1. Al3xander M's Avatar
    Can't seem to disable this gimmick, folks! It keeps turning back on after each reboot, even though I've disabled it in the web interface. How do I go about it?
    04-25-21 03:19 PM
  2. conite's Avatar
    Can't seem to disable this gimmick, folks! It keeps turning back on after each reboot, even though I've disabled it in the web interface. How do I go about it?
    It's not a gimmick - it was a critically vital feature of BB10.

    But now, it's a problem since the infrastructure is shutting down at the end of the year.

    Turn it off on the device first. Confirm the setting sticks.

    Then remove your device from Blackberry Protect online.
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    04-25-21 03:26 PM
  3. Al3xander M's Avatar
    Well, it keeps turning back on. That's why I called it a gimmick - it's either buggy or otherwise doesn't work well. It even turns on with no devices registered in the Protect web interface.
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    04-26-21 02:34 AM
  4. BB-nomade's Avatar
    Well, it keeps turning back on. That's why I called it a gimmick - it's either buggy or otherwise doesn't work well. It even turns on with no devices registered in the Protect web interface.
    Yes Protect turning on automatically after each reboot of the device by default "as a security feature in OS10.3.xx", but if you turn this feature off and delete the Protect account it will stay Off as long the device is up, in case you want to reboot!
    Turn the device into "flight mode" before turning it off or doing a reboot.

    Once the device is rebooted that "flight mode" is still active and allows you to manually turn the Protect feature off again before any connection to the Protect server can be made, that way no new protect ID account is created automatically.

    I'm running several devices in that way for a year now without problems and no new Protect ID is opened up ever since again, just "flight mode" reboot, turn Protect off, and you are able to switch the device back online, works a treat..

     Classic  Passport  OS10.3.3.3216
    04-26-21 05:28 AM
  5. Al3xander M's Avatar
    Now how silly is that?! What if the battery runs out? No wonder BlackBerry went nowhere if they couldn't even get a button right. Guess I'll have to wipe the device at the end of the year and try and request the .bar files from the developers and side-load the apps afterwards. Boo.
    04-26-21 05:46 AM
  6. Al3xander M's Avatar
    LOL: After turning BlackBerry Protect off and restarting the BlackBerry 10 smartphone, BlackBerry Protect still remains on

    BlackBerry really couldn't get things done. And their 'support' webpage isn't even HTTPS. I don't think my phone is running the latest software, though. How do I update it without wiping?
    Last edited by Al3xander M; 04-26-21 at 06:12 AM.
    04-26-21 05:52 AM
  7. conite's Avatar
    LOL: After turning BlackBerry Protect off and restarting the BlackBerry 10 smartphone, BlackBerry Protect still remains on

    BlackBerry really couldn't get things done. And their 'support' webpage isn't even HTTPS. I don't think my phone is running the latest software, though. How do I update it without wiping?
    BB10 is circa 2013/14. Security standards were different then.

    In any event, if everything you have is synced to the cloud, then installing an autoloader that wipes your device is academic. If not, use Ultimate Backup.
    04-26-21 07:21 AM
  8. Al3xander M's Avatar
    Wait, so I cannot even update this thing without wiping it first? Should I even bother then? Running 10.3.3.2137 currently.
    Last edited by Al3xander M; 04-26-21 at 10:34 AM.
    04-26-21 10:20 AM
  9. conite's Avatar
    Wait, so I cannot even update this thing without wiping it first? They really got it all wrong if so...

    Should I even bother then? Running 10.3.3.2137 currently.
    If your carrier chose not to provide an OTA update, then you have to do it manually. At least you have that option.

    But you ARE already on the latest OS, so this is not an issue for you.
    04-26-21 10:28 AM
  10. Al3xander M's Avatar
    Hmm... I thought 10.3.3.3216 was the latest version?
    04-26-21 11:25 AM
  11. conite's Avatar
    Hmm... I thought 10.3.3.3216 was the latest version?
    Same thing.

    OS 10.3.3.3216 is part of SR 10.3.3.2137 (software release = OS + radio).
    04-26-21 12:02 PM
  12. SteinwayTransitCorp's Avatar
    Now how silly is that?! What if the battery runs out? No wonder BlackBerry went nowhere if they couldn't even get a button right. Guess I'll have to wipe the device at the end of the year and try and request the .bar files from the developers and side-load the apps afterwards. Boo.
    Your complaining about a device that is well out of date and the OS is many years from its last update.....LOL
    04-26-21 06:08 PM
  13. Al3xander M's Avatar
    I do so mainly due to its forced obsolescence. In contrast, Symbian - and virtually any other retro smartphones, which have been literally obsolete for ages now, will work as long as 2G / 3G coverage is available, and are not tethered to any servers.
    04-26-21 11:32 PM
  14. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    I do so mainly due to its forced obsolescence. In contrast, Symbian - and virtually any other retro smartphones, which have been literally obsolete for ages now, will work as long as 2G / 3G coverage is available, and are not tethered to any servers.
    But Symbian was never designed based on feedback from corporate and government IT security people.

    Most of the pros and cons of BB10 relate to BlackBerry's DNA as an enterprise/government oriented OEM. When BB10 was being designed, the number one goal was to out compete Apple on security and administration features in large, managed networks with a phone that users would accept. The Z10 was specifically targeted at the iPhone 4 for that reason.

    Obviously, it didn't work. BlackBerry was too late, and Apple was too well established, with Samsung Knox waiting in the wings to offer a viable Android solution for BlackBerry's targeted market segments.

    But the behavior of BlackBerry Protect is very much as designed, and was definitely a feature, not a bug.

