- My takeaway from the OP... Many users seem to expect their 2 to 3 year old devices to perform the same and today's... Two years in technology is a lifetime. I have a first generation IPad ( Have not and will not see an update ever ) ... I do not expect it to work as well as a 3rd gen. For those who have these issues... many have to do with the configuration before the OS update. Had same issue on my Iphone 6 going from different versions of my Apple OS... had to security wipe it as not matter what I did after the update I could get no wifi or LTE Signal.... My solution for the OP would be to back up the device. Do security wipe. Update your OS... Test it before restoring to see if you base OS solves some of your issues. ie. phone call connections etc. if it does do a restore and if the issues pop up it is in your restore files. Problem with "fixing" OS issue is that most do not have the issue so what is to fix. Unlike Apple (attenna gate ) comes to mind. BB had a screen issue reported on the z30 and promptly gave warranty to those with issues. I use Apple as examples as so many seem to make their device issues on some devices... a BB problem.. Sometimes they are.... but many times it is the infamous "end user' error.... Sorry the OP is having these issues. but all devices have end of life and maybe the OP's is there albeit a bit sooner than the OP would like.. this coming from a Shiny Iphone 6 users who blew thew 3 phone in one month that just did not work. OS updates that cut off my phone service for almost a week. Of course the Apple store told me it was not the OS update.....When dealing with technology expect and plan for issues... if you expect smooth sailing on any tech then expect disappointment....04-15-15 11:05 AMLike 5
- Seems some people got super charged BlackBerry smartphones with OS 11 that they did not have a single issue I have mentioned.
Why I complaint is coz there is lot of mis selling that BlackBerry is doing in terms of android app support and without acknowledging the real issues.
And if according to you guys it is just so perfect then why it is not selling? Just price. I don't think so.
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A business user would have responded:
"It seems some people have updated their BlackBerry smartphones, and thus are not experiencing a single issue I have mentioned.
The reason for my concerns is because I feel that BlackBerry is misleading their end users in terms of android app support and without acknowledging the real issues I have previously outlined.
That being said, according to you forum members, if it is just so perfect, then why is it not selling well? Just price. In my opinion, I don't think so. "
In response to yours -
We don't 'got' super charged androids, we HAVE a BlackBerry. 'Lot' is said about Android, however A LOT is said and already known about the Z10's shortcomings, being it their very first BlackBerry 10 OS Phone. Coz android runs their apps better is BECAUSE it's a full android OS. BlackBerry 10 has a runtime and must remap android functions to their BlackBerry equivalent.
If you want to go back to the first Android or first iPhone for that matter and judge them against the Z10 being the first BlackBerry 10 OS device available to the general public, then you'll have a fair comparative. Try your android apps on a Z30 or Passport with the latest update to 10.3.1 and you'll have a leg to stand on. If after having done this, and you're still not satisfied then I can only suggest buy the latest Samsung and be a happier smartphone user.
Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.2558BionicKris and ppeters914 like this.04-15-15 11:38 AMLike 2 - My takeaway from the OP... Many users seem to expect their 2 to 3 year old devices to perform the same and today's... Two years in technology is a lifetime. I have a first generation IPad ( Have not and will not see an update ever ) ... I do not expect it to work as well as a 3rd gen. For those who have these issues... many have to do with the configuration before the OS update. Had same issue on my Iphone 6 going from different versions of my Apple OS... had to security wipe it as not matter what I did after the update I could get no wifi or LTE Signal.... My solution for the OP would be to back up the device. Do security wipe. Update your OS... Test it before restoring to see if you base OS solves some of your issues. ie. phone call connections etc. if it does do a restore and if the issues pop up it is in your restore files. Problem with "fixing" OS issue is that most do not have the issue so what is to fix. Unlike Apple (attenna gate ) comes to mind. BB had a screen issue reported on the z30 and promptly gave warranty to those with issues. I use Apple as examples as so many seem to make their device issues on some devices... a BB problem.. Sometimes they are.... but many times it is the infamous "end user' error.... Sorry the OP is having these issues. but all devices have end of life and maybe the OP's is there albeit a bit sooner than the OP would like.. this coming from a Shiny Iphone 6 users who blew thew 3 phone in one month that just did not work. OS updates that cut off my phone service for almost a week. Of course the Apple store told me it was not the OS update.....When dealing with technology expect and plan for issues... if you expect smooth sailing on any tech then expect disappointment....
Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.2558Carjackd likes this.04-15-15 11:40 AMLike 1 - My takeaway from the OP... Many users seem to expect their 2 to 3 year old devices to perform the same and today's... Two years in technology is a lifetime. I have a first generation IPad ( Have not and will not see an update ever ) ... I do not expect it to work as well as a 3rd gen. For those who have these issues... many have to do with the configuration before the OS update. Had same issue on my Iphone 6 going from different versions of my Apple OS... had to security wipe it as not matter what I did after the update I could get no wifi or LTE Signal.... My solution for the OP would be to back up the device. Do security wipe. Update your OS... Test it before restoring to see if you base OS solves some of your issues. ie. phone call connections etc. if it does do a restore and if the issues pop up it is in your restore files. Problem with "fixing" OS issue is that most do not have the issue so what is to fix. Unlike Apple (attenna gate ) comes to mind. BB had a screen issue reported on the z30 and promptly gave warranty to those with issues. I use Apple as examples as so many seem to make their device issues on some devices... a BB problem.. Sometimes they are.... but many times it is the infamous "end user' error.... Sorry the OP is having these issues. but all devices have end of life and maybe the OP's is there albeit a bit sooner than the OP would like.. this coming from a Shiny Iphone 6 users who blew thew 3 phone in one month that just did not work. OS updates that cut off my phone service for almost a week. Of course the Apple store told me it was not the OS update.....When dealing with technology expect and plan for issues... if you expect smooth sailing on any tech then expect disappointment....
But there you go...now you have some guidance...it's all out there in the forums! Dbmalloy (this member) has given you the coles notes. A member like a few here that have spent time reading the forums. So I believe he has given you some valuable information and I would take advantage of it.
Posted via my Canadian Passportjafobabe and GreenCopperz like this.04-15-15 11:43 AMLike 2 -
Posted via my Canadian Passportjafobabe likes this.04-15-15 11:47 AMLike 1 - My Z10 was the best phone I have ever had until I got my Passport. My Z10 had great battery life and still does. It never lagged on any app, native or not. Contacts, perfect on every official and leaked os. Wifi range was beyond what even my laptop ever got. LTE always, well cept for #DarkNL but you know, a province wide power outage for three days will do that. The onl thing that I ever had an issue was USB Connectivity which I ended up discovering was a problem with my laptop and out dated drivers. My Passport has exceeded everything my Z10 is.04-15-15 12:01 PMLike 2
- User error on most parts. For one th OP says that the android apps works fine on his android phones, and thinks they should work perfect on BlackBerry? Come on, please use common sense.
Posted via CB10Carjackd and DarkJoker33 like this.04-15-15 12:28 PMLike 2 - I did see a lot of this very detailed yet general and uninformed complains popping up in this forum.
BlackBerry is not perfect and 10.3.1 was for me a huge disappointment, but still I'm starting to think trolling is becoming more organized and focused against BB.
That said I agree Z10 battery was never on pair with Z30, but I still find it a perfectly usable device, also with Android apps. Of course if you want to use mostly Android app my suggestion is to buy Android phones.
Posted via CB1004-15-15 12:50 PMLike 0 - it's a hardware design flaw. They put a small battery in a phone with LTE, a bright screen a dual core processor etc.
I must confess though, it's kind of amusing to watch the nutso extremes whenever someone starts a "how is the Z10's battery" thread. :-)
Immediately will come the crazy exaggerations.
"I don't know what you're talking about ... mine goes for three days!!!"
