1. Phillip st's Avatar
    Hey,

    So what's the final word on blackberry protect?

    Enable? Or keep off?

    Thanks
    Last edited by Phillip st; 08-09-20 at 11:39 AM.
    08-09-20 10:25 AM
  2. conite's Avatar
    Hey,

    So what's the final work on blackberry protect?

    Enable? Or keep off?

    Thanks
    If it's important to you, it's probably worth the risk that it suddenly breaks one day.
    08-09-20 10:50 AM
  3. Phillip st's Avatar
    whats the risk if it suddenly breaks one day? so someone steals the phone, and I am unable to track it? or no one steals the phone, I have protect enabled, it breaks, and does not allow me to re-format or.....?

    Thanks for your help as always.

    slowly collecting BlackBerry qwerty's (maybe frame them one day like another user did)
    08-09-20 11:29 AM
  4. conite's Avatar
    whats the risk if it suddenly breaks one day? so someone steals the phone, and I am unable to track it? or no one steals the phone, I have protect enabled, it breaks, and does not allow me to re-format or.....?

    Thanks for your help as always.

    slowly collecting BlackBerry qwerty's (maybe frame them one day like another user did)
    When the BBID infrastructure went down briefly a couple of times last year, people couldn't get past the setup screen after wiping their devices or reloading their OS. That is the danger. One also needs the infrastructure in order to disable Protect - so it would be a catch-22.

    Tangential, but noteworthy: without BBID, backups made with Link/Sachesi/DBBT become useless.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    08-09-20 11:36 AM
  5. Phillip st's Avatar
    won't blackberry mobile or limited notify us of a potential issue? like they did with BlackBerry world?
    08-09-20 02:04 PM
  6. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    won't blackberry mobile or limited notify us of a potential issue? like they did with BlackBerry world?
    Seriously?!? I doubt it.....
    08-09-20 02:08 PM
  7. conite's Avatar
    won't blackberry mobile or limited notify us of a potential issue? like they did with BlackBerry world?
    If it's simply being retired, maybe.

    But the more likely event is that something breaks and they decide not to fix it.
    08-09-20 03:36 PM
  8. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    won't blackberry mobile or limited notify us of a potential issue? like they did with BlackBerry world?
    BB has a history of late or no announcements of stuff breaking. Don't expect any advanced notice. The entire platform is now OFFICIALLY beyond End Of Life, so you are using it completely at your own risk, and BB has no obligation to make any further announcements - though if they KNOW in advance that something will change, they may do so anyway.

    As conite said, the more likely scenario is that something breaks and they decide it isn't worth the hassle or cost to fix.
    John Albert likes this.
    08-09-20 11:28 PM
  9. John Albert's Avatar
    BB has a history of late or no announcements of stuff breaking. Don't expect any advanced notice. The entire platform is now OFFICIALLY beyond End Of Life, so you are using it completely at your own risk, and BB has no obligation to make any further announcements - though if they KNOW in advance that something will change, they may do so anyway.

    As conite said, the more likely scenario is that something breaks and they decide it isn't worth the hassle or cost to fix.
    Any idea of how many active BB10 and BBOS users right now?
    08-10-20 12:46 AM
  10. conite's Avatar
    Any idea of how many active BB10 and BBOS users right now?
    Personally, my 90% confidence interval is between 100k and 200k of each - ignoring everyone that still has active devices they play with.
    rarsen likes this.
    08-10-20 06:58 AM
  11. Phillip st's Avatar
    100k sounds like enough people worthy of a 'hello, we will be shutting down blackberry protect on xx.xx.xx - get your **** together before then'
    08-10-20 10:55 AM
  12. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    100k sounds like enough people worthy of a 'hello, we will be shutting down blackberry protect on xx.xx.xx - get your **** together before then'
    Again... that's if BlackBerry decides to make the decision first. But if something goes bad - certificates expire or something else crashes or corrupts it - and shuts it down first...



    My view is keep you dated backed up in an open format... or better synced. Hope for the best, but be ready for the worst.
    08-10-20 11:40 AM
  13. conite's Avatar
    100k sounds like enough people worthy of a 'hello, we will be shutting down blackberry protect on xx.xx.xx - get your **** together before then'
    None of those customers generate revenue. As a matter of fact, they only cost BlackBerry money.
    08-10-20 12:37 PM
  14. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Keep in mind too that all BBOS and likely all BB10 devices in the US are going to be obsoleted by cellular network changes within the next 6 months or so. BBOS is certainly going to be unusable with 3G networks gone, but if, as seems almost certain, that VoLTE won't be supported on BB10 phones, they won't be able to make or receive calls.

    Those events will likely reduce the number of active devices by half or more, which in turn makes it easier to justify ending services to support them.
    08-10-20 12:41 PM
  15. Phillip st's Avatar
    oh man....so much bad news!! Still hearing blackberry ringtones in Toronto though...
    08-10-20 01:44 PM
  16. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    oh man....so much bad news!! Still hearing blackberry ringtones in Toronto though...
    It's not like this progression is any surprise - we've seen it happen several times before and it's very predictable.

    WebOS had some rabidly hardcore fans who were deeply committed to keeping it alive - but how many active WebOS devices are there? How many WinPhones? How many Symbian phones? Each platform had die-hard fans, but even they eventually moved on - and a LOT of them regretted not having moved on much earlier, once they realized just how much they'd been missing out on by clinging to their old platform. That's not everyone of course - a few people have a use case that BB10 solves better than anything else and other things are a low priority for them, but such people are few and far between.
    08-10-20 05:05 PM
  17. Phillip st's Avatar
    It's not like this progression is any surprise - we've seen it happen several times before and it's very predictable.

    WebOS had some rabidly hardcore fans who were deeply committed to keeping it alive - but how many active WebOS devices are there? How many WinPhones? How many Symbian phones? Each platform had die-hard fans, but even they eventually moved on - and a LOT of them regretted not having moved on much earlier, once they realized just how much they'd been missing out on by clinging to their old platform. That's not everyone of course - a few people have a use case that BB10 solves better than anything else and other things are a low priority for them, but such people are few and far between.
    Yeah I hear you....

    Hopefully there will always be a non-android qwerty available for the very few users who can't txt on a slab.

    Email, talk, txt/mms, WhatsApp/viber (for international calls), camera, calender, calculator, and basic web browsing - those are the basics for 2020 + a few more years ......just send this out into the universe (and BlackBerry mobile/limited)
    08-10-20 05:12 PM
  18. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Yeah I hear you....

    Hopefully there will always be a non-android qwerty available for the very few users who can't txt on a slab.

    Email, talk, txt/mms, WhatsApp/viber (for international calls), camera, calender, calculator, and basic web browsing - those are the basics for 2020 + a few more years ......just send this out into the universe (and BlackBerry mobile/limited)
    Doubt it as even PKB on KaiOS didn’t seem to do well.
    08-11-20 07:23 AM
  19. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Doubt it as even PKB on KaiOS didn’t seem to do well.
    Well it was a pretty cheap PKB....

    But that's the real problem, not all PKB lovers want the same thing.... no single PKB device is going to fill the needs of all or the price point they'd be willing to buy for. Many today that love the Passport, only as a $150 or $200 phone....
    08-11-20 08:59 AM

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