- I never let it bother me. Always just glad it was here, and devoid of tyranny.. I understand Conite not budging on his position but I cant beleive what he has said to DonHB over the years. Hopefully taken in jest. More rules on this forum would just drive visitors such as myself away. I did not think filtering through this stuff was an issue. They have covered my nonsense with activity several times.
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11-04-20 11:29 AMLike 0 -
It is experiences like Efat's that the idea of offering a non-commercial/developers' licenses was intended to address. That developers don't want to jump through hoops to get tools yet are willing to invest time to experiment is something that BlackBerry isn't ready to leverage.11-04-20 11:45 AMLike 0 - I don't think it was made in jest and he rarely acknowledged any of the issues written by me or others that don't reaffirm his beliefs. For example he didn't responded to Efat's experience. To him it and others are non-issues.
It is experiences like Efat's that the idea of offering a non-commercial/developers' licenses was intended to address. That developers don't want to jump through hoops to get tools yet are willing to invest time to experiment is something that BlackBerry isn't ready to leverage.
But most of the things you want me to respond to are total red herrings. It's like wanting to discuss upgrading the upholstery on some chairs on the Titanic while it's sinking.
For years you have espoused your thoughts on what BlackBerry should do, and that's fine. But the fact that they have looked at these things and dismissed them should be an indicator of how realistic or profitable these musings are.
You have also consistently ignored the explanations provided by many here - including developers, business experts, and telecom specialists.
There is no point of constantly banging the same drum. The only way to move this discussion forward is to provide a true business plan, with numbers, based on some realistic, industry recognized assumptions.Last edited by conite; 11-04-20 at 12:42 PM.
Dunt Dunt Dunt and JeepBB like this.11-04-20 12:11 PMLike 2 -
- Honestly I don't see the point.
The VAST majority of POSIX apps were never designed to be used on a handheld device, and most of them are console apps. Typical smartphone users have zero interest in console apps.
QNX is also a unique beast when it comes to userland executables, a lot of common tools you'd expect from your average BSD or Linux etc are either not there or completely different. (ie various common utilities like "ps" do not exist in QNX, though some have roughly similiar QNX equivalents.)
While I'm sure there are tinkerers who might be interested in this sort of stuff, the already built-in and recently greatly improved Android runtime is a far FAR better mechanism to leverage a large existing software ecosystem to bring useful apps to BB10 than trying to port POSIX apps, in my view. (OS-X is POSIX compliant too - how many Mac users have you ever encountered that even know what POSIX is, or even know how to find the console app?)
But even there, differences in the architecture prevent many of the more interesting geeky apps from fully working, ie "fing" is crippled running under the BB10 Android runtime. (Most likely because of the app firewalling, I would guess, or just network stack differences. I haven't investigated it much beyond "Hmm, half the functionality doesn't seem to work.")
Plenty of people tinkered with BB10's QNX access back then... some used that to create some cool utilities. But that doesn't get us what would need to bring life to BB10.Omnitech likes this.11-04-20 02:57 PMLike 1 - Has anything really changed in the last seven years to void this statement from the ""Dragon Slayer".
Plenty of people tinkered with BB10's QNX access back then... some used that to create some cool utilities. But that doesn't get us what would need to bring life to BB10.
For me though, the bottom line is that BlackBerry themselves wouldn't be messing around with QNX had it not been already established and entrenched in the auto sector. They continue to build on it because it has the user base and also happens to do the job perfectly well.
They will also continue to offer it for some licensing tailings, but that's about it.
Pursuing other avenues isn't worth their time, when plenty of other tools are available out there for free that can do as good or better a job for other people's needs.
Poor Don gets bogged down by what he believes QNX can do and/or should do for others - but has never once shown how that would improve BlackBerry's bottom line.11-04-20 03:07 PMLike 0 - Essentially, your focus or more precisely avoidance of discussing issues that ultimately impact the bottom line has distracted from coming to any kind of consensus. Experiences similar to Efat's will continue to cause SMB's to move on from BlackBerry and is an example of how you trivialize or ignore real problems that people raise here. It's as though you are mimicking BlackBerry's business practices for all to see.11-05-20 12:32 PMLike 0
- Essentially, your focus or more precisely avoidance of discussing issues that ultimately impact the bottom line has distracted from coming to any kind of consensus. Experiences similar to Efat's will continue to cause SMB's to move on from BlackBerry and is an example of how you trivialize or ignore real problems that people raise here. It's as though you are mimicking BlackBerry's business practices for all to see.