"The Z10 has the worst phone battery of any phone ever invented!!! it goes for like 45 minutes and then dies!!!"
LOL
Battery is not the Z10's strong suit by any stretch, IMO. I've never been able to get it to go as long as the fans say, but I've also never really drained it as fast as the naysayers say either. It's a little behind my iPhone 6, but in that range typically, under the same conditions.BionicKris and p1800nut like this.04-15-15 12:56 PMLike 2 - it's a hardware design flaw. They put a small battery in a phone with LTE, a bright screen a dual core processor etc.
I must confess though, it's kind of amusing to watch the nutso extremes whenever someone starts a "how is the Z10's battery" thread. :-)
Immediately will come the crazy exaggerations.
"I don't know what you're talking about ... mine goes for three days!!!"
"The Z10 has the worst phone battery of any phone ever invented!!! it goes for like 45 minutes and then dies!!!"
LOL
Battery is not the Z10's strong suit by any stretch, IMO. I've never been able to get it to go as long as the fans say, but I've also never really drained it as fast as the naysayers say either. It's a little behind my iPhone 6, but in that range typically, under the same conditions.
That's what you get for a beautiful, high-dpi lcd screen and LTE. It's all a trade off.
Z30STA100-5/10.3.2.281Carjackd likes this.04-15-15 01:28 PMLike 1 - Two choices to make.
- Still love BlackBerry 10? Get Z30 that is available in very affordable price now to cure some of the complaints against Z10, in particular the well-known battery shame.
- No longer love BlackBerry 10? Get one of the many Android handsets on the market and relegate your Z10 as backup phone (helps with the battery) or ditch BlackBerry 10 altogether.
Your choice.highos likes this.04-15-15 02:41 PMLike 1 - The OS has come a loooong way since the early days of 10.0.1. But it definitely still needs some polishing.
- keyboard. It some times become so heavy that swiping words feels laggy. Also predictions are no more that good. They seem to some time correct a right word with wrong
- Camera shots especially during low light and dark conditions are terrible. Be it any device.
- search assistant is so slow to open and respond. Missing old search functionality.
- browser is just so heavy and is not designed as cascades.
- Brightness at low level does not feel that bright which BlackBerry used to give
- headless functions are not working well. Ask any developer. It is just so a task. One of the reasons developers are not making apps.
- how to use active frames actually still quite unclear.
- more email functions. Just imagine can't even mark a mail as junk and no option to edit the signature the wat we want.
I hope in 10.3.2 they address these issues. They have been brought up by quite a few folks and not just a couple here and there.lift likes this.04-15-15 02:42 PMLike 1 - I don't have time to go into all the details but the OP has made some valid points that I have also experienced with my BlackBerry devices.
The radio issue is the one that bothers me the most. It seems like 10.0 had excellent reception. 10.1 was slightly worse. 10.2 even a little worse. 10.3 a little worse. I have an old curve OS7 that on 3G has outstanding reception. I take a modern BlackBerry device running any version of 10.x and set it to 3G and the signal level does not even compare to the curve.
The double contacts and messed-up contacts has plagued every BlackBerry 10.2 device I have owned. At least 10.3 seems to have fixed that.
There's more but I'm too busy working right now to list them.04-15-15 02:55 PMLike 0 - What!! 2 Year old legacy device??
Okay, lets clear this up, I have me a Z10 and I have a series of popular android apps.
I average about 12-14Hrs per day with medium usage all professional business (no videos, or games).
While originally things were poor in terms of battery it has been vastly improved with updates and no heat issues. Currently on 10.3.1.2726 .
My findings for poor battery with android apps were some apps behaving badly, I simply removed them and that ended that issue.
Android on BBRY is a runtime not the OS and so it operates different. But I have tried the Classic, the Passport the Z30 and none impress me like my Z10 so I stick with it until BBRY comes up with something solid in the all touch department or I give up the ghost and move on.04-15-15 03:43 PMLike 3 - For me, FB hub integration is super buggy.
Not marking notifications as read when I do read all, not sometimes marking notification as read when I open it, etc.
