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  1. app_Developer's Avatar

    What's was Chen Strategy on device business? Did he had any strategy?
    His strategy was to stop the bleeding, burn down the purchase commitments with minimal additional losses, and buy enough time to get the software side of the business rounded out.

    That was the strategy.

    They've said that they would like to find a partner who could continue to issue BB10 phones, but so far none have signed up. It turns out most companies care more about shareholder value (and managing risk) than they do about an OS.
    02-01-17 05:43 AM
  2. ohaiguise's Avatar
    they telling the public other things.. just released 10.3.3
    just tell us you're out and going to focus on bigger and better things... heck, they even stopped reporting their phone sales, it must be that bad.. pull out completely, and let me make some money on those shares! #BBRY

    You're aware that when you invest you can lose money too? It's not a risk-free business.

    I always enjoy seeing greedy people lose money on betting. It's just a shame when the gamblers bring down the real economy with them.
    02-01-17 05:47 AM
  3. Emaderton3's Avatar
    You're aware that when you invest you can lose money too? It's not a risk-free business.

    I always enjoy seeing greedy people lose money on betting. It's just a shame when the gamblers bring down the real economy with them.
    Eventually the gambler has to walk away from the table to gamble another day.

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    02-01-17 06:00 AM
  4. wingnut666's Avatar
    as mentioned ad nauseum already, what the trum/er, chen supporters keep glossing over is the fact that blackberry, the world's premier smartphone maker, had come up with the world's most effective and impressive smartphone and neglected to tell anyone. all chen had to do was spend some of that billion-dollar bank account saying BLACKBERRY'S BACK, BABY! and showing the passport (& Z30?) trouncing every other phone on the market at everything a phone could do at the time. people wont buy something if they dont know exists.

    life would have been better for all of us. imagine if qnx ramped up instead of ramping down over the last 2 years. I bet google would have offered up some newer runtimes too. not that i'm particularly bothered by the current setup. after 2 years of stagnant development, everything I need still works well. my phone still gets attention from people who've never seen one before....they ask the silliest questions!


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    02-01-17 09:43 AM
  5. kvndoom's Avatar
    as mentioned ad nauseum already, what the trum/er, chen supporters keep glossing over is the fact that blackberry, the world's premier smartphone maker, had come up with the world's most effective and impressive smartphone and neglected to tell anyone. all chen had to do was spend some of that billion-dollar bank account saying BLACKBERRY'S BACK, BABY! and showing the passport (& Z30?) trouncing every other phone on the market at everything a phone could do at the time. people wont buy something if they dont know exists.

    life would have been better for all of us. imagine if qnx ramped up instead of ramping down over the last 2 years. I bet google would have offered up some newer runtimes too. not that i'm particularly bothered by the current setup. after 2 years of stagnant development, everything I need still works well. my phone still gets attention from people who've never seen one before....they ask the silliest questions!


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    My sarcasm meter may need readjusting. This is sarcasm right?
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    02-01-17 10:17 AM
  6. conite's Avatar
    all chen had to do was spend some of that billion-dollar bank account saying BLACKBERRY'S BACK, BABY! and showing the passport (& Z30?) trouncing every other phone on the market at everything a phone could do at the time
    Posted via CBX
    Again, you haven't got the chronology right.

    The BlackBerry Board and Fairfax ALREADY came to the conclusion that BB10 was a failure and that the company had to switch from hardware to software (after an unsuccessful attempt to sell). They SUBSEQUENTLY hired Chen, a software turnaround specialist, to accomplish this.

    Minimal lip service and resources were dedicated to hardware while they worked through their parts inventory and contractual commitments, and to keep their foot in the enterprise space while the transition was completed.
    Last edited by conite; 02-01-17 at 10:54 AM.
    02-01-17 10:34 AM
  7. thurask's Avatar
    My sarcasm meter may need readjusting. This is sarcasm right?
    I hope it is.
    02-01-17 10:45 AM
  8. Bbnivende's Avatar
    Again, you haven't got the chronology right.

