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  1. kvndoom's Avatar
    What you are not considering is what the Play Services situation was in 2013 when the current CEO was instated. Now it is even more interesting question since BlackBerry doesn't have to sustain handset inventory. They can let their licensees do it..
    Wake me up when someone, anyone, actually steps forward to license BB10. 5 years, 0 takers.
    01-30-18 07:32 AM
  2. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Developers didn't take TWO minutes to port their existing, unmodified, working apps to BB10! They had NO interest in a third ecosystem. They had NO interest in Microsoft, Tizen, Fire, Sailfish, etc, etc, etc, etc. Nor did consumers.
    Absolutely correct, and it's not just app developers. BlackBerry would have needed the kinds of strategic partners that Apple and Android had to differentiate themselves. Apple had the entertainment industry, from their iTunes platform, and Android had Google [everything].

    BlackBerry had BBM, BlackBerry Travel, Docs to Go, and Alicia Keys.
    01-30-18 11:09 AM
  3. Emaderton3's Avatar
    Absolutely correct, and it's not just app developers. BlackBerry would have needed the kinds of strategic partners that Apple and Android had to differentiate themselves. Apple had the entertainment industry, from their iTunes platform, and Android had Google [everything].

    BlackBerry had BBM, BlackBerry Travel, Docs to Go, and Alicia Keys.
    And Drake. And Tim Allen.
    01-30-18 11:32 AM
  4. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    And Drake. And Tim Allen.
    And me! Though I think the music business has more influence than I do.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
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    01-30-18 11:34 AM
  5. Invictus0's Avatar
    Absolutely correct, and it's not just app developers. BlackBerry would have needed the kinds of strategic partners that Apple and Android had to differentiate themselves. Apple had the entertainment industry, from their iTunes platform, and Android had Google [everything].

    BlackBerry had BBM, BlackBerry Travel, Docs to Go, and Alicia Keys.
    BB10 had actually launched with a pretty extensive ecosystem at the time, there was a music and videos services and even a native cross platform Games app (it was probably one of the biggest mobile solutions of its time). They shut almost everything down in 2014 unfortunately.
    01-30-18 02:42 PM
  6. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    BB10 had actually launched with a pretty extensive ecosystem at the time, there was a music and videos services and even a native cross platform Games app (it was probably one of the biggest mobile solutions of its time). They shut almost everything down in 2014 unfortunately.
    I was there at launch. My point is that BB's music service was not a strategic advantage like iTunes was. I don't remember anyone saying that people should dump Apple because BlackBerry's music service was so much better.

    To launch a new platform, one needs strategic partners with exclusive offerings, not just a bulleted list of equivalent features that copy the established players.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    01-30-18 03:04 PM
  7. Emaderton3's Avatar
    I was there at launch. My point is that BB's music service was not a strategic advantage like iTunes was. I don't remember anyone saying that people should dump Apple because BlackBerry's music service was so much better.

    To launch a new platform, one needs strategic partners with exclusive offerings, not just a bulleted list of equivalent features that copy the established players.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    There was also nothing unique about their offerings or how they were integrated into BlackBerry. It was basically like just buying media from anywhere and downloading it more or less wasn't it?
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    01-30-18 03:34 PM
  8. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    There was also nothing unique about their offerings or how they were integrated into BlackBerry. It was basically like just buying media from anywhere and downloading it more or less wasn't it?
    Exactly. BlackBerry launched with their main strategic differentiator as the Hub, and it still.is!

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    01-30-18 03:36 PM
  9. JSmith422's Avatar
    I was there at launch. My point is that BB's music service was not a strategic advantage like iTunes was. I don't remember anyone saying that people should dump Apple because BlackBerry's music service was so much better.

    To launch a new platform, one needs strategic partners with exclusive offerings, not just a bulleted list of equivalent features that copy the established players.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    Apple also had the advantage that people no longer needed an ipod and a cell phone and could now do both through one device, and keep the music they had already purchased for the ipod. BB10 never even got close to that.
    01-31-18 12:59 AM
  10. Bbnivende's Avatar
    I like this article because it dates back to July 2013 which was a point in time where CrackBerry was still thinking the impossible was possible.

    http://www.eweek.com/mobile/blackber...10-reasons-why
    01-31-18 01:01 AM
  11. DonHB's Avatar
    Wake me up when someone, anyone, actually steps forward to license BB10. 5 years, 0 takers.
    Not surprising, if the terms are similar to Neutrino license terms where it has never expanded beyond its core market.
    01-31-18 03:00 AM
  12. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Exactly. BlackBerry launched with their main strategic differentiator as the Hub, and it still.is!

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    And thus they failed, a differentiator is fine if you are capable of doing the overall task. In 2013 that was running apps. Email was no longer the focus of most smartphone users, which is probable the bigger issue. What many BlackBerry users wanted from a smartphone, is not what the overall smartphone market wanted.

    At this point, HUB is less of a factor.... as email and notification features on iOS and Android have improved. I do agree that HUB+ is a great App and I use it, but it's not the differentiator it was five years ago. I use the drop down notification tray most the time, and it takes me to the app that I need. I'd rather not use HUB for anything but email.
    01-31-18 08:45 AM
  13. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    And thus they failed, a differentiator is fine if you are capable of doing the overall task. In 2013 that was running apps. Email was no longer the focus of most smartphone users, which is probable the bigger issue. What many BlackBerry users wanted from a smartphone, is not what the overall smartphone market wanted.