That's the ONLY thing that matters to them. Everything else is noise.11-05-20 01:17 PMLike 0 - Nothing.
For me though, the bottom line is that BlackBerry themselves wouldn't be messing around with QNX had it not been already established and entrenched in the auto sector. They continue to build on it because it has the user base and also happens to do the job perfectly well.
They will also continue to offer it for some licensing tailings, but that's about it.
Pursuing other avenues isn't worth their time, when plenty of other tools are available out there for free that can do as good or better a job for other people's needs.
Poor Don gets bogged down by what he believes QNX can do and/or should do for others - but has never once shown how that would improve BlackBerry's bottom line.11-05-20 03:19 PMLike 0 -
But yes, BlackBerry sees little point in actively engaging other markets beyond simple licensing.11-05-20 03:22 PMLike 0 -
BB doesn't have the resources, time, money or employees to experiment outside current lines without immediate positive cash flow that will reduce current losses or increase minimal profits.
Your hypothetical situations belongs with a company that has Apple, Google or Microsoft type economic resources along with personal and business standing of their stakeholders.Troy Tiscareno likes this.11-05-20 03:28 PMLike 1 -
The fact that they haven't is yet another clue.11-05-20 03:30 PMLike 0 -
The fact that they haven't, is indeed another clue to it's (QNX, Cylance and BlackBerry combined security software or the brands) value.11-05-20 03:43 PMLike 0 -
At least show some respect to the OP and programmers actually trying to do something here and let then have a thread uncluttered from all your unrelated arguments.
Posted via CB1011-05-20 03:49 PMLike 2 - Here’s a thought: instead of spending years trying to argue on a forum that QNX is really compelling (outside of its place as the default legacy choice in car infotainment systems), then why doesn’t someone (looking at you @DonHB) actually write some actual software that runs better on QNX than on Linux in 2020.
Then we can look at that software and maybe begin to understand why anyone thinks QNX is relevant for new work 25 years after it was actually interesting.
The recycled marketing points from the 1990’s just isn’t convincing. I’d play with it for fun, but I wouldn’t base any actual new product on it because there is no point. So show us some real code and let’s talk about that.11-06-20 12:16 AMLike 4 - Two things I've noticed and havent been able to replicate on the other browsers that I have tried.
Composited views from intermediate history states, like before and after style changes applied on history state navigation.
One example would be a graphical widget such as modal. This component consists of a dialog box and backdrop. That animated widget is cached as state in the index of states and composited in the GPU. Every other sytem I've tried you cant use state history to navigate back and forth through composited animations like that.
With WAI-ARIA applied to the same component, enough information is provided to the screen reader to read only content within the dialog box, and makes for an Ereader like capability.
My guess it this was a safari feature maybe.. Either way this is a good example of two of the subtle nuances to BB10 that I find unique that happen to be linked by one set of attributes.
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11-06-20 11:09 AMLike 0 -
If the actual topic picks up again, I'll be happy to relinquish the discussion.11-06-20 11:24 AMLike 0 - Here’s a thought: instead of spending years trying to argue on a forum that QNX is really compelling (outside of its place as the default legacy choice in car infotainment systems), then why doesn’t someone (looking at you @DonHB) actually write some actual software that runs better on QNX than on Linux in 2020.
Then we can look at that software and maybe begin to understand why anyone thinks QNX is relevant for new work 25 years after it was actually interesting.
The recycled marketing points from the 1990’s just isn’t convincing. I’d play with it for fun, but I wouldn’t base any actual new product on it because there is no point. So show us some real code and let’s talk about that.
QNX could offer for small businesses and developers with revenues below a certain threshold the opportunity to use a non-commercial license for commercial development. Microsoft has a program that allows small ISVs to acquire tools at low cost or free including current versions of Windows. Microsoft even includes support under certain circumstances, but due to the size of QNX, I would not expect any support to be included with a free license other than on-line documentation and access to forums.11-06-20 11:51 AMLike 0 -
And put it in the developer section where these other similar threads can be found.
