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  1. EFats's Avatar
    But Android was an open-source project, as is Linux.

    How would it had benefitted QNX (pre, or post BlackBerry) to give itself up for free?

    Even prior to the acquisition, they had 250 employees, revenues of $30-50 million, and a valuation (based on the purchase price) of $200 million.
    Not asking them to give it away. Plenty of software in this class offers 'developer' editions, where you are free to try it, play with it, develop with. You only pay when the product goes to production.
    DonHB likes this.
    11-10-20 10:46 PM
  2. conite's Avatar
    Not asking them to give it away. Plenty of software in this class offers 'developer' editions, where you are free to try it, play with it, develop with. You only pay when the product goes to production.
    There is a free 30 day trial. If a developer sees it going anywhere, they can pick up a single license.

    You can also obtain a free non-commercial license for an education environment.
    11-10-20 10:55 PM
  3. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    There is a free 30 day trial. If a developer sees it going anywhere, they can pick up a single license.

    You can also obtain a free non-commercial license for an education environment.
    I wonder just how many "developers" go out and build their own commercial products (that aren't just apps running on another OS)? 1 in 1,000, maybe 1 in 1,000,000? And of those, the number that are fortunate enough to have a successful product?

    Too be honest there is a lot more to worry about then what OS it might be utilizing.

    While it does seem like leaving QNX's licensing the way it was.... would have been better for QNX. I understand why BlackBerry changed it, and why it's not worth changing it back now that their dreams of a mobile platform died.

    It's like wishing Apple would throw in a free pair of Air Pods and an Apple Watch with each new iPhone..... I'm sure they'd sell way more phones.
    11-11-20 08:20 AM
  4. passportowner's Avatar
    Somebody uploaded to the Internet the QNX kernel sources from 2007 (I think it is the minimal system sources without gui or userland, not just the kernel).

    While it is probably too old to be useful for us, it could be still useful if somebody interested in the inner workings of BB phones.

    This is NOT the source code of BB10. No, you can't install it on your phone, yes, maybe it can help to root BB10, but I think http://bits-please.blogspot.com/2015...m8974.html?m=1 is more viable for that.
    11-14-20 02:18 AM
  5. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Somebody uploaded to the Internet the QNX kernel sources from 2007 (I think it is the minimal system sources without gui or userland, not just the kernel).

    While it is probably too old to be useful for us, it could be still useful if somebody interested in the inner workings of BB phones.

    This is NOT the source code of BB10. No, you can't install it on your phone, yes, maybe it can help to root BB10, but I think Bits, Please!: Full TrustZone exploit for MSM8974 is more viable for that.
    So this was from when it was open source?
    11-14-20 12:51 PM
  6. m3mb3rsh1p's Avatar
    Somebody uploaded to the Internet the QNX kernel sources from 2007
    ...
    It could be still useful if somebody interested in the inner workings of BB phones.
    The best way to learn QNX and by extension, the inner workings of BlackBerry phones, is to write software for BB10. All the system interfaces are present in the SDK. Outside of kernel code (which is a bit too advanced and unnecessary for the needs of updating BB10 userland) you can do almost anything on QNX-related BB10.
    11-14-20 05:33 PM
  7. passportowner's Avatar
    Yes, it seems it is. Just the. Code from Foundry, which is unavailable anymore. So it could be free to distribute.
    11-14-20 07:23 PM
  8. DonHB's Avatar
    There is a free 30 day trial. If a developer sees it going anywhere, they can pick up a single license.

    You can also obtain a free non-commercial license for an education environment.
    What can you accomplish in 30 days. What OSS projects can be ported in 30 days? Also, the non commercial license prohibits developers to work on products that will be released as a commercial product.

    What Efat may be suggesting is that BlackBerry should provide a developer's license which would allow developers to produce a commercial product, but before releasing it have to purchase a commercial license. This would allow small ISV to prototype a commercial product and choose whether to continue development on QNX. Partnering with customers for essentially zero cost (because of zero technical support beyond online documentation and access to forums). Alternatively, this could be offered only to developers with revenues below $1 million. This is the level of revenue that Apple decided to allow for a 50% reduction in licensing fees.
    11-20-20 10:00 PM
  9. conite's Avatar
    What can you accomplish in 30 days. What OSS projects can be ported in 30 days? Also, the non commercial license prohibits developers to work on products that will be released as a commercial product.

    What Efat may be suggesting is that BlackBerry should provide a developer's license which would allow developers to produce a commercial product, but before releasing it have to purchase a commercial license. This would allow small ISV to prototype a commercial product and choose whether to continue development on QNX. Partnering with customers for essentially zero cost (because of zero technical support beyond online documentation and access to forums). Alternatively, this could be offered only to developers with revenues below $1 million. This is the level of revenue that Apple decided to allow for a 50% reduction in licensing fees.
    Around and around we go.

    At the end of the day, BlackBerry isn't interested. The end.
    11-20-20 10:08 PM
  10. Rootbrian's Avatar
    What can you accomplish in 30 days. What OSS projects can be ported in 30 days? Also, the non commercial license prohibits developers to work on products that will be released as a commercial product.

    What Efat may be suggesting is that BlackBerry should provide a developer's license which would allow developers to produce a commercial product, but before releasing it have to purchase a commercial license. This would allow small ISV to prototype a commercial product and choose whether to continue development on QNX. Partnering with customers for essentially zero cost (because of zero technical support beyond online documentation and access to forums). Alternatively, this could be offered only to developers with revenues below $1 million. This is the level of revenue that Apple decided to allow for a 50% reduction in licensing fees.
    The community edition of QNX, which is behind the RTOS release used everywhere and in critical everything, can be used exactly for such purposes. They give a license out that's FREE. You just choose what to do with it.

    Alas, you could use gnu/linux to develop software for QNX pretty easily if you already know the common programming languages that are built-in or included.

    Disclosure: I am not a coder or programmer. I cannot comprehend such things. It's alien to me. But I use Linux mint full-time on all machines.

    From my BlackBerry Key2 LE on Freedom Mobile LTE or 3G HSPA+
    11-20-20 10:23 PM
  11. m3ach's Avatar
    I just love these circular arguments, especially when we all know BlackBerry just isn’t interested in any of this or indeed looking at these forums for new business ideas. (Especially in hijacked threads).
    11-21-20 07:44 AM
  12. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    I just love these circular arguments, especially when we all know BlackBerry just isn’t interested in any of this or indeed looking at these forums for new business ideas. (Especially in hijacked threads).
    Just give me the $10 million USD and the plane to Cuba and I'll release thread unharmed...

    (In some Burn Notice TV episode in original Chuck Finley character voice, whose persona, I hijacked, coincidentally, for CrackBerry use, years ago.)
    11-21-20 09:37 AM
  13. m3ach's Avatar
    Just give me the $10 million USD and the plane to Cuba and I'll release thread unharmed...

    (In some Burn Notice TV episode in original Chuck Finley character voice, whose persona, I hijacked, coincidentally, for CrackBerry use, years ago.)
    I knew I could rely on you Chuck!!
    11-21-20 03:40 PM
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