- On 2 & 3 we're in complete agreement, but on 1 I'll give you a productive, subjective example. You just had an incredible interview for a highly sought after job. It's something you've dreamed of. Do you knock out a quick email of thanks, which takes all of one minute on your Passport, or put pen to paper, stuff it in an envelope, lick a stamp and mail that baby out? Of course the person you send it to may or may not appreciate the hand written note more, and they may make a decision before receiving it. It's all subjective which is more productive.
Point taken. I concede.
Sent from my awesome BlackBerry Passport12-21-16 11:54 PMLike 0 - 12-21-16 11:57 PMLike 6
- On 2 & 3 we're in complete agreement, but on 1 I'll give you a productive, subjective example. You just had an incredible interview for a highly sought after job. It's something you've dreamed of. Do you knock out a quick email of thanks, which takes all of one minute on your Passport, or put pen to paper, stuff it in an envelope, lick a stamp and mail that baby out? Of course the person you send it to may or may not appreciate the hand written note more, and they may make a decision before receiving it. It's all subjective which is more productive.
These are two methods of doing the job, while we're talking about doing the job the same way for more optimised time and effort - like shooting an email with 35 attachments on bb10 and ios. We can all bet that doing that simple task/simple for bb10 / will be way much more productive using a bb10 device.
Posted via CB10BigBadWulf likes this.12-22-16 02:55 AMLike 1 - Tre LawrenceBetween Realities-Let's take the cheapest BB10 device: a Q5, in this review it says "callers sound clear & detailed"
-Let's take the Classic, in this review it says "Not only did the calls sound extremely clear, but people on the other end said I sounded like I was calling from a landline."
-Let's take the Passport, in this review it says that "call quality is INSANE"
so yeah...I believe call quality is superior with BlackBerryMecca EL and nabeel-bb-user like this.12-22-16 03:55 AMLike 2 - -Let's take the cheapest BB10 device: a Q5, in this review it says "callers sound clear & detailed"
-Let's take the Classic, in this review it says "Not only did the calls sound extremely clear, but people on the other end said I sounded like I was calling from a landline."
-Let's take the Passport, in this review it says that "call quality is INSANE"
so yeah...I believe call quality is superior with BlackBerry
Sent from my awesome BlackBerry Passport12-22-16 04:44 AMLike 3 - Let's get down to the nitty-gritty: Your phone is to communicate.
Now here's the challenge: try to prove how you can communicate more efficiently with an iPhone/Android/Windows phone VS a BlackBerry and you win!
BlackBerry is already recognized for EXCELLENT call quality and that's not my opinion but a FACT
Besides talking on the phone, I believe you communicate through text/e-mails/video chat
Sending texts and e-mails with a BlackBerry has never been an issue AFAIK
Wanna video chat? BBM is waiting for you with open armsLast edited by BlackBerry of Doom; 12-22-16 at 05:49 AM.
12-22-16 04:59 AMLike 0 - -Let's take the cheapest BB10 device: a Q5, in this review it says "callers sound clear & detailed"
-Let's take the Classic, in this review it says "Not only did the calls sound extremely clear, but people on the other end said I sounded like I was calling from a landline."
-Let's take the Passport, in this review it says that "call quality is INSANE"
so yeah...I believe call quality is superior with BlackBerry
So yeah, believe all you want, you still haven't proven your case.
Let's get down to the nitty-gritty: Your phone is to communicate.
Now here's the challenge: try to prove how you can communicate more efficiently with an iPhone/Android/Windows phone VS a BlackBerry and you win!
BlackBerry is already recognized for EXCELLENT call quality and that's not my opinion but a FACT
All the platforms can do these things. In fact, video chat is easier and better on other platforms.jaydee5799 and BigBadWulf like this.12-22-16 07:19 AMLike 2 - 2. You're reading way too much into this. If we need a dictionary to define what's subjective vs. Objective we've already lost. It takes me 1 minute to go from taking a picture on my Android phone to being able to see and edit it on my laptop (Google Photos) vs. 15+ minutes on my Passport (auto upload to MEGA because Dropbox and OneDrive don't autoupload reliably from the Passport), then upload from MEGA to GooglePhotos. -This IS NOT productive.12-22-16 07:20 AMLike 3
- Let's get down to the nitty-gritty: Your phone is to communicate.