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    04-27-21 12:40 AM
  15. mikael11's Avatar
    I do so mainly due to its forced obsolescence. In contrast, Symbian - and virtually any other retro smartphones, which have been literally obsolete for ages now, will work as long as 2G / 3G coverage is available, and are not tethered to any servers.
    And so will BB10 devices if you log out from BBID before the shutdown of services. However, if you live in e.g. the US neither a symbian device nor a blackberry 10 device will probably work to phone and use sms with soon, when everything relies on VoLTE.

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    04-27-21 12:48 AM
  16. Al3xander M's Avatar
    @mikael11 Sure, but what about the apps? On Symbian, I just look one up on Google, download it from a repository - of which there still are many - and instal it. It's that simple. On BB10 OS, not only can I not sign out without wiping the device - most apps aren't available outside BBW either. Moreover, rumour has it BlackBerries won't even activate anymore once the servers shut down.

    P.S. I live on the other side of the Pond :P
    04-27-21 01:34 AM
  17. Al3xander M's Avatar
    But Symbian was never designed based on feedback from corporate and government IT security people.
    A feature the user cannot control? Nah, not really.

    I actually believe BlackBerry weren't as late as they were misguided. Most 'corporate and government IT security people' had no idea what they really wanted - or needed, for that matter. They just never saw the bigger picture. That's why (Steve) Jobs rarely, if ever, relied on any kind of feedback from his prospective customers. BB10 phones still have a handful of features no one else gets right, but the platform was always crippled by its corporate targeting.
    04-27-21 01:52 AM
  18. BB-nomade's Avatar
    Another BlackBerry bashing thread... issue is closed!

     Classic  Passport  OS10.3.3.3216
    04-27-21 03:01 AM
  19. mikael11's Avatar
    @mikael11 Sure, but what about the apps? On Symbian, I just look one up on Google, download it from a repository - of which there still are many - and instal it. It's that simple. On BB10 OS, not only can I not sign out without wiping the device - most apps aren't available outside BBW either. Moreover, rumour has it BlackBerries won't even activate anymore once the servers shut down.

    P.S. I live on the other side of the Pond :P
    With all respect (well maybe not all ) the apps and functionality of Symbian today is quite restricted. There are a bunch of apps, most very old and dysfunctional (especially if they are reliant of internet or internet/web services). For some years ago there were even one or three new or updated ones. Yes, there are private updates of some versions of Symbian belle, but in all that doesn't change much any longer. I hanged on with my 808 pure view quite long, in the end it was mostly painful.
    04-27-21 03:36 AM
  20. Al3xander M's Avatar
    I see - I mostly meant 'offline' apps. Don't carry much 'online' around besides email / maps. Computers do it all better ;-)
    04-27-21 03:43 AM
  21. mikael11's Avatar
    I see - I mostly meant 'offline' apps. Don't carry much 'online' around besides email / maps. Computers do it all better ;-)
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    04-27-21 04:19 AM
  22. Kamika007z's Avatar
    I love how clean my z30 BBX OS runs and how it properly displays all my email accounts and their respective sub folders all in a single pane of glass.

    The Android version is a hot buggy mess which fails more often I can accept; forcing users to delete and re-add everything back into the Hub app due to some kind of corruption or failure.

    The iPhone is garbage and haven't found an app that would do what the Hub actually does as BBX does so damn well (single pane of glass that shows all accounts and all sub folders). Unlike the iPhone, It also does proper HTML formatting and not strip it out when replying back to a user. Or be able to attach an image and NOT embed it. Just so many things from a business perspective that the iPhone can't get right.

    It also has a damn delete key and not just a friggin' backspace!! I can basically use this thing with one hand versus the iPhone which forces your complete undivided attention. I love how Blackberry kept their single hand functionality DNA onto their BB10 OS, back to when they had the jog dial on the side.

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    04-27-21 04:32 AM
  23. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    I love how clean my z30 BBX OS runs and how it properly displays all my email accounts and their respective sub folders all in a single pane of glass.

    The Android version is a hot buggy mess which fails more often I can accept; forcing users to delete and re-add everything back into the Hub app due to some kind of corruption or failure.

    The iPhone is garbage and haven't found an app that would do what the Hub actually does as BBX does so damn well (single pane of glass that shows all accounts and all sub folders). Unlike the iPhone, It also does proper HTML formatting and not strip it out when replying back to a user. Or be able to attach an image and NOT embed it. Just so many things from a business perspective that the iPhone can't get right.

    It also has a damn delete key and not just a friggin' backspace!! I can basically use this thing with one hand versus the iPhone which forces your complete undivided attention. I love how Blackberry kept their single hand functionality DNA onto their BB10 OS, back to when they had the jog dial on the side.

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    No doubt that BlackBerry's business focus resulted in a very great email experience... to bad that wasn't enough.
    04-27-21 09:19 AM
  24. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    A feature the user cannot control? Nah, not really.

    I actually believe BlackBerry weren't as late as they were misguided. Most 'corporate and government IT security people' had no idea what they really wanted - or needed, for that matter. They just never saw the bigger picture. That's why (Steve) Jobs rarely, if ever, relied on any kind of feedback from his prospective customers. BB10 phones still have a handful of features no one else gets right, but the platform was always crippled by its corporate targeting.
    When companies issued BlackBerry devices to employees, they were happy that an employee couldn't reset the device and use it as a personal device.

    It was a very intentional feature.

    But I agree that Steve Jobs understood the public's desire for personal smart phones, and BlackBerry didn't.

    Remember, Apple had always been a consumer electronics company. BlackBerry was an Enterprise 2-way paging specialist. They just accidentally found a huge consumer opportunity with email on a phone. But they never really understood the value of consumer use cases. So there was zero chance they could have done what Apple did.

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    04-27-21 12:33 PM

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