Sadly BB10 and QNX are product that aren't open sourced and pretty well locked down and controlled by BlackBerry... you have to play by their rules, which means there is no new life for BB10 at this point.11-06-20 12:00 PMLike 0 - Or just start a new thread with more relevant topic..... "fun things you can still do with terminal access to BB10" ?
And put it in the developer section where these other similar threads can be found.
Sadly BB10 and QNX are product that aren't open sourced and pretty well locked down and controlled by BlackBerry... you have to play by their rules, which means there is no new life for BB10 at this point.
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dilijasi likes this.11-06-20 12:51 PMLike 1 -
The document model gives developer states, roles, and propeties to describe semantic interfaces for users with cognitive learning disabilities. To me that standard still works. Bookmarklets can help, but their popularity has dimmed over the years.
What I suggested would involve extending a core primitive object to cascades. It would listen to or trigger events from one message interface to the other and provide preprocessing, initialization of instances, assertion and attribution. A backbone network behind the scenes.
On another note,
the possibility of updating or upgrading the global scope is actually possible. While you can add static methods to the DOM tree you can't bake them into the browser or the device. Well, there is a deprecated api called HTML5 applicationCache, I plan to test that one but its starting to argue with modern browsers and really shouldnt be used. I suppose someting like an API gateway is possible with the Navigators protocol handler registration.
There is an api built in called the mutation observer. I rewrote several of these tests on codepen with blackberries webkit in mind. You can find them here.
https://codepen.io/collection/AVzKxz/feed
Its useful for different things.
The Promises API
A feature of Ecma Script 6. Can as has been polyfilled for Ecma Script 5.
The Observer is abstracted with the readystate change of a script element to emulate an asynchronous priority queue.
More advanced use of techniques like these might involve setting up shared memory channel for transferable objects. Important thing to remember is that DOM is where everything comes together.
Selenium Core
Platform scripts are useable on any site. The DOM recognizes the platform protocol, and this is what you use to link sources to the DOM from there.
@ "platform://'.
Only the the DOM has access to that url, and it must be used to link those sources (unless you are running a page locally)
You can read the scripts and other files using the browser.
From file:///base/usr/share/webplatform/
Some strategies of the devices micro kernel are used by these scripts.
Execution of any code using methods from those sources has an' initiator' and 'stack trace' information. This information is viewed in the network panel of the debugging tools. Consider what happens when executing code from an origin that is natively trusted.
I see an advantage to using the blackberry as additional computing power from the websocket connection and web inspector.I also think a web document and localhost is a safer place to make a mistake with locked down abi. Have been working on an electron application and extension for deeper introspection. Though I dont find working with electron to very fun so It may never be done.
Relying on side effects, something for a hobbyist not an enterprise.
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Dunt Dunt Dunt likes this.11-06-20 09:12 PMLike 1 - Or just start a new thread with more relevant topic..... "fun things you can still do with terminal access to BB10" ?
And put it in the developer section where these other similar threads can be found.
Sadly BB10 and QNX are product that aren't open sourced and pretty well locked down and controlled by BlackBerry... you have to play by their rules, which means there is no new life for BB10 at this point.
The problem is if developers do not have the ability to economically experiment with the razors they have little incentive to build blades. Businesses aren't interested because few developers have sufficient knowledge of the platform to recommend it and the non-commercial license explicitly prevents developers to build limited versions of software which would be the basis of future products.
BlackBerry should rethink how it licenses QNX. I am not alone in criticizing QNX licensing terms, by the way.11-10-20 07:52 PMLike 0 - I am suggesting that the QNX business model is not conducive to developers choosing the platform. Red Hat essential took Gillette's business model and applied it to software. Linux is the Razor (and the razor has a great deal to do with quality and customer, and developers are customers, experience) and Red Hat's software and services are the blades. The difference is that there are business advantages to having third parties building blades and reselling the QNX razors with their proprietary blades and optionally include razor holders (hardware).
The problem is if developers do not have the ability to economically experiment with the razors they have little incentive to build blades. Businesses aren't interested because few developers have sufficient knowledge of the platform to recommend it and the non-commercial license explicitly prevents developers to build limited versions of software which would be the basis of future products.
BlackBerry should rethink how it licenses QNX. I am not alone in criticizing QNX licensing terms, by the way.11-10-20 09:11 PMLike 0
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