Now here's the challenge: try to prove how you can communicate more efficiently with an iPhone/Android/Windows phone VS a BlackBerry and you win!
BlackBerry is already recognized for EXCELLENT call quality and that's not my opinion but a FACT
Besides talking on the phone, I believe you communicate through text/e-mails/video chat
Sending texts and e-mails with a BlackBerry has never been an issue AFAIK
Wanna video chat? BBM is waiting for you with open arms12-22-16 07:20 AMLike 4 - Let's get down to the nitty-gritty: Your phone is to communicate.
Now here's the challenge: try to prove how you can communicate more efficiently with an iPhone/Android/Windows phone VS a BlackBerry and you win!
BlackBerry is already recognized for EXCELLENT call quality and that's not my opinion but a FACT
Besides talking on the phone, I believe you communicate through text/e-mails/video chat
Sending texts and e-mails with a BlackBerry has never been an issue AFAIK
Wanna video chat? BBM is waiting for you with open arms
Sending texts and emails... I have an Android, and have found no issues sending emails with attachments. My wife has an iPhone and sends out emails all the time... with no complaints. Ten years ago BlackBerry had an edge, be we aren't living in the past are we? Besides, most of us today that need to add 35 attachments to an email... will use dropbox.
Sorry but today all Android and BlackBerry hardware is the same.... sadly for the last year so is the software. I just don't believe that BlackBerry has the same "call quality" advantage they once had. My new Droid works in a number of places my Z10 use to drop calls.....12-22-16 07:35 AMLike 4 - Alright let's say all phones are equal in terms of call quality
What is left to communicate?Texts/E-mails/Video Chat
Let's say Hangouts & Facetime are as good as BBM for video chats even if people used to love imo and now use WhatsApp for this...
What is left? Texts & E-mails
Now let's talk. Is it subjective or is it a fact when BlackBerry claims that your typing is 4 times more accurate on a physical keyboard? How did they measure that?
Here's a new challenge: name me a competitor that do better physical keyboards than BlackBerryLast edited by BlackBerry of Doom; 12-22-16 at 08:04 AM.
12-22-16 07:54 AMLike 0 -
Actually "landline quality" sets the bar fairly low.
The public switched telephone network has a frequency response of ~3.5kHz using G711.
Many/most smartphones are now capable of and designed for frequency response far beyond "landline quality".
Here is a test to try.
Using your BB10 smartphone call your friend's BB10 smartphone via the PSTN.
Have a conversation and note the quality.
Call them back using BBM
Have a conversation and note the quality.
Your smartphone can't make the PSTN better.
I believe I have just refuted the core tenant of your argument.
Do you agree?
If not, what don't you agree with?12-22-16 08:06 AMLike 0 - Actually "landline quality" sets the bar fairly low.
The public switched telephone network has a frequency response of ~3.5kHz using G711.
Many/most smartphones are now capable of and designed for frequency response far beyond "landline quality".
Here is a test to try.
Using your BB10 smartphone call your friend's BB10 smartphone via the PSTN.
Have a conversation and note the quality.
Call them back using BBM
Have a conversation and note the quality.
Your smartphone can't make the PSTN better.
I believe I have just refuted the core tenant of your argument.
Do you agree?
If not, what don't you agree with?DrBoomBotz likes this.12-22-16 08:11 AMLike 1 - Alright let's say all phones are equal in terms of call quality
What is left to communicate?Texts/E-mails/Video Chat
Let's say Hangouts & Facetime are as good as BBM for video chats even if people used to love imo and now use WhatsApp for this...
What is left? Texts & E-mails
Now let's talk. Is it subjective or is it a fact when BlackBerry claims that your typing is 4 times more accurate on a physical keyboard? How did they measure that?
So being productive on your smartphone is not just how quickly you can type a message, attach a photo, and sent it. It's being able to do the things that eveyone wants and needs to do on a smartphone in the 21st century. I really could care less if I can attach a document in 1 step or 5. But I DO care that my baby photos I just took are reliably backed up and available on my laptop momentarily without having to connect the phone to it.
