above puts Conites numbers into question.
So, ultimately confrontation with co4nd's 800 pound gorilla is the bottom line.07-18-18 09:24 PMLike 0 - QNX already has a 64-bit Neutrino working on Qualcomm's hardware.
- Well,
- QNX already has a 64-bit Neutrino working on Qualcomm's hardware.
- QNX says ease of supporting new hardware is a feature of Neutrino.
- 64-bit Neutrino can run 32-bit code. Which means existing 32-bit UI and apps can be made to work on 64-bit Neutrino.
- Boot strapping a platform costs more than maintenance and new development.
- Hardware exists that supports Hardware Root of trust so that no inventory needs be invested in to support BB10. An autoloader to use on a BB partner device (e.g. Motion running Android) is a no inventory solution.
- All the above puts Conites numbers into question.
So, ultimately confrontation with co4nd's 800 pound gorilla is the bottom line.07-18-18 09:25 PMLike 0 - QNX already has a 64-bit Neutrino working on Qualcomm's hardware.
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