    At this point, HUB is less of a factor.... as email and notification features on iOS and Android have improved. I do agree that HUB+ is a great App and I use it, but it's not the differentiator it was five years ago. I use the drop down notification tray most the time, and it takes me to the app that I need. I'd rather not use HUB for anything but email.
    My point was ironic. The Hub was never a sufficient strategic differentiator when compared to iTunes or Google' s services. It was simply all BlackBerry could bring to the table.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
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    01-31-18 08:51 AM
  14. DonHB's Avatar
    Developers didn't take TWO minutes to port their existing, unmodified, working apps to BB10! They had NO interest in a third ecosystem. They had NO interest in Microsoft, Tizen, Fire, Sailfish, etc, etc, etc, etc. Nor did consumers.
    Android on BB10 was never serious. I would not be interested in supporting a stop gap Android implementation that did not support the Flow UX that resulted in an impression that it could be deprecated at any time. It was at 4.3 instead of the more useful 4.4.
    01-31-18 11:33 AM
  15. conite's Avatar
    Android on BB10 was never serious. I would not be interested in supporting a stop gap Android implementation that did not support the Flow UX that could be deprecated at any time. It was at 4.3 instead of the more useful 4.4.
    In 2013. No. Kitkat did not even start to be deployed until Nov 2013, and didn't see moderate use until mid-2014.


    Netflix worked straight up - no mods.

    Instagram worked straight up - no mods.

    Candy crush worked straight up - no mods.

    Vine worked straight up - no mods.



    Etc, etc, etc.
    Last edited by conite; 01-31-18 at 11:55 AM.
    01-31-18 11:36 AM
  16. joeldf's Avatar
    When BB10 was first released, it had Gingerbread 2.3. Next up was Jellybean 4.2 in September of 2013 with the release of 10.2, and 4.3 came later.
    01-31-18 12:10 PM
  17. howarmat's Avatar
    When BB10 was first released, it had Gingerbread 2.3. Next up was Jellybean 4.2 in September of 2013 with the release of 10.2, and 4.3 came later.
    pretty sure it never was 2.3. It started with 4.1 or 4.2
    01-31-18 03:04 PM
  18. thurask's Avatar
    pretty sure it never was 2.3. It started with 4.1 or 4.2
    Nope, 4.2 came in 10.2, it was Gingerbread like the PlayBook until then.

    http://devblog.blackberry.com/2013/0...ackberry-10-2/
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    01-31-18 03:12 PM
  19. JSmith422's Avatar
    When BB10 was first released, it had Gingerbread 2.3. Next up was Jellybean 4.2 in September of 2013 with the release of 10.2, and 4.3 came later.
    Anyone else think the names for the android versions are ridiculous?
    01-31-18 09:57 PM
  20. Elephant_Canyon's Avatar
    Anyone else think the names for the android versions are ridiculous?
    Not as ridiculous as “Priv.” Or “DTEK50.” Or “KEYone.”
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    01-31-18 10:58 PM
  21. JSmith422's Avatar
    Not as ridiculous as “Priv.” Or “DTEK50.” Or “KEYone.”
    Haha, not defending the blackberry names...but at least they tried to have a marketing agenda, albeit a bad one, but they tried. Android sounds like something a six year old made up.
    02-01-18 02:04 AM
  22. joeldf's Avatar
    Anyone else think the names for the android versions are ridiculous?
    Yeah, but it's turned into a big guessing game for every new release with the next letter of the alphabet.

    That's a lot of free advertising between the time Google says the next letter version is getting started and when the name is actually announced.

    Personally, for the next one, "P", I'm partial to Pop tart.
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    02-01-18 06:54 AM
  23. Elephant_Canyon's Avatar
    Haha, not defending the blackberry names...but at least they tried to have a marketing agenda, albeit a bad one, but they tried.
    Really? Explain what the “agenda” was for the overall strategy.

    The various Android versions are named after desserts, and are in alphabetical order. There’s logic and internal consistency to it, and it makes things instantly recognizable and easy to remember. Plus, it builds buzz for the next version when the Android community starts guessing what it will be called.

    edit: ninja’d
    02-01-18 06:56 AM
  24. Doctornoc's Avatar
    At release of BB10, I expected BIS service and data plus all the other features and benefits of BBOS. I was very disappointed to see it all missing. I also expected to see an ecosystem competitive with Android. I was VERY disappointed since not many of the commercial apps being used in my profession were available like for Android/IOS. Those companies had NO interest supporting a third/fourth OS.

    What I didn't understand at BB10 rollout was the carrier pressures that were against BB. The carriers didn't support BIS type services because it took money from carrier and paid it to BB every month. It allowed for lower data consumption because of data compression. What carrier wants less revenue and/or less data consumption?

    BB had a flawed business model and was doomed for extinction when Android/IOS rolled out hardware that encouraged data consumption and increased data revenue that stayed completely with the carriers. Being a proponent for the betterment for consumers privacy, expenses and simplicity was noble but flawed.

    BB was guilty of hubris. Deciding what customers wanted for them, instead of letting customers decide what they wanted for themselves and would pay for.
    I totally agree with this statement.

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    02-01-18 08:46 AM
  25. brookie229's Avatar
    Yeah, but it's turned into a big guessing game for every new release with the next letter of the alphabet.

    That's a lot of free advertising between the time Google says the next letter version is getting started and when the name is actually announced.

    Personally, for the next one, "P", I'm partial to Pop tart.
    It's going to be Peppermint.

    Posted via CB10
    02-01-18 09:33 AM
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