Maybe there are people out there that just want the best e-mail and text message machine you can buy, but I require more. I want the Smart part of the smartphone. I love my Passport. But it limits me, or slows me down, in what I can do as compared to my Android phone (which is a low-end, $100 Moto G). Am I gonna stop using my Passport? No, I like the hardware, the OS, and the screen size - But in many areas I pay a price for continuing to use it.Last edited by jefbeard911; 12-22-16 at 08:24 AM.
BigBadWulf and Troy Tiscareno like this.12-22-16 08:13 AMLike 2 - Originally Posted by jefbeard911So being productive on your smartphone is not just how quickly you can type a message, attach a photo, and sent it. It's being able to do the things that eveyone wants and needs to do on a smartphone in the 21st century.
I'm a classic man
jefbeard911 likes this.12-22-16 08:19 AMLike 1 - I'm still shocked when I see all the things the smartphone replaced. Maybe I'm too old but yeah I primarily use my BlackBerry Classic to communicate and not to replace all these:
Something else is pressing my heart. It's easier than ever to communicate with people nowadays but people aren't necessarily getting closer to each others12-22-16 08:38 AMLike 0 -
And you punted the burden of proof.
I concede that they own the physical keyboard market, tiny as it is.BigBadWulf likes this.12-22-16 08:43 AMLike 1 -
Sending texts and emails... I have an Android, and have found no issues sending emails with attachments. My wife has an iPhone and sends out emails all the time... with no complaints. Ten years ago BlackBerry had an edge, be we aren't living in the past are we? Besides, most of us today that need to add 35 attachments to an email... will use dropbox.
Sorry but today all Android and BlackBerry hardware is the same.... sadly for the last year so is the software. I just don't believe that BlackBerry has the same "call quality" advantage they once had. My new Droid works in a number of places my Z10 use to drop calls.....
Posted via CB1012-22-16 08:55 AMLike 0 -
FYI... built-in functions slow down the phone's performance too. Why do you think BB10 needs 2GB of RAM to even function? If only BBM and the RUNTIME were optional components....
I don't know the whole story here, but normally giving a personal case as an example is not always an obvious fact. What is a fact that you can't attach multiple attachments, you can't get your email organised properly, cause the phone is mixing all the replies and new messages up, for instance you got an email and reply to it, then you have a reply from the other side, you end up with you reply quoted twice for some hanky reason. Now imagine if you have long conversation with that client/customer/mate. You end up with a mess... The option is to switch of combining same messages in a tread but then it will be a nightmare scrolling down all these emails.
Didn't change carrier's, just phones. Whatever the reason, my DROID doesn't drop calls in a couple of spots on my commute to work... where my Z10 sometimes would. I think that the key is that I'm using a three year newer device with better hardware. That seems to be able to stay connected to LTE much better. Maybe if BlackBerry had actually made an updated phone... it would have improved upon my Z10 (Q5, Q10, Classic and LEAPs) capabilities too. (might be a difference in CDMA and GSM... but I need Verizon's coverage, so it really doesn't matter to me - especially as LTE is the future)12-22-16 10:03 AMLike 6 - You're making that same assumption that Blackberry did as they saw their market share go from 20% to <1% - and that is a phone is only to communicate. It is not. It's for a hundred other things now as well. It's called a smartphone for a reason. People use it to take photos & they expect those photos to turn out nice and be automatically backed up to a cloud service, they write notes to themselves, play games, watch movies, listen to music. Apple saw this coming and its why the iphone did so well and Blackberry did not. Blackberry wanted to continue to make the best e-mail machine on the planet, and they did. But the world have moved on.
How iPhone became so popular (really only in the U.S. and a few select markets elsewhere) is long-winded for this thread. To keep it brief, Apple made it real easy for anyone, literally anyone, to build apps for iOS--which was something they have been doing with OSX for a few years prior. That is, they were shipping developer tools, XCode for free with each copy of OSX then for awhile the developer tools for iOS where also included. Now, both are free downloads. What is also free is their entire library of documentation, tutorials, etc. To understand what I am getting at, there are two (actually more) separate types of Apple fan (Mac only, iOS only, Apple everything, etc.) but I say two because there are those who are more hardcore in the sense they hangout on Apple's own "support forums", and there are those who hang out at iMore. Severely two different types of fan. Those on the official Apple forums are more akin to what you'd find over at XDA: hobbyist, tinkerers, those who actually use Terminal, those who actually take the time to find work-arounds, and those who find bugs and offer solutions to Apple. Those on iMore just wanna look cool and find an app for that.
