- Really? Explain what the “agenda” was for the overall strategy.
The various Android versions are named after desserts, and are in alphabetical order. There’s logic and internal consistency to it, and it makes things instantly recognizable and easy to remember. Plus, it builds buzz for the next version when the Android community starts guessing what it will be called.
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If the KEYone get's an update, it'll be the first BlackBerry to achieve that in almost a decade.02-01-18 10:24 AMLike 0 -
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- They weren't even smart enough to figure out they couldn't call then new OS BBX. Coming up with a naming system for devices was asking too much. And I wonder how many Z10 owners know it's really a Zed10 for some reason.... not sure why the Q10 was just a Q10. Anyway never was a "next" to worry about anyway.
If the KEYone get's an update, it'll be the first BlackBerry to achieve that in almost a decade.
It's the same depending on where you are from. But it is simply the letter's pronunciation either way.
The letter "Q" is still pronounced "cue" either way.02-01-18 11:51 AMLike 0 -
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Posted with my trusty Z10Dunt Dunt Dunt likes this.02-01-18 12:31 PMLike 1 - In 2013. No. Kitkat did not even start to be deployed until Nov 2013, and didn't see moderate use until mid-2014.
Netflix worked straight up - no mods.
Instagram worked straight up - no mods.
Candy crush worked straight up - no mods.
Vine worked straight up - no mods.
Etc, etc, etc.Last edited by DonHB; 02-03-18 at 09:29 AM.
Bbnivende likes this.02-03-18 09:12 AMLike 1 -
You think Netflix didn't bother taking two minutes to port its app in early 2013 because they peered into the future and determined the Android Runtime was not going to get KitKat in 2015?02-03-18 09:18 AMLike 0 - they also smartly ended development on BB10 at 10.3 when they discovered that it was a lost cause that no one was buying and pivoted the company into what it is today. Which is the smartest thing that BB has done over the last 10 years.Dunt Dunt Dunt likes this.02-03-18 09:23 AMLike 1
- That wasn't a problem (or a foreseen issue) until late 2015 - long after making any difference to developers in 2013/2014.
You think Netflix didn't bother taking two minutes to port its app in early 2013 because they peered into the future and determined the Android Runtime was not going to get KitKat in 2015?
Developers did not want to produce a second code base for a platform from a company with a questionable future. That Android on BB10 did not support Flow suggested support for Android was a stop gap measure to get apps and could be deprecated at any time. It was with 10.3.
And it was deprecated to the point that BlackBerry did not bother to support the last version paired with Dalvik: Kit Kat.02-03-18 09:45 AMLike 0 - No.
Developers did not want to produce a second code base for a platform from a company with a questionable future. That Android on BB10 did not support Flow suggested support for Android was a stop gap measure to get apps and could be deprecated at any time. It was with 10.3.
And they did not bother to support the last version paired with Dalvik--Kit Kat.
BB10 had a questionable future regardless of its design.
In 2013, developers didn't need another code base for BB10. Many Android apps worked straight up as is without any required modification.02-03-18 09:48 AMLike 0 -
Why then would the likes of Netflix support Android on BB10? They did support Android on Amazon devices and ultimately removed support for BB10 from Amazon's app store.
Can you name any company in the league of Netflix that submitted Android apps to BlackBerry World? I think that Waze was submitted to BBW before it was purchased by Google, but it was removed afterward. It is still available from Amazon, but it was never updated on Amazon's app store
Edit: Just wanted to add that Waze did not use the Android UI either. So, Waze was actually an exception to the above premise because neither the Android UI nor Flow was used and it took the UI approach of games on all platforms.Last edited by DonHB; 02-03-18 at 11:16 AM.
02-03-18 10:46 AMLike 0 - But any Android app did not feel like a BB10 app. Android, therefore, was a second class development solution for BB10 producing what would appear to any device owner to be lower quality apps.
Why then would the likes of Netflix support Android on BB10? They did support Android on Amazon devices and ultimately removed support for BB10 from Amazon's app store.
Can you name any company in the league of Netflix that submitted Android apps to BlackBerry World? I think that Waze was submitted to BBW before it was purchased by Google, but it was removed afterward. It is still available from Amazon, but it was never updated on Amazon's app store.
The fact that few of them did does not point to anything else other than the fact that they weren't interested in a 3rd platform. Period.
The only reason some developers removed BB10 access to Amazon apps was that some dumb dumb users complained about nonsense issues. By that point the non-Google Android idea was long dead anyway.
The whole BB10 Android Runtime was actuality quite brilliant. Allow developers a low-cost, low-risk avenue to bring their already working apps to the platform. If BB10 had taken off, they could have then invested in native apps. BlackBerry already knew that developers' desire for a 3rd platform was almost nil - or if they didn't, they found out quickly.
By the summer of 2013 it was crystal clear.Last edited by conite; 02-03-18 at 11:21 AM.
02-03-18 11:09 AMLike 0 - Android on BB10 was most definitely a stop-gap measure. It was never intended to be a real solution. I think we all knew that at the time. That's why the runtime was locked, and any android app you wanted had to be converted into a bar wrapper and side-loaded with the phone in developer mode.
BlackBerry hoped that they could get enough developers on board once they "see the advantage of the BB10 OS".
Yes, some developers did jump in (the USA Today app already had an interface that was similar to Cascades). At first doing their own conversions. But as time went on, they were abandoned.
BlackBerry's next gasp was to unlock the runtime and let apks install directly without the bar wrapper and without developer mode side-loading. That's when the Amazon App Store was added.
I don't who ticked off Netflix, maybe someone's wife was slept with, but Netflix made a conscious effort to have Amazon block all BB10 phones from their app several months after that. Something about that just seemed so petty, because no one else did that.
Either way, that tells you something about the environment that BlackBerry had to deal with.
I think there were a lot of backroom deals going back to the BBOS days that went sour over time, and that baggage hurts a company in the long run.02-03-18 11:12 AMLike 0 - If they aren't going to take 2 minutes to port an already existing, working app, they are far, far, far, far less likely to code something from scratch given the uncertainties involved with a new platform.
The fact that few of them did does not point to anything else other than the fact that they weren't interested in a 3rd platform. Period.
The only reason some developers removed BB10 access to Amazon apps was that some dumb dumb users complained about nonsense issues. By that point the non-Google Android idea was long dead anyway.
But, judging from the above post it was an issue.02-03-18 11:21 AMLike 0 - Asking developers to do even more work would have made things infinitely worse. Of that there is little doubt.02-03-18 11:24 AMLike 0
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Either way, with zero effort they wouldn't come, so with >=zero effort, they wouldn't have come either.02-03-18 01:01 PMLike 0 -
Android as implemented did not provide apps that conform to the Flow UX requirements.
So, either developers needed to create a new code base or sell a compromised product.
Many therefore decided not to bother.02-03-18 02:49 PMLike 0 -
More than half the apps in BlackBerry World were Android ports.02-03-18 03:06 PMLike 0
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