    The BlackBerry Board and Fairfax ALREADY came to the conclusion that BB10 was a failure and that the company had to switch from hardware to software (after an unsuccessful attempt to sell). They SUBSEQUENTLY hired Chen, a software turnaround specialist, to accomplish this.

    Minimal lip service and resources were dedicated to hardware while they worked through their parts inventory and contractual commitments, and to keep their foot in the enterprise space while the transition was completed.
    Minimal lip service is pretty much like lying but Chen warned us all along but we did not want to hear. The problem now is how can we trust that BlackBerry will keep on with their Android skin and will their be improvements to the skin. Will their current DTEK models get OS upgrades?

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    02-01-17 12:02 PM
  9. conite's Avatar
    Minimal lip service is pretty much like lying but Chen warned us all along but we did not want to hear. The problem now is how can we trust that BlackBerry will keep on with their Android skin and will their be improvements to the skin. Will their current DTEK models get OS upgrades?

    Posted via CB10
    Now your trust has to lie with TCL. BlackBerry is out of the picture as far as the individual customer is concerned (apart from a small inventory of their 3 BlackBerry Android devices released already - which I'm sure they have already written off).
    02-01-17 12:21 PM
  10. markmall's Avatar
    Again, you haven't got the chronology right.

    The BlackBerry Board and Fairfax ALREADY came to the conclusion that BB10 was a failure and that the company had to switch from hardware to software (after an unsuccessful attempt to sell). They SUBSEQUENTLY hired Chen, a software turnaround specialist, to accomplish this.

    Minimal lip service and resources were dedicated to hardware while they worked through their parts inventory and contractual commitments, and to keep their foot in the enterprise space while the transition was completed.
    Why don't you just start calling this the "I meant to do that" theory?

    I think you should disclose that this notion of a "parts inventory" and "contractual commitments" that lasted two or so years is your pure speculation and nothing else.

    Chen backers need to stop stating speculation as fact.

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    02-01-17 01:34 PM
  11. markmall's Avatar
    Lol the bickering still continues even though OP already moved on 3 weeks and 17 pages ago.
    Fun times.
    When people disagree that Chen is saving Blackberry by losing money and having no business plan, they are "bickering."

    Only one opinion is allowed on the BB10 boards. Chen didn't fail with bb10 devices. He merely glided to a safe and orderly landing so he could execute his glorious software business.

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    02-01-17 01:37 PM
  12. conite's Avatar

    Only one opinion is allowed on the BB10 boards. Chen didn't fail with bb10 devices. He merely glided to a safe and orderly landing so he could execute his glorious software business.

    Posted via CB10
    Of course you're entitled to your opinion. But whether or not you believe it doesn't change the fact that it's true.

    DTEK60 / Z30
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    02-01-17 01:48 PM
  13. Bbnivende's Avatar
    Now your trust has to lie with TCL. BlackBerry is out of the picture as far as the individual customer is concerned (apart from a small inventory of their 3 BlackBerry Android devices released already - which I'm sure they have already written off).
    I am just talking about the BlackBerry software on TCL phones. Are you saying that BlackBerry skin will be TCL'S responsibility?
    02-01-17 02:32 PM
  14. conite's Avatar
    I am just talking about the BlackBerry software on TCL phones. Are you saying that BlackBerry skin will be TCL'S responsibility?
    Manufacturing and selling them is TCL's responsibility, as is their contract with BlackBerry for the software.

    I'm sure BlackBerry will fulfill their contractual obligations to them.
    02-01-17 02:41 PM
  15. markmall's Avatar
    Manufacturing and selling them is TCL's responsibility, as is their contract with BlackBerry for the software.

    I'm sure BlackBerry will fulfill their contractual obligations to them.
    If BB Android flops it won't be because Chen's strategy and execution failed. It will be because he was "fulfilling their contractual obligations" until the next big thing.
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    02-01-17 03:51 PM
  16. conite's Avatar
    If BB Android flops it won't be because Chen's strategy and execution failed. It will be because he was "fulfilling their contractual obligations" until the next big thing.
    BlackBerry Android is no longer being executed by Chen or BlackBerry.