Anyways, point being that back in the day, when Macs were still on RISC, Apple relied heavily on these hobbyist coders to build apps for a platform that was largely ignored by mainstream devs outside of Adobe and Microsoft. Apple had continued with this strategy for iOS and it paid off, big time. Android/Google did the same thing. Not did BlackBerry not do this, they also made it difficult for those who wanted to dev apps for them. Go figure. It should also be noted that Apple makes their money through iTunes and App Store, not necessarily through iPhones and iPads and those one or iPods that some still buy. They definitely make no money from sales of Apple TV or the iWatch and Macs in general bring in little money, too. That is exactly why these products cost so much (namely Macs). Early on, Apple opened iTunes to Windows users. Also, when iPhone was a three-year AT&T exclusive here in the U.S., they introduced the iPad Touch--an iPhone without telephony. That's brilliance, if you asked me, and another tactic that had obvious pay-backs for Apple.
My guess is that as long as BlackBerry continues to license their "phones", as long as they continue to build a mobile OS and other smartphone solutions, their focus will remain with enterprise/Government/the professional and as such, will continue to flaunt productivity.
By the way, Microsoft advertised WinPhone was a productivity tool, too. Interesting that two smartphone manufacturers that went this route are the two with lowest sales. To Microsoft's credit, they had assumed incorrectly that those who are on Windows PCs at work and home would naturally want to use a phone of the same ecosystem, but it was logical assumption to have made. Now, they are aiming to advertise WinPhone (likely Surface Phone) as a device for work and play. The productivity angle did not sell (as it also did not for BlackBerry) and now they are going to market it as an entertainment device as well? Doesn't matter, though, because a Surface Phone is likely going to be a big seller, at least here in the U.S.
So being productive on your smartphone is not just how quickly you can type a message, attach a photo, and sent it. It's being able to do the things that eveyone wants and needs to do on a smartphone in the 21st century. I really could care less if I can attach a document in 1 step or 5. But I DO care that my baby photos I just took are reliably backed up and available on my laptop momentarily without having to connect the phone to it.
For me, the productivity of BB10 is found in not only how easy it is to read, edit, and send documents (including PDFs), but in also how this (and others) is baked into the OS. In short, there's no need for third party apps. Once again this is proof that BlackBerrys are not meant for consumers.
Maybe there are people out there that just want the best e-mail and text message machine you can buy, but I require more. I want the Smart part of the smartphone. I love my Passport. But it limits me, or slows me down, in what I can do as compared to my Android phone (which is a low-end, $100 Moto G). Am I gonna stop using my Passport? No, I like the hardware, the OS, and the screen size - But in many areas I pay a price for continuing to use it.
With all the new features now in iOS, I know I could go there and be just as productive. Same with WinPhone. Same with a Classic. I don't think BlackBerry's claim to productivity is a myth if you view it from the confines of their intended users.12-22-16 10:26 AMLike 4 - 12-22-16 10:41 AMLike 2
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I was using an iPhone 6s, that's from. And I've read every possible tread on Internet, without a third party app.
Posted via CB1012-22-16 11:41 AMLike 0 -
- Alright let's say all phones are equal in terms of call quality
What is left to communicate?Texts/E-mails/Video Chat
Let's say Hangouts & Facetime are as good as BBM for video chats even if people used to love imo and now use WhatsApp for this...
What is left? Texts & E-mails
Now let's talk. Is it subjective or is it a fact when BlackBerry claims that your typing is 4 times more accurate on a physical keyboard? How did they measure that?
Here's a new challenge: name me a competitor that do better physical keyboards than BlackBerry12-22-16 12:34 PMLike 0 - It's like sex without a condom
Of course there's haptic force-feedback for VKBs but it's just not the same as the real thing
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