Everything updated to latest official releases.
Also, I'd consider BBM not having "mark as read" function as a bug as well. It's super non-intuitive, since everything else in Hub has it.
And don't get me started about missing features/apps for combination of work/fun phone for people who want to use the phone for both things.
Posted via CB1004-15-15 04:47 PMLike 0 - It's not so much buggy, as it does work, but slow to react. If you click on a FB notification, you need to let it load fully before scrolling. If you scroll, read and quit, it'll still show as unread. It's definitely needs fixing, though.04-15-15 05:43 PMLike 0
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Also, I'd consider BBM not having "mark as read" function as a bug as well. It's super non-intuitive, since everything else in Hub has it.
What you talking about?
Course it marks it as read when it has been read and on my device it's instant.
Posted via CB10Carjackd likes this.04-15-15 05:49 PMLike 1 - This OP is a complaining troll, he has been here before with some of the same stories as now and never attempts to rectify any of his problems. People give him numerous resources and advice, all he does post half coherent long diatribes. Do yourself a favor buddy buy a new phone of your choice and just go away, cause you don't contribute anything to this forum that can be remotely considered helpful.04-15-15 06:11 PMLike 5
- This OP is a complaining troll, he has been here before with some of the same stories as now and never attempts to rectify any of his problems. People give him numerous resources and advice, all he does post half coherent long diatribes. Do yourself a favor buddy buy a new phone of your choice and just go away, cause you don't contribute anything to this forum that can be remotely considered helpful.habs_fan likes this.04-15-15 06:24 PMLike 1
- Seems some people got super charged BlackBerry smartphones with OS 11 that they did not have a single issue I have mentioned.
Why I complaint is coz there is lot of mis selling that BlackBerry is doing in terms of android app support and without acknowledging the real issues.
And if according to you guys it is just so perfect then why it is not selling? Just price. I don't think so.
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Second, you still have NOT told us what version of the OS you have on your Z10,(which I asked in post #3), that is causing you so many issues.
Care to let us know so we can direct you to a better OS??????Carjackd likes this.04-15-15 07:26 PMLike 1 - While I'm a BlackBerry fan but now that my disappointment is just increasing and increasing.
I find these below things quite annoying and wish BlackBerry to fix it asap,
- startup time... very very long. Once it loads up, hub loading and phone app loading takes a good time to get ready for use.
- Battery life sucks for Z10 especially if you have android apps. Don't tell me to blame android app or os coz it runs well on android phone that I have and also doesn't eat up that much battery
- Network - mobile goes for a toss like seen in attached pic. And real time switching between 3G and 2G is not great. Wifi range issue is known to.
- phone app so half baked and it just takes forever to connect or disconnect calls. Also it does not sync with contacts well . Also api needed for Truecaller. They are ready to make an app.
- contacts app - duplication, poor social integration and slow to load.
- keyboard. It some times become so heavy that swiping words feels laggy. Also predictions are no more that good. They seem to some time correct a right word with wrong
- Camera shots especially during low light and dark conditions are terrible. Be it any device.
- search assistant is so slow to open and respond. Missing old search functionality.
- browser is just so heavy and is not designed as cascades.
- Brightness at low level does not feel that bright which BlackBerry used to give
- headless functions are not working well. Ask any developer. It is just so a task. One of the reasons developers are not making apps.
- how to use active frames actually still quite unclear.
- more email functions. Just imagine can't even mark a mail as junk and no option to edit the signature the wat we want.
Probably they themselves can't see these or are just not wanting to fix them.
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Are you running an official BBOS release or are you running a dev release?04-15-15 08:16 PMLike 0 -
- Seems some people got super charged BlackBerry smartphones with OS 11 that they did not have a single issue I have mentioned.
Why I complaint is coz there is lot of mis selling that BlackBerry is doing in terms of android app support and without acknowledging the real issues.
And if according to you guys it is just so perfect then why it is not selling? Just price. I don't think so.
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