    They simply provide the software to their licencees for whatever period of time they agreed to.
    02-01-17 04:20 PM
  17. Bbnivende's Avatar
    If BB Android flops it won't be because Chen's strategy and execution failed. It will be because he was "fulfilling their contractual obligations" until the next big thing.
    Could you please expand on your post. I am not sure why contracting out their apps , skin and perhaps their security is not part of Chen's strategy and execution.
    02-01-17 04:21 PM
  18. markmall's Avatar
    I am poking fun at the theory that Chen never tried to succeed with BB10 and failed on purpose.

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    02-01-17 05:45 PM
  19. conite's Avatar
    I am poking fun at the theory that Chen never tried to succeed with BB10 and failed on purpose.

    Posted via CB10
    He didn't fail. He wound down devices as planned.
    02-01-17 05:47 PM
  20. tre10's Avatar
    Maybe it was mismanaged before Chen, but this does not excuse Chen's gross mismanagement.

    Posted via CB10
    Right. So spending upwards of 20 million dollars more with no guarantee of success would have been a better choice?
    02-01-17 05:47 PM
  21. markmall's Avatar
    Right. So spending upwards of 20 million dollars more with no guarantee of success would have been a better choice?
    There is no guarantee of success in anything. Was the Priv a guaranteed success? Or did it lose more money than the last BB10 release with substantially more marketing support?

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    02-01-17 05:57 PM
  22. tre10's Avatar
    There is no guarantee of success in anything. Was the Priv a guaranteed success? Or did it lose more money than the last BB10 release with substantially more marketing support?

    Posted via CB10
    I don't think the priv was the end game. It was cheaper to build an android phone, there was a slim chance it would succeed and if it flopped they would have something someone might want to license. It was the bait on the hook to draw people to their android offering. Something cheaper would have been wise for that purpose. Chen miscalculated there. They convinced enough people including TCL that is worth spending money on. They couldn't even convince themselves to spend more money on BB10.
    02-01-17 06:03 PM
  23. markmall's Avatar
    I don't think the priv was the end game. It was cheaper to build an android phone, there was a slim chance it would succeed and if it flopped they would have something someone might want to license. It was the bait on the hook to draw people to their android offering. Something cheaper would have been wise for that purpose. Chen miscalculated there. They convinced enough people including TCL that is worth spending money on. They couldn't even convince themselves to spend more money on BB10.
    The Priv was cheaper? How so? Are you sure you're not just guessing?

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    02-01-17 06:12 PM
  24. app_Developer's Avatar
    When people disagree that Chen is saving Blackberry by losing money and having no business plan, they are "bickering."

    Only one opinion is allowed on the BB10 boards. Chen didn't fail with bb10 devices. He merely glided to a safe and orderly landing so he could execute his glorious software business.
    How much money did BB lose last quarter? Or the quarter before that? How much do you think they will lose this Q?
    02-01-17 06:34 PM
  25. tre10's Avatar
    The Priv was cheaper? How so? Are you sure you're not just guessing?

    Posted via CB10
    Yes I am guessing. However, to release the priv with BB10 they would have pay Qualcomm for drivers for the 808 chip. A cost BlackBerry already said was prohibitive. Going android completely eliminated that cost. It also eliminated the cost of the BB10 development.
    They just loaded the OS and added their apps and made sure it was all stable and that the keyboard worked.

    So to recap :

    BB10: A full Dev team for the OS. Drivers for the SOC. Full developer support tools and apis along with seminars possibly. Advertising. Distribution channels for the devices.

    Android : Development of a few apps and advertising and the distribution channels.

    Which do you think is cheaper?

    NB : I probably left out some stuff things but I think I'm close. This is all speculation though.
    02-01-17 06:48 PM
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